login info join!
Forums > Photography Talk > Pocketwizard Plus X, a sub $100 PW Search   Reply
12last
Photographer
Steve Young Photos
Posts: 537
Belleview, Florida, US


Just announced today, Pocketwizard will be releasing a simple (very simple) Pocketwizard Plus X. It has the Plus III internals, has 500 meter range, sync speed is Up to 1/250 for focal plane shutters, Up to 1/500 for leaf shutters.

Does it have all the fancy features of a plus III? No but also less cost.

More Info:
http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/tr … LUSX/spec/
Mar 01 13 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
-JAY-
Posts: 6,579
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Frequency:
FCC/IC: 344.04 MHz
CE: 433.62 MHz    

Reliable firing, especially up to 500 yards with 433?
Mar 01 13 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


-JAY- wrote:
Frequency:
FCC/IC: 344.04 MHz
CE: 433.62 MHz    

Reliable firing, especially up to 500 yards with 433?

if they test it here when my neighbours are not home, no problem.  if they test it after 5PM here they won't consistently get 2 yards.
to be fair, most people trying to trigger shit 100 yards away are not going to be near a source of interference.

Mar 01 13 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


also, to be fair, this is what they actually say. they dont claim reliable firing at 500 yards. they claim
"Up to 500 meters (1600 feet)
(Actual range is dependent on multiple factors including equipment, mode, environment, positioning, orientation and interference) "


clearly, they know my neighbours.  some times my wireless keyboard stops dead in its tracks
Mar 01 13 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,848
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Dumb triggers for $100??

Rip-off in these modern times. There are so many other lower cost options that have same reliability and range. PW should smarten up. These shouldn't be more than $50 and should come as a kit: 2 units with sync cables.
Mar 01 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,432
San Diego, California, US


Finally.
Mar 01 13 08:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Smedley Whiplash
Posts: 17,320
Billings, Montana, US


They have to get serious.  Look what the competition is creating:  ($69 for a pair of transceivers)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100m-PT-04-LCD- … 3977254%26

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/100m-PT-04-LCD-3in1-Speedlight-Studio-Radio-Flash-Trigger-Camera-Remote-Control-/00/s/NjAwWDYwMA==/$T2eC16NHJF8E9nnC6H3YBQSD8ROkCQ~~60_3.JPG
Mar 01 13 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,432
San Diego, California, US


^^^
Man! Where were those things when I was putting my kit together years ago?!
Mar 01 13 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,424
Salem, Oregon, US


i just got some calumet 2.4ghz triggers and they rock in ways my pws never did.
Mar 01 13 08:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Illuminate wrote:
Dumb triggers for $100??

Rip-off in these modern times. There are so many other lower cost options that have same reliability and range. PW should smarten up. These shouldn't be more than $50 and should come as a kit: 2 units with sync cables.

actually I think it makes good business sense. at that price point it can still appeal to those that listen to the "PWs worked for me for 10 years accept no substitute" riffs.  all without breaking the bank. its a premium price point without being stupid insane.  i think they have smartened up. At that price point its not worth arguing about.  those that fear 'chinese' triggers can buy them. those that love eBay can buy something else. there is room in the market for both.  the price of perceived security just dropped significantly.

Mar 01 13 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Parsons
Posts: 972
Quincy, Massachusetts, US


Illuminate wrote:
Dumb triggers for $100??

Rip-off in these modern times. There are so many other lower cost options that have same reliability and range. PW should smarten up. These shouldn't be more than $50 and should come as a kit: 2 units with sync cables.

And how many of those cheap triggers are compatible with just about any PocketWizard in use?

Mar 01 13 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,848
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


David Parsons wrote:

And how many of those cheap triggers are compatible with just about any PocketWizard in use?

Let me answer this way...

Once upon a time Research In motion scared everyone unto their platform citing security, reliability and continuity. Then along came the iPhone, The Android phones etc.

Not everyone is tied to a "legacy" system anymore. The world is moving towards a more "open source" model. Proprietary systems are finding it harder to compete now and charging premium prices for common functionality doesn't make it easier.

My own studio has sets of older PW II's which renters appreciate. Usually they come with their own equipment and I've noticed that the majority are not PW's. Quite a few of those renters have lot's of tears to their credit...I haven't seen where the final images are impacted by which triggers were used.

Mar 01 13 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


David Parsons wrote:
And how many of those cheap triggers are compatible with just about any PocketWizard in use?

Illuminate wrote:
Let me answer this way...

Once upon a time Research In motion scared everyone unto their platform citing security, reliability and continuity. Then along came the iPhone, The Android phones etc.

Not everyone is tied to a "legacy" system anymore. The world is moving towards a more "open source" model. Proprietary systems are finding it harder to compete now and charging premium prices for common functionality doesn't make it easier.

My own studio has sets of older PW II's which renters appreciate. Usually they come with their own equipment and I've noticed that the majority are not PW's. Quite a few of those renters have lot's of tears to their credit...I haven't seen where the final images are impacted by which triggers were used.

I suppose, but it is no different than Canon/Nikon.  If you go to a sports event or the red carpet or whatever, you are going to see a sea of Canon and Nikon cameras.  There might be the occasional Sony or Pentax or whatever, but they are the exception.

The mainstream industry has settled on Pocket Wizard as the standard.  They are built into meters, lights, packs and more.  Every pro already has made the investment. 

I agree, for someone starting from scratch, there are a lot of options.  For a pro who wants to shoot anywhere, with anyone and anything, Pocket Wizard is still the right solution.  Beyond that, at the higher end, with more professional needs (like the Max) they still can't be beaten.

So long as the pro world gravitates to Pocket Wizard, they will remain the standard.  The Chinese knockoffs will never do it.   Companies like Elinchrom have tried but they couldn't make a major dent.

Belly ache all you want, but so long as they are the flagship and people will buy them, they will continue to price them however they will.

I am just glad to see the price of the Pocket Wizard Plus III and the X come down from the stratosphere of the Plus II's.  I think $100 for the X is a better price point and I suspect that it will sell well.

I will say this, for all my clients, Pocket Wizards are their only choice.  That is what we use in the studio.

Mar 01 13 09:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,848
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ya i get what your saying ^

BUT, the majority of the pros you reference use Nikon & Canon for a couple of simple reasons that are not germane here. Price, variety are just a few. The other mans. you mentioned don't have the choices for glass at an affordable price if at all.

PW's are a different story. There are lot's of choices for dumb triggers and I think that will drive the prices for their product down within a year or two.

Choice is good, but for dumb triggers you should get a better package than they are offering for that money.
Mar 01 13 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,858
Upland, California, US


Steve Young Photos wrote:
Just announced today, Pocketwizard will be releasing a simple (very simple) Pocketwizard Plus X. It has the Plus III internals, has 500 meter range, sync speed is Up to 1/250 for focal plane shutters, Up to 1/500 for leaf shutters.

Does it have all the fancy features of a plus III? No but also less cost.

More Info:
http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/tr … LUSX/spec/

Yaaaaaaay... current owner of 11 Pocket Wizard II's that photographers use throughout the 3 studio rooms.  Might end up buying a few of these low cost, low profile Plus-X's for studio rentals and groupshoots... borat

Mar 01 13 09:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,774
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Illuminate wrote:
Dumb triggers for $100??

Rip-off in these modern times. There are so many other lower cost options that have same reliability and range. PW should smarten up. These shouldn't be more than $50 and should come as a kit: 2 units with sync cables.

Lower cost options that will work with the receivers in my lights, or my light meter?  Good move on PW part, but as you pointed out they have already lost a lot of bizz to cheaper solutions

Mar 01 13 09:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan Howell
Posts: 2,242
New York, New York, US


I love photographers vigorously defend copyright but turn right around and buy patent infringing merchandise from China because it's cheap.
Mar 01 13 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


Illuminate wrote:
Dumb triggers for $100??

Rip-off in these modern times. There are so many other lower cost options that have same reliability and range. PW should smarten up. These shouldn't be more than $50 and should come as a kit: 2 units with sync cables.

AJScalzitti wrote:
Lower cost options that will work with the receivers in my lights, or my light meter?  Good move on PW part, but as you pointed out they have already lost a lot of bizz to cheaper solutions

I wonder how much business they have really lost.   My guess is that the low cost people are doing a good job of picking up the customers who never would have bought PW's because of the price.  As they do that, the market in general grows, particularly since more and more people are buying cameras and using lights.

My guess is that their revenue remains steady or continues to grow.  I doubt that they are hurting at all.

Mar 01 13 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JAE
Posts: 2,134
West Chester, Pennsylvania, US


Good news.  One of my PWIIs only works when I have it on camera so I was looking to buy another one to have as a backup if the II fully  goes out.  $99 isn't bad for a spare.
Mar 01 13 10:08 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


Ya know, my biggest problem with the new Plus X is that they didn't give it more than four channels.  I really wish they could have come out with a $100 unit that was eight channels.
Mar 01 13 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,774
Atlanta, Georgia, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:

I wonder how much business they have really lost.   My guess is that the low cost people are doing a good job of picking up the customers who never would have bought PW's because of the price.  As they do that, the market in general grows, particularly since more and more people are buying cameras and using lights.

My guess is that their revenue remains steady or continues to grow.  I doubt that they are hurting at all.

I was thinking more about what business they could have gained by releasing this two or more years ago.  $99 each they still are not going to get the $20 knock off market but I don't think they really want that.

Mar 01 13 10:15 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


BTW, did you notice that, when you go to the Plus X page, there is a tab entitled:  "The Buzz."

They have a link to THIS thread.   They apparently read this site.
Mar 01 13 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,848
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


GPS Studio Services wrote:

Illuminate wrote:
Dumb triggers for $100??

Rip-off in these modern times. There are so many other lower cost options that have same reliability and range. PW should smarten up. These shouldn't be more than $50 and should come as a kit: 2 units with sync cables.

I wonder how much business they have really lost.   My guess is that the low cost people are doing a good job of picking up the customers who never would have bought PW's because of the price.  As they do that, the market in general grows, particularly since more and more people are buying cameras and using lights.

My guess is that their revenue remains steady or continues to grow.  I doubt that they are hurting at all.

Or they could just be tired of paying inflated prices for items like these...

Also your argument isn't really sound. If PW wasn't seeing their profits impacted by lower costs solutions these wouldn't be selling for $99.

If Apple's dominance was unchecked by Samsung I can only imagine what we would be paying for the new iPhone models (which my Galaxy S3 spanks!).

Mar 01 13 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:
I wonder how much business they have really lost.   My guess is that the low cost people are doing a good job of picking up the customers who never would have bought PW's because of the price.  As they do that, the market in general grows, particularly since more and more people are buying cameras and using lights.

My guess is that their revenue remains steady or continues to grow.  I doubt that they are hurting at all.

AJScalzitti wrote:
I was thinking more about what business they could have gained by releasing this two or more years ago.  $99 each they still are not going to get the $20 knock off market but I don't think they really want that.

That is a fair argument.  I think the bean counters just ran the numbers and decided they could make more money with a high priced item.  I agree though.  They don't want the low end.  It would have been nice if they had done this sooner but I am glad they did it now.

Mar 01 13 10:17 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


Illuminate wrote:
Also your argument isn't really sound. If PW wasn't seeing their profits impacted by lower costs solutions these wouldn't be selling for $99.

The price of all electronics go down over time.  That is to be expected.  I think PW rode it as long as they could and had to release less expensive things just as camera makers have.  That doesn't mean they are losing money or are doing badly.  That means they react to a changing market.

Mar 01 13 10:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Dan Howell wrote:
I love photographers vigorously defend copyright but turn right around and buy patent infringing merchandise from China because it's cheap.

please sir, do tell us what PW patents were infringed?

Mar 01 13 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,858
Upland, California, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:
Ya know, my biggest problem with the new Plus X is that they didn't give it more than four channels.  I really wish they could have come out with a $100 unit that was eight channels.

True... that woulda been cool to have 8 channels... lucky for me I'm only utilizing 4 power supplies thru-out the SM studios... wink

Mar 01 13 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,848
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


GPS Studio Services wrote:

The price of all electronics go down over time.  That is to be expected.  I think PW rode it as long as they could and had to release less expensive things just as camera makers have.  That doesn't mean they are losing money or are doing badly.  That means they react to a changing market.

never said anything about losing money...I said they had to lower prices due to competition. Also I'm sure the COGS has decreased as a result of sourcing cheaper parts, labour etc. Economics 101 in high school and university.

My comments were more to the point of adding value for the money. $99 is still a big deal to me despite no debts and great income. Maybe you are richer.

I think for that money they should have packaged the dumb triggers in to a set of two including cables and disposable batteries.

Personally I've learned in business that there are two ways to make money (honestly) . Lower costs and/or make more sales. My solution would definitely make them more sales...dumb triggers are a dime a dozen now, no matter what the logo is on the case.

Mar 01 13 10:37 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:
Ya know, my biggest problem with the new Plus X is that they didn't give it more than four channels.  I really wish they could have come out with a $100 unit that was eight channels.

Select Models wrote:
True... that woulda been cool to have 8 channels... lucky for me I'm only utilizing 4 power supplies thru-out the SM studios... wink

Well, since I have a total of 45 heads on twelve packs an a dozen mono-lights, I am not quite as lucky as you. 

That having been said, the only time it ever comes into play is when I want to run more than four simultaneaous sets, which does happen fairly regularly.  Otherwise, channels are not really a problem.  It just seems that it would be very easy to build units with more than four channels.  For some reason PW has been committed to just four main channels for years.

Mar 01 13 10:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,467
Paris, Île-de-France, France


If they are reliable and well made, perform well in all conditions, then 100$ is priced right.

For Broncolor they have a nice little trigger that  is flat. The new Broncolor triggers allow setting power on the better packs with this little unit. The best PW of course have a ton of features that go far beyond, yet aren't going to control Broncolor packs anyway.

Thing is I can't afford it, so I opted for some similar low profile dumb triggers.

Not perfectly reliable, so you get what you pay for.

And no I don't think they are copying any others, albeit the trigger systems all run on 2.4Ghz now.
Mar 01 13 10:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18,211
Orlando, Florida, US


Smedley Whiplash wrote:
They have to get serious.  Look what the competition is creating:  ($69 for a pair of transceivers)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100m-PT-04-LCD- … 3977254%26

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/100m-PT-04-LCD-3in1-Speedlight-Studio-Radio-Flash-Trigger-Camera-Remote-Control-/00/s/NjAwWDYwMA==/$T2eC16NHJF8E9nnC6H3YBQSD8ROkCQ~~60_3.JPG

These work pretty well I test them out the other day.

Mar 01 13 10:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,858
Upland, California, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:

GPS Studio Services wrote:
Ya know, my biggest problem with the new Plus X is that they didn't give it more than four channels.  I really wish they could have come out with a $100 unit that was eight channels.

Well, since I have a total of 45 heads on twelve packs

Wow dude... 45 heads and a dozen power packs... that's pretty crazy... I thought my 4 packs and 13 heads was enough.  You gotta dozen different rooms to shoot in?  I wanna invite to your 20 room mansion... borat

Mar 01 13 11:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Steve Young Photos
Posts: 537
Belleview, Florida, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:
BTW, did you notice that, when you go to the Plus X page, there is a tab entitled:  "The Buzz."

They have a link to THIS thread.   They apparently read this site.

I'm guessing its a bot that trolls the keywords and links it, or maybe they do read it...maybe they are here now....watching always watching! *dramatic music*

Mar 01 13 11:39 am  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:

Well, since I have a total of 45 heads on twelve packs

Select Models wrote:
Wow dude... 45 heads and a dozen power packs... that's pretty crazy... I thought my 4 packs and 13 heads was enough.  You gotta dozen different rooms to shoot in?  I wanna invite to your 20 room mansion... borat

You can do a lot in a 5,000 square foot studio if you build it out.  I have more than a dozen sets.

Mar 01 13 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JAE
Posts: 2,134
West Chester, Pennsylvania, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:
BTW, did you notice that, when you go to the Plus X page, there is a tab entitled:  "The Buzz."

They have a link to THIS thread.   They apparently read this site.

We are the buzz.  We must be the cool crowd tongue

Mar 01 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Let There Be Light
Posts: 7,657
Los Angeles, California, US


Illuminate wrote:
Also your argument isn't really sound. If PW wasn't seeing their profits impacted by lower costs solutions these wouldn't be selling for $99.

If Apple's dominance was unchecked by Samsung I can only imagine what we would be paying for the new iPhone models (which my Galaxy S3 spanks!).

The first iPhone -- pre-Android -- cost $499 with no contract. Samsung has had such an impact on Apple pricing that the iPhone 5 sells for $649. What was your point again?

Mar 01 13 12:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
IMG - Inner Images
Posts: 80
Budapest, Budapest, Hungary


It looks like nobody knows YongNuo YN-622C and YN-622N (now for Canon and sooner or later for Nikon bodies). A pair of transceivers cost around $84. E/I-TTL, 1/8000, on camera flash, remote groups, remote power levels, built in AF assist light and many extras...

I'm using these on 5D3 and a bunch of 580EX IIs.
Mar 01 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,824
San Francisco, California, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:
Ya know, my biggest problem with the new Plus X is that they didn't give it more than four channels.  I really wish they could have come out with a $100 unit that was eight channels.

My bad, I misread the specs.   It is compatible with the original four channels.  The new ones have ten channels, thus Plus X.  My mistake.

Ten channels is enough for even what I do.  I think I will start buying the Plus X rather than the Plus III's because they are adequate for what I need.

Mar 01 13 01:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,774
Atlanta, Georgia, US


GPS Studio Services wrote:

GPS Studio Services wrote:
I wonder how much business they have really lost.   My guess is that the low cost people are doing a good job of picking up the customers who never would have bought PW's because of the price.  As they do that, the market in general grows, particularly since more and more people are buying cameras and using lights.

My guess is that their revenue remains steady or continues to grow.  I doubt that they are hurting at all.

That is a fair argument.  I think the bean counters just ran the numbers and decided they could make more money with a high priced item.  I agree though.  They don't want the low end.  It would have been nice if they had done this sooner but I am glad they did it now.

You and me both.  I like the IIIs but reports of battery usage made me hold off.  Now these look like something I will be adding to my kit.

Mar 01 13 01:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RacerXPhoto
Posts: 2,462
Brooklyn, New York, US


The AB Cyber syncs do the job for me and cost less
Im still skeptical of PW after my experience with the FLEX series debacle
Mar 01 13 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
12last   Search   Reply