WillSpringfield wrote:
i hate crybaby photographers who make other photographers look like Vaginas, looking for validation of other photographers after a model pisses one off.

Youre being mean to vaginas

The Space Cowboy wrote:
I hate it when my softbox falls off the front of my strobe and it breaks the flash bulb on the way down.

Laura UnBound wrote:
models hate it when they fall on us


not that has anything to do with this thread.

SHIT almost did that once. the model was in the tub... Scared me more than it scared her... FUCK SHIT BubbleGuts!

Laura UnBound wrote:

Youre being mean to vaginas

He capitalized it so I imagine he meant a specific Vagina and not vaginas in general

WillSpringfield wrote:
i hate crybaby photographers who make other photographers look like Vaginas, looking for validation of other photographers after a model pisses one off.

Laura UnBound wrote:
Youre being mean to vaginas

LOL! but the few ladies i have been with in my life have preferred when i am MEAN to their Vagina... one said, come over here and "Ike turner the Pussy"

WillSpringfield wrote:

The Space Cowboy wrote:
I hate it when my softbox falls off the front of my strobe and it breaks the flash bulb on the way down.

SHIT almost did that once. the model was in the tub... Scared me more than it scared her... FUCK SHIT BubbleGuts!

Ive had the whole light fall off the arm once, luckily that one didnt land ON me. But since that every time the soft box comes lose Im scared to death Im about to get clocked with a light on my head. Im gonna start having nightmares about overhead lighting.

matt-h2 wrote:
Inappropriate use of apostrophes.

Dammit... I wanted this one.

I hate people as clever as me, but quicker.

matt-h2 wrote:
Inappropriate use of apostrophes.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
Dammit... I wanted this one.

I hate people as clever as me, but quicker.

And inappropriate capitalization of common words.

Beat you again. 

WillSpringfield wrote:
i hate crybaby photographers who make other photographers look like Vaginas, looking for validation of other photographers after a model pisses one off.

DaFuq did I just read?

SPRINGHEEL  wrote:
Life and happiness


They hate life and happiness

Nah, they just hate Milton Bradley board games.

WillSpringfield wrote:
i hate crybaby photographers who make other photographers look like Vaginas, looking for validation of other photographers after a model pisses one off.

WILL!!!!!!!! lmao

Tiff
www.TiffineyC.com

Roberto Briceno wrote:
The big one for me is when everything is set up, time is put aside, looking forward to the shoot only to have the model do a no call/no show. And then hours later, the model states that she "forgot and the phone was on silent." Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure, lady, when you are the type of person that lives for her phone 24/7.

OK, fellow photographers, what do you hate in this business?

Thinking that insulting and ranting about models, on a site devoted to networking with models, is somehow a good idea.

rp_photo wrote:
Getting no feedback from models after I have sent them shoot preview links.

I put my heart, soul, and most of my spare time into this, and it's a major letdown when models seem to not care.

You put your "heart and soul" into preview links?

B R E N N A N wrote:

I came in here to say the same thing.

I can't be the only one who finds these threads to be terribly polarizing.

Models do things photographers hate. Photographers do things models hate. MUAs do things models and photographers hate. People do things I hate. I do things people hate. But I don't waste my time venting about it in a public forum and coming across as negative and having a poor attitude towards those I'm on this site to try and work with.

The Space Cowboy wrote:
I hate it when I can't find the cord that charges the Vagabond, or the one that goes to the camera battery charger, when it is supposed to be right here.

Dude, welcome to middle age.

I completely lose stuff I had in my hand five seconds previous.  Again, last night, I "lost" a lens cap I had JUST taken off the camera. 

I need an assistant for this crap.

WillSpringfield wrote:
i hate crybaby photographers who make other photographers look like Vaginas, looking for validation of other photographers after a model pisses one off.

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
DaFuq did I just read?

without the proper punctuation it required, its called a run-on sentence... for fun!

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
I think the thing that's really missing from this community is a general willingness to take and enjoy the good and roll with it/move on when the bad happens. Yeah, there's a lot of crap to go around, but it's that one good shoot that goes off perfectly that makes all that other crap worth it.

"No matter how much crap you gotta plow through to stay alive as a photographer, no matter how many bad assignments, bad days, bad clients, snotty subjects, obnoxious handlers, wigged-out art directors, technical disasters, failures of the mind, body, and will, all the shouldas, couldas, and wouldas that befuddle our brains and creep into our dreams, always remember to make room to shoot what you love. It’s the only way to keep your heart beating as a photographer."
-Joe McNally

Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Roberto Briceno wrote:
OK, fellow photographers, what do you hate in this business?

People who can't accept that shit happens, and ranting about it accomplishes pretty much nothing.  The key is to learn from the experience and how to avoid the shit next time - this applies to everyone, not just photographers.

I'm not suggesting you have not learned from your experiences, but I can guarantee that many photographers reading this thread have not, so all it's doing is feeding their sense of outrage without given them pause to consider what they would do differently next time.  Like I said, rants serve no useful purpose.

WillSpringfield wrote:
i hate crybaby photographers who make other photographers look like Vaginas, looking for validation of other photographers after a model pisses one off.

Tiffiney C wrote:
WILL!!!!!!!! lmao

Tiff
www.TiffineyC.com

Yes baby, YES! lol

by the way youre so Hot right now!

Paramour Productions wrote:
Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Sure; enlighten me.

Paramour Productions wrote:
Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
Sure; enlighten me.

Not enough Penis cake!!!

Roberto Briceno wrote:
OK, fellow photographers, what do you hate in this business?

I hate when people think that when something happens to them, it's the first time it ever happened to anyone, and they need to tell everyone about it.

Laura UnBound wrote:

models hate it when they fall on us

I hate it when models fall on me. Especially if they're nekid.

Paramour Productions wrote:
Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
Sure; enlighten me.

WillSpringfield wrote:
Not enough Penis cake!!!

I'll be honest; that's not the response I was expecting. O.o

SPRINGHEEL  wrote:

He capitalized it so I imagine he meant a specific Vagina and not vaginas in general

HAHHAHAHAHAHA I love that response!  I just spewed Pepsi all over my screen

B R E N N A N wrote:
I can't be the only one who finds these threads to be terribly polarizing.

Models do things photographers hate. Photographers do things models hate. MUAs do things models and photographers hate. People do things I hate. I do things people hate. But I don't waste my time venting about it in a public forum and coming across as negative and having a poor attitude towards those I'm on this site to try and work with.

♥

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:

Paramour Productions wrote:
Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
Sure; enlighten me.

I'll be honest; that's not the response I was expecting. O.o

Will is a professional whos been in the business for a while...


clearly hes correct.

Kerri Jean wrote:

HAHHAHAHAHAHA I love that response!  I just spewed Pepsi all over my screen

I hate it when photographers waste perfectly good pepsi.

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
I'll be honest; that's not the response I was expecting. O.o

Paramour Productions wrote:
Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
Sure; enlighten me.

You have a conflation of past (i.e. "brick and mortar") modeling & photography with new practices arising out of web-based modeling & photography and the two often don't jive.  When that happens, weird stuff occurs.

Models, generally speaking, are not the clients of photographers.  Sure, there have always been photographers that did "portfolio development" for girls who dreamed of becoming a model, but they were usually at the lower end of the scale - as were the girls.  If they were general family portrait studios, they generally didn't even charge that much for it as most aspiring models don't have much money (and most really ambitious aspiring models had other ways of getting the photos for free and often did).

Photographers, generally speaking, are not the clients of models.  Sure, for certain art projects one would pay a model, especially for painters as the model would be required to sit for long periods of time - but the rates here were typically a low hourly.  Photographers with a solid history behind them, almost never paid for art models, or, if they did, it was a nominal fee as a token gesture.

None of this was because one party was trying to get one over on the other, it's because they understood that they were not each others clients.  That's why trade came about.  You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.  Often times the photographers and models who did trade were friends, or became friends, and it was generally a fun time.  I did this last night with a good friend of mine.  It was done so that each party had tools that they could use to entice real clients (you know, the people who pay you to do stuff).

The web has changed this dynamic somewhat (or, perhaps better stated, greatly expanded on another old concept - the camera club).  "Back in the day" you had local camera clubs and, since they were mostly made up of geeky guys who were into photography, they would often hire girls to pose nude for them.  Kind of like the "shootouts" or "workshops" of today.  Same thing.  These were the GWCs of their time.  The web has taken this to a new level and there are many models who make their living off of guys who are willing to pay them (usually because they have nothing else to offer) to pose.  God bless those guys - they keep a roof over some of my friends heads!  This is surely valid and I have nothing against the practice, but it does butt heads with the afore mentioned model.

Again, the same is true with photographers.  The idea that photographers are going to make a good living shooting models without an actual client, thereby making the model the client, is a new one as well (and kind of a silly one if you ask me, but my definition of a "good living" may be different from that of others).

So there you have it.  The first problem is you have two groups of people, each trying to get the other group to pay them because there is no natural client base represented on the site - nor will there ever be due to the site's policies and traditions.  The only real COMMERCIAL benefit to a site like this is for producers of adult content, ironically, the one area you supposedly aren't allowed to network for (yet it goes on daily, as it must for a site such as this). 

The second problem is that these two groups, let's call them old school and new school, don't really seem to understand or appreciate each other.  Their philosophies, business practices and even aesthetics just don't jive and that causes it's own friction.

If this were REALLY a networking site for models and photographers seeking to work in the commercial world, it would be structured much different.  But it isn't - and that's ok - but you can't be surprised when the two worlds collide.

If it were a site that was dedicated solely to the hobbyist models and photographers, many of these issues would go away as well, as everyone would just be here to have fun. 

It's when the two get conflated that we have problems.

WillSpringfield wrote:

Paramour Productions wrote:
Do you really want to know what's wrong with this community, because I can tell you...

Not enough Penis cake!!!

And of course this!

Art of the nude wrote:
Thinking that insulting and ranting about llamas, on a site devoted to networking with llamas, is somehow a good idea.