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Robb Mann
Posts: 7,728
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Ive tried Sigma 'pro' lenses in the past and found them flaky, unreliable and frankly humourous to use in many ways. I personally held them below Tokina and Tamron as a maker of 3rd party lenses. I also loved the way their old lenses would often have unique quirks when used on a new body.

And now they make the best Autofocus 35 f1.4 lens? And their new 120-300 f2.8 appears well worth the $3500 asking price? Im still unsure about the USB-lens cap - come firmware updater, but it gets around the firmware quirks.

So, anyone know what happened? Major change in management or ownership? Im close to dropping coin on that 'art' 35 f1.4.
Mar 11 13 06:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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AJScalzitti
Posts: 9,473
Atlanta, Georgia, US


They have really stepped up, but some models are still in the 3rd tier you spoke of.  Over the past year or so its really been their prime lens that were strong; better off with Tamron for 3rd party zooms.

The latest look to be changing things, but time will tell.
Mar 11 13 06:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 7,728
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Hmm, thought I posted this in Photography. Oh well.
Mar 11 13 06:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography
Posts: 1,470
BRONX, New York, US


Now? They always have if you stick with the EX line. I have mainly all Sigma lenses including that art 1 lens. It is hot! The reviews say it's better than the Canon version. I am not an expert but I compared it to my 100mm Canon USM lens and there is no difference really other than focal length.  So, in comparison to that, it rocks!

I had a Tamron lens, had to send it back three times. Never returned a Sigma lens. Never returned a Canon lens either.

Disclaimer...I am not an expert....http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-024.gif
Mar 11 13 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 4,270
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


I have heard of so many heartbreak stories of old 3rd party lenses not working on the next generation of DSLR bodies, that I still would give these off brands a miss...

DSLR manufacturers would never divulge their inner workings to lens makers who reverse engineer their lenses. Why would they?

There is one four letter word when you buy these lenses:

Risk.

.
Mar 11 13 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 12,754
Orlando, Florida, US


The 105mm macro f/2.8 Sigma EX lens I've had for 6 years is STILL my favorite lens in a bag full of Nikkor glass.  Razor sharp and no CA.

Now, on the other hand, I wasn't so impressed with an older 70-200mm EX from them.  Soft under f/5.6 and slow to focus.
Mar 11 13 06:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rich Davis
Posts: 3,135
Gulf Breeze, Florida, US


I'm an old Minolta/Sony shooter.  I have an old Sigma lens on my bookshelf to remind me to never, ever buy another Sigma lens.
Mar 11 13 06:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography
Posts: 1,470
BRONX, New York, US


I have a 70-200, 150-500, 18-200, 35mm, no issues. Sharp. Maybe I'm blind...haha My brother has a Canon 70-200 and a 5d like myself. I can't see a difference. Nor could he. I think some things are more hype than actual fact but I am biased that way...I say use what works for you. I don't have Canon L money so that's what I do...
Mar 11 13 07:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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DWShoots
Posts: 280
San Antonio, Texas, US


I've been very pleased with my Sigma lenses and I have several.

Price is the biggest motivator for me and I thoroughly read reviews. I have not had any issues whatsoever with them.

When I compare them with Canon lenses it's hard to justify the sometimes twice the cost of the Sigma version.
Mar 11 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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DBVE Imaging
Posts: 1,842
Fort Worth, Texas, US


I had my run with knock-offs.  Never again.  My Sigma was a joke.  Its in the closet and will probably stay there.  I only do real Nikkor now.  I am sure they work great for some, but I was not happy with the obvious lack of quality.
Mar 11 13 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 7,728
Baltimore, Maryland, US


My last Sigma was their new 24-70 f2.8 HSM, which was a huge step-up from
Their old 24-70, and reviews said it was better than the Canon 24-70 f2.8 L. I got the Nikon Version, and tried it for a few days. Sucker couldnt find focus on my D700. It would continue to hunt for focus, even with a strong contrast target, for as long as you held the AF-on button. 2nd copy did the same thing. All my Nikon glass, even cheap lenses, found focus in an instant in thr same situations. The Sigma went back to the store, and I grabbed a Nikon 24-70.

I swore off Sigma lenses at that point, which is why Im having trouble warming up to their new Art lenses, which are putting down impressive numbers.
Mar 12 13 04:49 am  Link  Quote 
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liddellphoto
Posts: 1,670
London, England, United Kingdom


The 85mm 1.4, 35mm 1.4 and 180mm macro are great, it is good to see them challenge canikon's ever increasing lens prices.
Mar 12 13 05:50 am  Link  Quote 
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WMcK
Posts: 5,177
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
I have heard of so many heartbreak stories of old 3rd party lenses not working on the next generation of DSLR bodies, that I still would give these off brands a miss...

DSLR manufacturers would never divulge their inner workings to lens makers who reverse engineer their lenses. Why would they?

There is one four letter word when you buy these lenses:

Risk.

.

I still have a couple of older Sigma lenses which work on my film cameras but not on my digitals. Sigma say they can't be upgraded. One of them, a 70-300 APO, was a very sharp lens. On the other hand they were able to upgrade a 28-300 which was really not worth upgrading!
But my Sigma 12-24 is a great lens.

Mar 12 13 05:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,695
Dearborn, Michigan, US


I have used a Sigma 17-50 f2.8 for almost 2 years.  It's a great lens.
Mar 15 13 07:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Aaron Duarte
Posts: 94
Manchester, New Hampshire, US


I had the 24-70 2.8, the 10-20, and two of the 70-200 2.8s.  I got the second 70-200 2.8 when the first one died three weeks after I bought it new.  I had to wait almost two months to get the first one back from Ritz because they would not replace it after three weeks.  Needless to say, that was the last time I dealt with Ritz, and the last time I purchased Sigma.

I found the lenses to be less sharp than I had hoped and the 70-200s would not auto-focus with a tele-converter at any F-Stop.

I now run Nikons and a Tokina 100mm 2.8 macro.  No issues.
Mar 15 13 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Imageography
Posts: 6,447
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


I have had so many difficulties with sigma (and a purchaser of over 11 of their higher grade lenses), I have given up and there will be no redemption.

Lenses that died for me or gave grief.

30 1.4 - Siezed focusing (went kind of crazy and zoomed out until it maxed and still kept trying to go) - Replacement just stopped working after 3 months

50 2.8 macro - Replaced 2 times. First one would not focus on anything (Kept seeking), second one had a severe backfocus issue.

80-400 - Something came loose inside jamming the focus. Got a refund, no replacement issued.

50-500 - Plastic gears.. One was defective (from manufacturing) and kept grinding. Replaced once - Second lens sold on ebay

150-500 - Partly my fault, but the lens had no lock. Tilt the camera down and it just flies out. It flew out one too many times and just came apart.

28-70 Pro EX
Great lens, sharp and all but after a years use because very loose in the body.

Ironically the 2 cheap 18-50 and 70-300 lenses I bought from them worked for a long time with no issues. Sold those on ebay when I moved to Nikon

Regardless, I have no confidence nor interest in Sigma because of this.

Sad, because if they do have great lenses now, it would be a treat, but I'm not taking any chances.
Mar 15 13 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Ira
Posts: 2,063
New York, New York, US


Loved my old 70-200 2.8, http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show … =37&page=3

It was not the pretty to look at with its painting peeling off everywhere but produced great images.  More saturated than my Canon 70-200 2.8 IS.
Mar 15 13 06:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,695
Dearborn, Michigan, US


-Ira wrote:
Loved my old 70-200 2.8, http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show … =37&page=3

It was not the pretty to look at with its painting peeling off everywhere but produced great images.  More saturated than my Canon 70-200 2.8 IS.

Did you notice the user rating on the latest 70-200 f2.8?  I have this lens.

Mar 15 13 06:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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-fpc-
Posts: 286
Port Chester, New York, US


bought the new 35/1.4 art lens and it is a very nice lens
great OOF rendering, quick focus

ultimately sold it as I prefer my old non-D 35/2 for primary street lens
a little to big and heavy, and I don't shoot street @1.4

for people shots, I prefer longer focal lengths

edit
Sigma 50/1.4 and 150/2.8 macro are both stellar lenses as well
Mar 15 13 06:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


LOVE mine... (SONY version on cropped sensor a55/a77)
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/TyPortfolio/sigma_zps5dd1ed07.jpg
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/sig … 2p8_os_c16
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/TyPortfolio/ratings_zps56621b37.jpg
Per DPReview
Mar 15 13 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leighthenubian
Posts: 1,964
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


They always made good lenses...and a couple of great ones.

The issue was auto focus. If they can do that reliably so you don't have to buy and return 3 copies to get ones that work...well that would be great.

New 35 is a step in the right direction though.
Mar 15 13 06:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mike Hemming
Posts: 296
Easton, Maryland, US


In the early 90's I bought a Sigma 500 mm F4 in Nikon mount for my 8008.
Early in my testing there was something that didnt look right.
After studying 3 sets of slides , I realized it was sharper at the edges than at the center.
Took it back to the local camera store (remember those) the owner called Sigma I talked to him told him the problem. He said that lens was a "baseball lens". WTF Is that?
I told them that was unacceptable after much back and forth Sigma took the lens back and I spent the extra $2000 to by a Nikkor 500 mm f4P lens.
Which I still own and love.
No more "baseball lenses" for me EVER!
Mar 15 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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T Urban Photography
Posts: 250
Somerset, Pennsylvania, US


My Sigma 85 1.4 blows my older Nikon 85 1.4D out of the water.  Maybe the newer Nikon 85G is better, but the Sigma is pretty amazing, imo.
Mar 15 13 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33,114
San Francisco, California, US


I own a wide angle Sigma for my crop sensor Sony A700. That bitch is sharp. Very quiet too. Makes my Minolta lens sounds wise look pretty bad.
Mar 15 13 08:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 4,270
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Mike Hemming wrote:
He said that lens was a "baseball lens". WTF Is that?

Lots of curve balls instead of straight lines.

...and it's all over the plate.

.

Mar 15 13 09:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dan Brady
Posts: 554
Perth, Western Australia, Australia


Will be testing a 35 1.4 in a few weeks on my d800. if it's nice I'll buy it
Mar 15 13 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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MP_DigitalStudio1
Posts: 992
San Francisco, California, US


I have the latest versions of Sigma's 24-70mm 2.8 and 70-200mm 2.8 for Canon. I have had no problems with either lens.
Mar 15 13 11:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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DG at studio47
Posts: 2,306
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


DWShoots wrote:
I've been very pleased with my Sigma lenses and I have several.

Price is the biggest motivator for me and I thoroughly read reviews. I have not had any issues whatsoever with them.

When I compare them with Canon lenses it's hard to justify the sometimes twice the cost of the Sigma version.

my main lens is a sigma [70-200mm, 2.8]. 7 years old, no problems.oh well. YMMV.

Mar 15 13 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Chuckarelei
Posts: 8,199
Seattle, Washington, US


Sigma? No thank you. learned my lesson long time ago.

Still have a 17-35 EX for Nikon hasn't fallen apart, yet. Anyone interested?
Mar 15 13 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Capitol-Imaging-Group
Posts: 3,758
Tweed Heads, New South Wales, Australia


they always did you just had to actually know what to buy and what to avoid, 150-500mm a joke lense,  but the 170-500mm a joy to own, there 70-300mm apo in its latest version, a joke lens, but the push pull red banded apo an absolute delight to use, its like anything good and bad but research the lense you wish to buy try it in store on YOUR camera then decide.
Mar 15 13 11:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andy Durazo
Posts: 24,380
Los Angeles, California, US


Art lenses?  I guess they found a way to sell lenses that are never in focus!
Mar 15 13 11:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,231
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


I would want to see a lot of user reports over time to confirm 1) it doesn't break down and 2) it focuses well. No point in having a sharp lens if its out of focus or not working.

My other issue is repair times. I can get my canon kit fixed very quickly with gold cps. However I believe sigma takes a lot longer.

Still, I applaud them for improving quality and I'm sure it's a great alternative, especially for people who don't have gear that they move around a lot or rely on for professional work smile
Mar 16 13 12:43 am  Link  Quote 
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PhotoHive
Posts: 61
Constanța, Constanța, Romania


Sigma made pretty good lenses for a while, just stick to their EX models... the red band ones are yucky most of the time.
Mar 16 13 04:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 7,728
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Ive been told that Sigma hacks the camera firmware - reverse engineering instead of licensing it. Thats why their older lenses sometimes do weird things on newer bodies.

I had a variable aperture 10-20 crop sigma. Worked fine on my D200. On my D300, pressing the AF-ON button would often cause the camera to lock up hard. - like remove the battery and memory card hard. Sold it pretty quick after that.
Mar 16 13 06:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Leighthenubian
Posts: 1,964
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Mar 16 13 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
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ACPhotography
Posts: 8,107
Plainview, New York, US


I only own 1 Sigma lens, the 15mm fisheye and I only own it because it was cheaper than the Nikon and I use it on a remote camera that regularly has hockey pucks flying at it....

I do admit, the 120-300 2.8 piques my interest as a sports lens, I'd like to get my hands on the new one and give it a work out shooting some hockey and auto racing...
Mar 16 13 08:30 am  Link  Quote 
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The Alternative Image
Posts: 4,099
London, England, United Kingdom


I have the older non is 150mm f2.8 macro, the only Sigma lens I own, has to be said that it is super sharp, almost frighteningly so, I would go as far to say it is sharper than my Canon 70/200 f2.8.
Mar 16 13 08:33 am  Link  Quote 
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myfotographer
Posts: 3,309
Fresno, California, US


I have had several of their lenses. I thought they were great until i needed service. It sucked so bad, i sold every single Sigma product and will NEvER own anything Sigma.
Mar 16 13 08:39 am  Link  Quote 
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realistgva
Posts: 252
Plan-les-Ouates, Geneva, Switzerland


ACPhotography wrote:
I only own 1 Sigma lens, the 15mm fisheye and I only own it because it was cheaper than the Nikon and I use it on a remote camera that regularly has hockey pucks flying at it....

I do admit, the 120-300 2.8 piques my interest as a sports lens, I'd like to get my hands on the new one and give it a work out shooting some hockey and auto racing...

Same here for the 15mm fisheye. Where I shoot there is 1 canon and 1 Nikon shooter with the 120-300 both are very happy with it.
I regret not buying this lens for Sony when it launched in Switzerland it was the same price ad the Sony 70-200 f2.8

Recently I have seen many positive reviews. I may stick with Sony because there is no af-d support for 3rd party lenses. This new AF mode for sports. Rocks

Mar 16 13 08:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Robert Mossack
Posts: 1,076
Joplin, Missouri, US


In the past I've never owned a Sigma lens because they just felt cheap. This past month we had a Sigma rep come speak to our local photo group and he brought  one of everything in the current Sigma lineup. Some of them felt pretty good, and I loved the 85 1.4 in particular. They certainly seemed to have taken steps to improve the quality of their offerings for the most part.
Mar 16 13 09:48 am  Link  Quote 
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