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Photographer
Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,350
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


So much has been said I do not want to open the debate on escorts. However a new model contacted me last week about a shoot and she eventually called me. She said she needed to bring an escort since it was a promise she had made to her overly worried father....as I was about to say no thanks...she said that her escort was an MUA and stylist. I checked the MUA's profile, it all looked quite good.
Win/win.
So I offer this idea to those ladies wanting/needing escorts. Make friends with an MUA or stylist. Make very good friends with one...or two.
Not many photographers would say no to this arrangement.
Mar 13 13 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


When dealing with a model who insists on an escort, I offer the options of:
1) shared shoot with other models
2) MUA present
3) shoot at a location that has its own hired security

Inevitably, there's a percentage of models whio will refuse even those options. They want their husband or boyfriend present, even if the husband or BF will make the other models uncomfortable.
Mar 13 13 01:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dekilah
Posts: 4,883
Detroit, Michigan, US


While this sounds good in theory, most good MUAs and hair stylists charge for their services or are really, really selective in trading. They might be willing to take a risk on a trade for a friend once in a while, but not regularly I would imagine. And most, if not all, photographers will not take kindly to being required to pay an additional person just to get the model to shoot with them.

That said, having an MUA or hair stylist present is a good compromise if the model wants another person present, but I think this should be as a planned part of the shoot and arranged by whoever has designed the shoot concept, not just a friend anyone is bringing along.
Mar 13 13 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,322
Salem, Oregon, US


i'm happy when the llama brings a MUA. but i generally won't get a MUA involved for an untested trade llama (where it's like 50/50 whether they'll even show). and i've had MUAs cancel on short notice because of family issues and one barely made it to an 11am call time and she wasn't at all sober.

i'm guessing some llama behavior can be explained by input from people close to them. and if all those people know is what gets reported in the media they probably figure their daughter is 100% going to wind up missing. whereas i figure the odds at more like 50%.
Mar 13 13 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
So much has been said I do not want to open the debate on escorts. However a new model contacted me last week about a shoot and she eventually called me. She said she needed to bring an escort since it was a promise she had made to her overly worried father....as I was about to say no thanks...she said that her escort was an MUA and stylist. I checked the MUA's profile, it all looked quite good.
Win/win.
So I offer this idea to those ladies wanting/needing escorts. Make friends with an MUA or stylist. Make very good friends with one...or two.
Not many photographers would say no to this arrangement.

I wonder if her overly-worried father is calmed knowing an MUA/Stylist is acting as his daughter's protection?

Has the term "escort" become so bastardized that it now means anyone who accompanies the model to the shoot? An MUA is not an escort. A driver who delivers the model and leaves is not an escort. The entire purpose of an escort is for the model's protection in the oh-so-likely (if you listen to threads on here) event the photographer is dangerous.

What is the MUA going to do to protect daddy's daughter? Threaten the photographer with a camel-hair brush?

On another note...why is everyone looking for an escort compromise? Here's the compromise. If you require an escort to accompany you to our shoot, shoot with someone else. That's my compromise.

Mar 13 13 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US


After reading so many threads on these forums about this, I don't permit in studio escorts during a shoot.

A driving "escort" to drop off and pick up is what I recommend to those that feel a need. If that's a no go then I don't book the model.

I have sufficient references on my MM profile to reassure any would be model.
Mar 13 13 01:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
She said she needed to bring an llama herder since it was a promise she had made to her overly worried father...

Oh well in that case lol.

I made a promise too. I promised I would never work with a model who wasn't mature or adult enough to make her own life decisions and who needed to negotiate her daddy's approval and make promises to placate him. Or one who needed to use a promise she made to daddy as a way to justify her fear and insecurity.

Was this model 15? Because it doesn't sound like an adult.

Mar 13 13 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
pullins photography
Posts: 5,878
Troy, Michigan, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
So much has been said I do not want to open the debate on escorts. However a new model contacted me last week about a shoot and she eventually called me. She said she needed to bring an escort since it was a promise she had made to her overly worried father....as I was about to say no thanks...she said that her escort was an MUA and stylist. I checked the MUA's profile, it all looked quite good.
Win/win.
So I offer this idea to those ladies wanting/needing escorts. Make friends with an MUA or stylist. Make very good friends with one...or two.
Not many photographers would say no to this arrangement.

just pass on that nonsense...why do people think that something is going to happen? Does she take an escort into the operating room?

Mar 13 13 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
pullins photography
Posts: 5,878
Troy, Michigan, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
So much has been said I do not want to open the debate on escorts. However a new model contacted me last week about a shoot and she eventually called me. She said she needed to bring an escort since it was a promise she had made to her overly worried father....as I was about to say no thanks...she said that her escort was an MUA and stylist. I checked the MUA's profile, it all looked quite good.
Win/win.
So I offer this idea to those ladies wanting/needing escorts. Make friends with an MUA or stylist. Make very good friends with one...or two.
Not many photographers would say no to this arrangement.

Ask her if her overprotective father has her chaperoned when she's on a date with some boy? That's where the potential of an issue is highest.

Mar 13 13 01:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,350
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


Did you guys miss the part about it being a NEW llama. They have no idea what to expect. I would never allow an escort myself, but some women are cautious. Don't compare apples to oranges about surgery...there are 50 people involved in that.
I am simply aware that some women don't feel secure alone and in this vulnerable position.
This is just a solution that may help those who feel this way.
Mar 13 13 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,415
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
Did you guys miss the part about it being a NEW model. They have no idea what to expect. I would never allow an escort myself, but some women are cautious. Don't compare apples to oranges about surgery...there are 50 people involved in that.
I am simply aware that some women don't feel secure alone and in this vulnerable position.
This is just a solution that may help those who feel this way.

That is why I will not photograph them.
You were lucky with this model!

Mar 13 13 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,432
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
On another note...why is everyone looking for an escort compromise? Here's the compromise. If you require an escort to accompany you to our shoot, shoot with someone else. That's my compromise.

Amen Brother!!!

Mar 13 13 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Don Pool
Posts: 95
Plano, Texas, US


I offered a new model the opportunity to let someone call her once an hour. I did this only because I really wanted to shoot with her. Normally, I say no thanks to [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_llama herder_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_llama herder_Wagon.jpg[/img]s and phone calls. If she doesn't trust me, let's agree that she shouldn't shoot with me. No hard feelings.
Mar 13 13 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,562
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Dekilah wrote:
While this sounds good in theory, most good MUAs and hair stylists charge for their services or are really, really selective in trading. They might be willing to take a risk on a trade for a friend once in a while, but not regularly I would imagine. And most, if not all, photographers will not take kindly to being required to pay an additional person just to get the model to shoot with them.

That said, having an MUA or hair stylist present is a good compromise if the model wants another person present, but I think this should be as a planned part of the shoot and arranged by whoever has designed the shoot concept, not just a friend anyone is bringing along.

+1

Mar 13 13 03:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
Did you guys miss the part about it being a NEW model. They have no idea what to expect. I would never allow an escort myself, but some women are cautious. Don't compare apples to oranges about surgery...there are 50 people involved in that.
I am simply aware that some women don't feel secure alone and in this vulnerable position.
This is just a solution that may help those who feel this way.

I'm fine with having extensive conversations with a model in advance of the shoot, going over details of the shoot, and what I hope to accomplish, and the like.  If it helps them build comfort.  Rarely, I'll even meet a model in advance.  Did that a week or so ago, it lead to a shoot the following Saturday that I'm very happy with.

But, ultimately, I don't want to try to do a creative shoot with someone who is scared of me.  It's depressing.

Mar 13 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DG at studio47
Posts: 2,364
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


I encouraged models to bring an escort, just always made it clear that whoever came with them would be working during the shoot, running errands, operating sound system, etc. no free-loaders. only escorts 18+ and with photo ID allowed.problems? a few in 8 years but not anything that ever stopped a shoot.
Mar 13 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
1k-words-photograpy
Posts: 344
Leesburg, Virginia, US


I recommend this all the time to llamas who want an llama herder.
Mar 13 13 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
Did you guys miss the part about it being a NEW model. They have no idea what to expect. I would never allow an escort myself, but some women are cautious. Don't compare apples to oranges about surgery...there are 50 people involved in that.
I am simply aware that some women don't feel secure alone and in this vulnerable position.
This is just a solution that may help those who feel this way.

Of course it's a new model. That's a given.

How do we know she's new without you having to announce that? Because models rarely get to the level to call themselves "experienced" if they're that terrified of photographers and negotiating shoot protocols based on negotiations with their daddy.

Those are the type of models who don't make it past the "new" stage.

Mar 13 13 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
pullins photography
Posts: 5,878
Troy, Michigan, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
Did you guys miss the part about it being a NEW model. They have no idea what to expect. I would never allow an escort myself, but some women are cautious. Don't compare apples to oranges about surgery...there are 50 people involved in that.
I am simply aware that some women don't feel secure alone and in this vulnerable position.
This is just a solution that may help those who feel this way.

The issue is not if she's new or not..when you show up to work, your boss isn't interested in your insecurities. The issue is, is she grown enough to be independent, simple as that. If she's scared then stay at home, or go through an agency and let them guide the whole deal.

So what they're "50" people at an operation..what nurse is going to stop a doctor god from making an obvious mistake? More people die from medical mistakes, than from photography, so where do you think someone needs to be "escorted?"

Mar 13 13 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


JOEL McDONALD wrote:
After reading so many threads on these forums about this, I don't permit in studio escorts during a shoot.

A driving "escort" to drop off and pick up is what I recommend to those that feel a need. If that's a no go then I don't book the model.

I have sufficient references on my MM profile to reassure any would be model.

+1, however...

I have agreed to a MUA or stylist (even if it's a sister or friend) that is not a distraction.
A driver (drop off/pick up) is also a good solution. Check my references. And I also have independent security at my location.

Art of the nude wrote:
I'm fine with having extensive conversations with a model in advance of the shoot, going over details of the shoot, and what I hope to accomplish, and the like.  If it helps them build comfort.  Rarely, I'll even meet a model in advance.  Did that a week or so ago, it lead to a shoot the following Saturday that I'm very happy with.

Bingo! It's all about collaboration and communication!

The "connection" and expression is the key to a great image.
Much MORE important than T&A. wink It shows in the image.

Mar 13 13 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Hieronimi
Posts: 238
Chicago, Illinois, US


JOEL McDONALD wrote:
After reading so many threads on these forums about this, I don't permit in studio escorts during a shoot.

A driving "escort" to drop off and pick up is what I recommend to those that feel a need. If that's a no go then I don't book the model.

I have sufficient references on my MM profile to reassure any would be model.

I don't understand why models insist on having someone present the entire shoot. I'm comfortable enough with having a male friend or my boyfriend drop me off and say hi to the photographer for a minute before coming by at the end of the shoot to pick me up.

Mar 13 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith92883
Posts: 137
Corona, California, US


A MUA has a function at a shoot. An "escort" does not, other than to wonder through the house looking for things to steal.
Mar 13 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Keith92883 wrote:
A MUA has a function at a shoot. An "escort" does not, other than to wonder through the house looking for things to steal.

Or make the model uncomfortable (and distracted) with dis-approving "looks" and often jealous or pouting body language.

Mar 13 13 04:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Hieronimi
Posts: 238
Chicago, Illinois, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I wonder if her overly-worried father is calmed knowing an MUA/Stylist is acting as his daughter's protection?

Has the term "escort" become so bastardized that it now means anyone who accompanies the model to the shoot? An MUA is not an escort. A driver who delivers the model and leaves is not an escort. The entire purpose of an escort is for the model's protection in the oh-so-likely (if you listen to threads on here) event the photographer is dangerous.

What is the MUA going to do to protect daddy's daughter? Threaten the photographer with a camel-hair brush?

On another note...why is everyone looking for an escort compromise? Here's the compromise. If you require an escort to accompany you to our shoot, shoot with someone else. That's my compromise.

Hahahah +1 Threaten the photographer with a camel hair brush. :') Brilliant.

Mar 13 13 04:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,231
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


If Im shooting art nudes I dont need your MUA, your Hair stylist, your wardrobe stylist, your whatever the balls they do...
Likewise is Im shooting something that requires those things, Im probably hiring my own team, I dont need yours. If you dont feel comfortable with my team, we dont need to shoot.

There isnt a "compromise" that needs to be made. If you need a third party to hang around to make you feel safe/comfortable/whatever, you only work with photographers who will allow that. If you dont allow that on your set, then you only work with models who dont want to have an escort.


Its SO simple. Really.
Mar 13 13 04:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Swank Photography
Posts: 19,001
Key West, Florida, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
So much has been said I do not want to open the debate on escorts. However a new llama contacted me last week about a shoot and she eventually called me. She said she needed to bring an escort since it was a promise she had made to her overly worried father....as I was about to say no thanks...she said that her escort was an MUA and stylist. I checked the MUA's profile, it all looked quite good.
Win/win.
So I offer this idea to those ladies wanting/needing escorts. Make friends with an MUA or stylist. Make very good friends with one...or two.
Not many photographers would say no to this arrangement.

Honestly I do not mind an escort as long as they dont interfere with my shoot.

Mar 13 13 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Harris Photography
Posts: 495
Edison, New Jersey, US


Swank Photography wrote:
Honestly I do not mind an escort as long as they dont interfere with my shoot.
Laura UnBound wrote:
There isnt a "compromise" that needs to be made. If you need a third party to hang around to make you feel safe/comfortable/whatever, you only work with photographers who will allow that. If you dont allow that on your set, then you only work with models who dont want to have an escort.

I feel the same way. I don't know what may have happened with a model in her past that might make her wary. I can offer up references but if she's going to feel better with someone I'm fine, as long as they stay out of the way. I have worked with several models who brought escorts and no problems, so far.

Mar 13 13 06:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,752
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


Danielle Hieronimi wrote:

I don't understand why models insist on having someone present the entire shoot. I'm comfortable enough with having a male friend or my boyfriend drop me off and say hi to the photographer for a minute before coming by at the end of the shoot to pick me up.

I'm getting to like you more and more with each post you make.

Mar 13 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Reid
Posts: 4,080
Miami, Florida, US


I don't understand why a bodyguard is so hated. I personal travel alone everywhere I go (then again I live my life like a horror movie and secretly root for the bad guys). But there was a few shoots where I wish I had someone there to make the word NO more understanding to the creep. Yeah he had references too. I guess my red hair was a sign for DTF
Mar 13 13 06:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V for Victory Modeling
Posts: 436
Roseville, California, US


Swank Photography wrote:

Honestly I do not mind an escort as long as they dont interfere with my shoot.

+10

Mar 13 13 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,322
Salem, Oregon, US


why don't models just leave already when a photographer crosses that line?

Danielle Kitten wrote:
But there was a few shoots where I wish I had someone there to make the word NO more understanding to the creep.

Mar 13 13 07:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,571
Salinas, California, US


Invited guests that have been mutually accepted by myself and the model have never been a problem.  Not everyone is alike.  I either give the guest something to do OR I charge them for watching.  Paid for a lot of shoots that way!  wink

In addition, I have had MUA's at my photo shoots.  It's all good!
Mar 13 13 07:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,751
Imperial, California, US


So far, I've not had a problem with an "escort". I've had one girl bring a MUA, with wonderful results. I've had husbands, BF's, GF's, friends... But regarding a models actual safety the idea of a bodyguard is ludicrous, one more bullet is not a problem for someone with ill intentions.
Mar 13 13 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Happy Guy Photos
Posts: 1,128
Upland, California, US


I don't see a problem with models who need/want an llama herder (mua) with them during a shoot. I'm sure they'll be able to find someone who will shoot them. I pass on those models and shoot the ones who don't need someone with them.

I've never seen a problem with the llama herder issue. Models and photographers simply should shoot with those who they are compatible with.
Mar 13 13 08:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photo212grapher
Posts: 1,540
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


You'll never reach a compromise with those photographers who will never allow an escort. MUA, Hair Stylist, Wardrobe Stylist, or even a Hasselblad/Canon/Nikon rep giving away free equipment. Those photographers simply do not allow escorts in their studio. Do not attempt to find a compromise for them.

A MUA brings boxes for her make-up, and any one of those boxes could have a false bottom ready to claim the photographer's prized nifty-fifty sitting out in the open. Or the box could contain a tommy gun to hold up the photographer. No escorts means no escorts.

The rest of us appreciate a model who brings a MUA or hair stylist they know and trust to a shoot. One less thing for me to arrange. When Mom or a girlfriend is the one coming along, I put them in charge of watching for out of place hair or making adjustments to the clothing or jewelry. Fathers or boyfriends get a reflector to hold, but on an outdoor shoot, they get to carry the lightstands and sandbags. Everyone is happy. Others do not like this arrangement, and that is their choice. I'm happy to take their work from them.

Even adults tend to respect and listen to their parents - at least where I come from we do. We do not want them to worry, especially if we can avoid it. It is being an adult placing someone else's feelings ahead of your own. Adults do this.
Mar 13 13 08:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,231
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Danielle Kitten wrote:
I don't understand why a bodyguard is so hated. I personal travel alone everywhere I go (then again I live my life like a horror movie and secretly root for the bad guys). But there was a few shoots where I wish I had someone there to make the word NO more understanding to the creep. Yeah he had references too. I guess my red hair was a sign for DTF

They're hated because models brought shitty ones and gave them a bad name, same way shitty photographers gave photographers the stereotype of "dangerous creepy pervert who I need to be protected from"

Several of my friends have been robbed by escorts, some assaulted, one held at gun point, some escorts break your shit, whine about how bored they are, tell the model she's suddenly not allowed to do what the model and photographer agreed on, are otherwise disruptive, yadda yadda


If a photographer is supposed to believe the model when she says "oh my escort won't do that, they're really well behaved!" Then likewise the model should believe the photographer when they say "you don't need to be protected from me because I'm not going to do anything wrong"

Since neither party is willing to do that...they simply just don't work together, rather than hash out the "but why can't I do what I want even though its not what you want!?!?!?" Argument over and over and over.

Mar 13 13 09:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I wonder if her overly-worried father is calmed knowing an MUA/Stylist is acting as his daughter's protection?

Has the term "escort" become so bastardized that it now means anyone who accompanies the model to the shoot? An MUA is not an escort. A driver who delivers the model and leaves is not an escort. The entire purpose of an escort is for the model's protection in the oh-so-likely (if you listen to threads on here) event the photographer is dangerous.

What is the MUA going to do to protect daddy's daughter? Threaten the photographer with a camel-hair brush?

On another note...why is everyone looking for an escort compromise? Here's the compromise. If you require an escort to accompany you to our shoot, shoot with someone else. That's my compromise.

Actually, it does make sense...

If the problem isn't with the individual photographer, but with going alone to the shoot, or anywhere, then yes, an added person, even an MUA, makes a difference.

Just like if I say I'm going for a walk late at night by myself, people think that's a terrible idea, but if I'm going with friends, it's at least a little safer.

And it is. Because if you think going to a private location alone with a stranger is dangerous, then going with someone offers a little bit of protection. Bad things DO happen on shoots sometimes.

I'm not advocating escorts, here, but the logic isn't that hard to figure out.

Also, if the photographer is new to MM, doesn't have models tagged, hasn't worked with anyone you know... How do you check references? I know that doesn't apply to most in this thread, but it does apply to a lot of photographers.

It's another reason why more experienced models never need escorts-- because we are working with the more experienced photographers.

Mar 13 13 09:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,368
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Danielle Kitten wrote:
I don't understand why a bodyguard is so hated. I personal travel alone everywhere I go (then again I live my life like a horror movie and secretly root for the bad guys). But there was a few shoots where I wish I had someone there to make the word NO more understanding to the creep. Yeah he had references too. I guess my red hair was a sign for DTF

An escort is one thing but unless you are Madonna or Lil kim I would be less inclined to work with someone who brings a bodyguard.

I shoot with minors -- they bring their mom. No problem. One time I had a model bring both her mother and her father. I thought that was a little odd but they were awesome and did not interfere at all. I think the model might have been 14 or 15 and the agency told me that her mother was driving her.

But bodyguard. Yeah. We ain't shootin unless you're a celebrity or you're paying me enough to deal with the drama.

Mar 13 13 10:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SG-4 Photography
Posts: 120
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I wonder if her overly-worried father is calmed knowing an MUA/Stylist is acting as his daughter's protection?

Has the term "escort" become so bastardized that it now means anyone who accompanies the model to the shoot? An MUA is not an escort. A driver who delivers the model and leaves is not an escort. The entire purpose of an escort is for the model's protection in the oh-so-likely (if you listen to threads on here) event the photographer is dangerous.

What is the MUA going to do to protect daddy's daughter? Threaten the photographer with a camel-hair brush?

On another note...why is everyone looking for an escort compromise? Here's the compromise. If you require an escort to accompany you to our shoot, shoot with someone else. That's my compromise.

A fitting compromise indeed.  I shoot all my newbies in a well known studio and models who ask to bring an escort are always given the same compromise, shoot with someone else.

Mar 13 13 10:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Decay of Memory
Posts: 579
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I eagerly clicked on this thread because of the promise of the title. I had high hopes that the persistent and vexing question of escorts had finally been solved.

It seems I was optimistic. This is nothing but a ploy to get more work for MUAs.

Once again my hopes have been dashed.
Mar 14 13 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
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