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Rick OBanion Photo wrote: That is a great compromise and completely in line with my own policies. No one not directly involved in the shoot should be there. If they can't get their boyfriends/husbands to loosen the leash, then I really don't want to deal with the drama they bring. If they want a MUAH, then I will be more than happy to recommend a few that they can hire. Mar 14 13 07:45 am Link Danielle Kitten wrote: I don't either. I have my friend and bodyguard Bubba stand behind me with his AK47 while I do shoots. If the model brought her own bodyguard/escort, Bubba keeps his weapon trained on that person. I find it provides a nice, relaxed, safe environment for everyone. Mar 14 13 07:58 am Link Decay of Memory wrote: I'll see you Tuesday for our support group. Mar 14 13 07:59 am Link Escorts are a crutch, and a bad one. Using escorts, even for a new model, just delays them learning how to background/reference check a photographer and separate out the class acts from the creeps. It also retards their new career as it limits the pool of photographers they can work with - and the photographers they lose are the better and more experienced ones. My sense is, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy - bring an escort - shoot with creeps - feel even more justified in bringing an escort. Mar 14 13 08:15 am Link i tell the models they can bring thier mom, cousin, aunt best gal friend for their comfort, and they can also help by holding a reflector... seems to work pretty good for the most part. try it, you might like it edit... miost of my shoot are out doors so reflectors are def used Mar 14 13 08:27 am Link George ephrem wrote: Escorts are much easier to deal with outdoors, when they're not taking your stuff (or messing with it), breaking things in your studio room or causing police disturbances. Mar 14 13 08:29 am Link Just my two cents, from both model and photographer point of view: The term "escort" alone anymore causes such a big issue. The sad part is, a great deal of people- not just models- will want an escort because of how many people in this industry are not actual professionals or in this to become professionals. The number of "creepers" anymore today is outstanding. And so many female models will bring jealous husbands/boyfriends/spouses or intrusive friends that that alone will make a photographer not want escorts around, besides anything else that may occur. Personally, it depends on how far I'm traveling and what the shoot entails, and if we were able to have a meet and greet (which is very rare, as well, nowadays) as to whether or not I'll have someone with me - and it's all discussed prior to. For example, I can do basic makeup, but if they want out there, high fashion makeup, then I'll have one of my MUAs with me. If it's a shoot that's three hours away from me, and I've never worked with the photographer before, I'll bring a fellow trusted model with me. Regardless of the situation- I never bring anyone who would intrude upon the shoot, give me faces, give the photographer trouble, etc. I have yet to have a complaint about the way I work. Like my situation right now- I just got done have surgery. I'm not supposed to be driving for six weeks. I got the okay to ease myself back into shooting, but I still have a three week time period of no driving- therefore, I need to have a way to get to the shoot. It's not me being "Oh no! I feel so unsafe! I need a bodyguard!" It's me wanting to be able to do my shoot. Same thing goes for when I'm on the other side of the camera. I'm fine with the model bringing someone along with them- provided they don't disturb the shoot, and often times, they may be asked to assist with equipment. I do ask the model to inform me if they do plan to bring someone, just so I know what to expect, but I never flat out tell them no, they are not allowed to bring anyone with them. I even suggest to them that if they have a model or MUA friend, bring them. And the models are made away that if the escort or themselves step out of line, then the shoot is over. It's pretty much up to individual taste. As others have said- work with those who click with you. Mar 14 13 12:15 pm Link K I C K H A M wrote: No, I understand the logic behind it. I just don't think it makes sense when you think it through. We know the escort is for the model's belief that she's protected from a potentially dangerous photographer. OK, so let's look at the second group of "add-on" people...the model's female friend. Mar 14 13 12:31 pm Link KonstantKarma wrote: It just seems to go on and on with no light at the end of the tunnel. It's having a bad effect on me mentally. Mar 14 13 01:33 pm Link Hell, I've had models ask if they can bring an escort who ended up showing up alone anyway. Basically, my "yes" to their escort question was enough to make them feel comfortable to shoot alone with me. But really, the more of these "escort" threads I read, the more I realize that photographers and models are both too goddamn paranoid. "The photographer might rape me!" "The escort might rob me and beat me up!" For chrissake, how do you people find the courage to go outside? Mar 14 13 05:00 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Actually yeah it would. I mean it wouldn't thwart a serial killer or anything but it would help thwart some pervy douche who wanted to hit on the model or try to convince the model to get "nekkid" after she has already stated she doesn't want to do that. Mar 14 13 05:15 pm Link Rick OBanion Photo wrote: My issue with this personally Rick is I already have a team I work with. I am not saying you were not a good guy for working with this young lady and I hope you got some great images. Vetting your business associates is the best "solution" Mar 14 13 05:31 pm Link ontherocks wrote: The temptation of free pretty pictures over-ride the logic of common sense? Mar 14 13 11:36 pm Link how is this thread not like all the other 4,500,294 escort threads on MM? Mar 15 13 12:19 am Link Decay of Memory wrote: It did nothing to increase your reading comprehension either. Mar 15 13 12:28 am Link Rick OBanion Photo wrote: It was intended to be remedial? Mar 15 13 07:59 am Link What if the MUAH happens to be a family member? My sister is a licensed cosmetologist. She hasn't been with me to every shoot, so far only one, with another planned for next month (with the same photographer though). Either way, I don't bring my boyfriend or a male figure as my "escort" unless it's a shoot with one of our friends that happens to do photography as a hobby, and they've known each other way before then anyway. Right now since I don't drive, I "require" an escort most of the time, and unless there is something for them to do nearby they are going to stick close to the shooting location. They're never up in the business of the photo shoot though. But if the photographer still doesn't agree with that, that's fine, and we both move on to find different people to work with. Mar 15 13 08:33 am Link There isn't any reason for an llama herder especially if you are working with a full team. But yes, that is a compromise. Mar 15 13 08:37 am Link Here's my compromise: The model can bring a female escort. It's a win-win because it has been my experience that the friend or sister is often "nude-curious" and will sometimes join in posing, or come back on her own to pose. Mar 15 13 12:00 pm Link Decay of Memory wrote: Anything would be at this point. Mar 15 13 07:42 pm Link I had a model, give me the "Can I bring an MUA as an escort" line. Because I never met her, or hadnt known her through mutual friends, I said she could. Turned out her 'MUA', was her Mother. From now on, I wanna see the MUA's book/website before agreeing to something like this. Mar 15 13 07:52 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Whoooo Hooooo Mar 15 13 07:57 pm Link Rick OBanion Photo wrote: Undoubtedly. Mar 15 13 08:09 pm Link IBL  Mar 15 13 08:22 pm Link Since an MUA is not an escort, it's not a compromise of any kind. Mar 16 13 04:29 am Link Danielle Hieronimi wrote: Thankfully, you are part of the vast majority of models that use a driver. It is a very sensible safety precaution that;s quite effective. Mar 16 13 04:31 am Link Danielle Kitten wrote: I you REALLY don't understand, then you haven't been paying attention. Danielle Kitten wrote: That explains a lot. Mar 16 13 04:33 am Link Patchouli Nyx wrote: And how are the current active threads about pubic hair different than all the other times that it's been discussed? Mar 16 13 04:36 am Link Brianne Leary wrote: That would be a driver, not an escort. Mar 16 13 04:38 am Link R Byron Johnson wrote: No...it wouldn't. Mar 16 13 04:41 am Link First question agencies ask for TF work is "is there a make-up artist?". Some internet models seem very keen to do their own make-up. There's a danger of a photographer ending up paying for a family to have a make-over session, rather than a clear-headed, focused model coming to work for someone else. Sending a second model or mua to a nude or implied shoot, or in a stranger's house, is reasonable. Armed boyfriend's grandmother who can't shut up, is not. If I were a model, I would be wanting a make-up artist at every shoot, I'm not here for the money, but for the creativity, so my portfolio would be more important than bringing my family. I'd want the next pictures to take me to the next level. If you really need a security guard instead of a mua or company, is that really worth the trouble for pictures, which might not even be useful for your portfolio? Mar 16 13 04:59 am Link Image K wrote: Then do it. Seriously. I get tired of people making such exaggerated anecdotal claims and never backing them up. So yes, please show me these "hundreds of posts", not just one or two. Mar 18 13 01:30 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: If anyone says "safety" in the same sentence as "escort" then they don't work with me. Period. If someone says "I need a ride from my friend" then that's fine, "safe" no. Mar 18 13 01:36 pm Link Andrew Thomas Evans wrote: Eh, I think you're just taking it too damn personally. It would seem pretty stupid for a model to be more concerned about hurting the poor photographer's feelings than with her own safety. Mar 18 13 01:47 pm Link R Byron Johnson wrote: I'm not too worried about hurting models feelings. Mar 18 13 01:51 pm Link I shoot mostly fetish, and more often than not it's in a hotel room. I've never had a fetish model ask to bring an escort. Never. And they are at the greatest risk, right? I mean, what with meeting a creepy old photographer (who is old enough in most cases be their father) in a hotel room, and then he's going to tie them up? Damn. It's amazing any of them live past the 2nd or 3rd shoot. The first time I did a shoot in a hotel room, I asked the model beforehand if she wanted a MUA; her reply was "Won't another person just be in the way?". She was right. My compromise is to not shoot with models who demand an escort, nor do I belittle them for it. Mar 18 13 02:26 pm Link Andrew Thomas Evans wrote: Then you likewise shouldn't expect them too worry about offending you either. Mar 18 13 03:30 pm Link My compromise: If you and your escort would like to take me out for sushi so I can get to know him/her. I might be open to allowing them if they are cool and stay out of the way.  Mar 18 13 03:33 pm Link R Byron Johnson wrote: I've posted them repeatedly. Do a search, seriously, and you will find them. Mar 19 13 03:01 am Link R Byron Johnson wrote: A little defensive much? Mar 19 13 03:01 am Link |
