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Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 362
Odenton, Maryland, US


I have a question. I post asking for legit advice on my imagery (i.e. how others would have lit the image, retouched it, how others would have posed the llama, etc.) Yet I only get one or two photographers and llamas offer anything sound.

Yet when someone says, "Let me rate your curves!" or "How hot are you on a 1-10 scale?!" People flock to these posts in droves, most never even get an answer because so many respond with, "Do me please!!!"

What do you gain? If I think a llama is beautiful, there will be another who thinks she's not. If I like a photographers work, someone out there will hate it. It's life. What do you gain from someone saying, "I think you're a 7.5 out of 10."

Recent Edit - Somehow the word "model" got replaced by "llama." As hilarious as this is, anyone know how that happens?
Mar 15 13 07:22 am  Link  Quote 
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,169
Los Angeles, California, US


Why are you posting your Rant here? This is about Critiques...Do we have your permission...since your in Critiques...to Critique YOU?

IBTL!!!
Mar 15 13 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Decay of Memory
Posts: 572
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I'm giving the op 2.5 out of 10 for grammar and clarity of writing but nothing more as there's no offer of or request for critique in the post.
Mar 15 13 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 362
Odenton, Maryland, US


DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Why are you posting your Rant here? This is about Critiques...Do we have your permission...since your in Critiques...to Critique YOU?

IBTL!!!

Yes you may! Hell, my "rant" comes from the lack of critique anyways!

In the spirit of critique, I love the lighting on your images and hope to one day learn to achieve it.

Also, it's "you're." as in, "do we have you're permission...since you're in Critiques..."

Also....what does IBTL mean?

Mar 15 13 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ron Spackman
Posts: 209
High River, Alberta, Canada


I've often wondered the same thing, OP. What a sad comment on the fragility of those responding!
Mar 15 13 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,512
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I don't who needs a rating when you want feedback you can actually act on.  As for IBTL its In Before The Lock, usually when a thread is in the wrong forum and people think its going to get locked by a mod.

As for your own work, I see a very broad mix of quality.  Some of your images look planned and others look more like a snapshot.  You need to be more selective about your book, keep it to the best.

Like the last few of the male model, these look like you have ideas in mind and got what you wanted.  Some of the others look more like a "this is what I saw" as opposed to "this is how I see the world"

Hope that helps a little and makes sense.
Mar 15 13 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S K E L E T O N K E Y
Posts: 2,110
Louth, England, United Kingdom


I like to request critiques from people whose work I admire, or advice I can learn from, but the ratings threads are usually a bit of fun.

I currently have a rating thread going on, It's 2 years old, but I like to go on when I've got a bit of free time/bored etc and actually do try to give some good advice if I can.  Sure some peoples' work aren't to my taste when they could be to others, but most people who do those type of threads that i do, make it fairly clear that it they don't just think their opinion is gold.
Mar 15 13 07:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan Dozer
Posts: 552
La Quinta, California, US


Hi Brandon,

Regarding your work, I have a couple of comments. 

Lighting balance - On those images of yours that have higher contrast, on my monitor it seems that they either have highlights that are too light or shadows that are too dark with not quite enough detail.  I struggle with this myself a lot also.  Many of your images look to be with bright natural light which is difficult to control if you are using direct sunlight.  You might want to consider experimenting more with either trying to difuse the light a little with light diffusion type of fabric, or reflectors on the dark sides to pull up the shadows a little so you can turn down the highlights in your final images.

Going the opposite direction, an awkward example to me is the color image of the model on the floor in your Graffitti Warehouse series.  She is obvioulsy lit with sunlight from the left, yet you have bright light on her face from the right side which seems offsetting to me.

One other suggestion on converging/diverging lines - one of the Graffitti Warehouse series images of the model at the piano has the window frames diverging out towards the upper right of the image.  This is beause you were shooting down a little bit towards the model.  If you intended this, then that's fine.  However, I feel that the image might look a litte better if the window frames were all vertical.  Two ways to address this.  First, you could have zoomed out a little, had the camera shooting straight horizontal, and cropped a little out of the top of the image, or second, you can try to correct it in photoshop. 

Hope this helps
Mar 15 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
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GoldRoseMedia
Posts: 2,937
NORTH BRUNSWICK, New Jersey, US


The reason most people do not give in depth critiques is because it's a lot of work. I would have to spend at least 5-10 minutes examining your portfolio in detail and coming up with suggestions, then another 10-15 minutes to write them up. That is a significant investment of time to write a critique which the OP might not even read, much less appreciate. It is far easier to just say, "You're a 7.5!" That only takes two seconds to write and all I need to do it is a 10-second glance at your portfolio.
Mar 15 13 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 362
Odenton, Maryland, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
I don't who needs a rating when you want feedback you can actually act on.  As for IBTL its In Before The Lock, usually when a thread is in the wrong forum and people think its going to get locked by a mod.

As for your own work, I see a very broad mix of quality.  Some of your images look planned and others look more like a snapshot.  You need to be more selective about your book, keep it to the best.

Like the last few of the male model, these look like you have ideas in mind and got what you wanted.  Some of the others look more like a "this is what I saw" as opposed to "this is how I see the world"

Hope that helps a little and makes sense.

You know what, that actually does make sense, and it's simple. "some look like snapshot, others look planned."

Thanks!

Mar 15 13 08:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 362
Odenton, Maryland, US


GoldRoseMedia wrote:
The reason most people do not give in depth critiques is because it's a lot of work. I would have to spend at least 5-10 minutes examining your portfolio in detail and coming up with suggestions, then another 10-15 minutes to write them up. That is a significant investment of time to write a critique which the OP might not even read, much less appreciate. It is far easier to just say, "You're a 7.5!" That only takes two seconds to write and all I need to do it is a 10-second glance at your portfolio.

Maybe I didn't elaborate on my original post. I get bugged when people flock to have their looks and curves evaluated by some random person as if it matters. Some model, who was not very good, was getting hundreds of models to ask for approval. She was quite brash, saying things like, "you're not a model. just a person who got a picture taken."

I understand opinions are opinions, but none of it matters. If you're a model or a photographer, you always a student in your craft and pursue your own way of performing it. Someone out there will love it, others will not. But why ask someone how they feel about your curves? If I described the hottest girl in the world, someone else would totally disagree, because there is something out there for everyone.

Sorry about ranting. I just get bugged that people get critiqued on things that they can't help or do not matter, rather than focus on where they can improve.

Mar 15 13 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
Model
BethanyKay
Posts: 139
West Jordan, Utah, US


Square Jaw, I like your work. It's creative, and seems well thought out. Not just snapshots of pretty girls who are standing there doing nothing.

I completely agree with your original post.  I think as artists we're all searching for some kind of approval for all our hard work, and it seems going to the "rate" threads will give you some kind of "high" if someone approves of you.  It really is silly, but it's human nature.  But to go look at someone else's work and make the effort to give them your time and effort by helping them critique their work is much less selfish and more giving, not as much what human nature leans toward.  So yes, it's annoying, but it makes sense to me.
Mar 15 13 08:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Square Jaw Photography wrote:
I have a question. I post asking for legit advice on my imagery (i.e. how others would have lit the image, retouched it, how others would have posed the model, etc.) Yet I only get one or two photographers and models offer anything sound.

Yet when someone says, "Let me rate your curves!" or "How hot are you on a 1-10 scale?!" People flock to these posts in droves, most never even get an answer because so many respond with, "Do me please!!!"

What do you gain? If I think a model is beautiful, there will be another who thinks she's not. If I like a photographers work, someone out there will hate it. It's life. What do you gain from someone saying, "I think you're a 7.5 out of 10."

In the scenario you're describing you're posting an image of YOURS and asking for a critique of something you produced.

In those "rate me" threads, the OP is promising a "return on investment" to the posters. For the same reason you want others to talk about your work in a critique thread, in a 'ratings' thread, the OP is saying he/she will talk about THEM.

We all want to hear what others thing about US...and vanity and ego is at the heart of those threads and why they succeed.

Think about it. You're basically asking why others are more interested in hearing what others think about themselves than talking about your work.

Mar 15 13 08:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 362
Odenton, Maryland, US


Dan Dozer wrote:
Hi Brandon,

Regarding your work, I have a couple of comments. 

Lighting balance - On those images of yours that have higher contrast, on my monitor it seems that they either have highlights that are too light or shadows that are too dark with not quite enough detail.  I struggle with this myself a lot also.  Many of your images look to be with bright natural light which is difficult to control if you are using direct sunlight.  You might want to consider experimenting more with either trying to difuse the light a little with light diffusion type of fabric, or reflectors on the dark sides to pull up the shadows a little so you can turn down the highlights in your final images.

Going the opposite direction, an awkward example to me is the color image of the model on the floor in your Graffitti Warehouse series.  She is obvioulsy lit with sunlight from the left, yet you have bright light on her face from the right side which seems offsetting to me.

One other suggestion on converging/diverging lines - one of the Graffitti Warehouse series images of the model at the piano has the window frames diverging out towards the upper right of the image.  This is beause you were shooting down a little bit towards the model.  If you intended this, then that's fine.  However, I feel that the image might look a litte better if the window frames were all vertical.  Two ways to address this.  First, you could have zoomed out a little, had the camera shooting straight horizontal, and cropped a little out of the top of the image, or second, you can try to correct it in photoshop. 

Hope this helps

Wow! Ask you you shall recieve. Probably the most detailed critique I've gotten.

I love your work by the way. You really do know what you are doing and I aspire to get there soon.

Yes, I tend to blast the contrast in post-production, primarily because I just love contrast. Extremely basic, yet powerful. Sometimes too overpowering I quess.

Thank you for your response and I will apply some of your suggestions and see how my images turn out!

Mar 15 13 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jorge Kreimer
Posts: 2,255
Los Angeles, California, US


For entertainment value only.

Why should I take anything here seriously?

I experience a perverse pleasure when someone whose work is obviously inferior to mine, criticizes my port negatively. smile
Mar 15 13 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
_eMMe_
Posts: 842
Florence, Toscana, Italy


I really don't understand the question. This threads can be usefull and are just FUN. And they make people looking at your page, it's free publicity.
Mar 16 13 07:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Square Jaw Photography wrote:
Yes you may! Hell, my "rant" comes from the lack of critique anyways!

In the spirit of critique, I love the lighting on your images and hope to one day learn to achieve it.

Also, it's "you're." as in, "do we have you're permission...since you're in Critiques..."

Also....what does IBTL mean?

Your "you're" example doesn't make sense either. It'd be "do we have your permission since you're in critiques". Don't correct unless you're on top of it too.

Mar 16 13 09:42 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Now for the answer to your question. IT IS FUN. Sometimes we just like to know that stuff.

Now for your critique. Do not crop elbows and buttocks out of shots. It looks odd. Work on your light and editing. It feels a little harsh and overdone.
Mar 16 13 09:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ImpactFoto
Posts: 457
San Diego, California, US


Square Jaw Photography wrote:
"Also, it's "you're." as in, "do we have you're permission...since you're in Critiques..."

Nope.  'You're' is a contraction for 'you are'.  The possessive word (something belonging to you) is 'your'.

Mar 16 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 9,069
Santa Barbara, California, US


These "I will rate your port" threads here on MM are nothing but a fun quick fix of how our work is initially perceived with forum regulars.

I on the other hand look at it as a gauge of who and what kind of talent is looking at my work here and many times I look at theirs and laugh for them rating ME with their inferior skills, lol.

It's all subjective and just good fun, nothing else so don't get your panties in a bunch over it tongue
Mar 16 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 362
Odenton, Maryland, US


Yeah, I can get that it can be fun. Maybe I expected too much of this site. I had hoped for like-minded individuals who attended this site for improvement, collaboration, and passion. I figured I'd save the fun stuff for Facebook or some other thread.

And my bust on that "you're" call-out! I'm a huge grammar nazi, and that just made me look like a freaking idiot.
Mar 16 13 11:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
255 West
Posts: 6,468
New York, New York, US


Ron Spackman wrote:
I've often wondered the same thing, OP. What a sad comment on the fragility of those responding!

Yes, I've wondered as well ... however, if this forum is set up just  for yuks, as some have suggested, then okay, the goofieness is fine.

Mar 17 13 04:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 9,069
Santa Barbara, California, US


Just so you know there is a "serious critique" thread you can try if you're looking for more honest  and detailed opinions.
The regular critique like I said is general and more casual, a Critique Light in comparison.
Mar 17 13 02:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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