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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Out of curiousity I have been doing a little more research about blondes not being taken seriously in commercial work.  Check out this YouTube video. It specifically addresses blondes in commercials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k60xir2aBI0

I am sure we have all seen similar commercials.  Do you recall commercials like these being cast with brunettes? Do you know of any commercials that cast blondes in serious roles?

I know I can't change this...but this does seem to be supported by the roles for blondes versus brunettes in casting calls that I see.

It would be nice to hear from other blonde commercial models if you see the same thing I see.

This is interesting food for thought. It seems like the blonde stereotype is indeed alive and well in commercial casting.  This is just my perception...I am open to other POV.
Mar 18 13 09:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rieni Otten
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Vector One Photography wrote:
In don't usually shoot blondes for three reasons. First, blondes are a dime a dozen. Second, most of the time it's a color not found on human beings. But third and most important, most blondes I have seen have over processed their hair and it looks like straw. Dried out, no sheen, usually flies away and with no body. If you are going to color it, take care of it.

+1

Last year I booked a blonde model, hair looked perfect in her portfolio. But just before the shoot she dyed/bleached it so on my photos it looks like crap. Next time this happens I'll put them on the first train back home and not waste any time and energy on shooting with them. Why can't they just leave their hair alone.

Mar 19 13 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rieni Otten
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Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


Misty R H wrote:
Out of curiousity I have been doing a little more research about blondes not being taken seriously in commercial work.

Misty has it always been like this for you? I agree with Vector One Photography; "First, blondes are a dime a dozen.". There really was a time that almost all models were blonde and models with dark/black hair were hard to find, and many of them felt that blonde models were more popular. So maybe this is just the pendulum swinging the other way.

Mar 19 13 08:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Rieni Otten wrote:

+1

Last year I booked a blonde model, hair looked perfect in her portfolio. But just before the shoot she dyed/bleached it so on my photos it looks like crap. Next time this happens I'll put them on the first train back home and not waste any time and energy on shooting with them. Why can't they just leave their hair alone.

Each model is different.  Not all blondes over process their hair.  You can run into models that fall short of expectations with all hair types.  If you stereotype anyone rather than judging them on their individual merits you miss out on working with many great people.

Mar 19 13 08:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Rieni Otten wrote:
Misty has it always been like this for you? I agree with Vector One Photography; "First, blondes are a dime a dozen.". There really was a time that almost all models were blonde and models with dark/black hair were hard to find, and many of them felt that blonde models were more popular. So maybe this is just the pendulum swinging the other way.

No I have not always felt this way.  I have just been noticing alot of casting calls for mainstream commercial work that request "no blondes".  This has become quite frequent so I posted this thread to see if other commercial models have noticed this too.

As to blondes being "a dime a dozen" that really isn't what this thread is about.  Blondes are not rare by any means, but they are less plentiful than brunettes, but this is neither here nor there.  It is not about the number of blondes/brunettes...it is about the perception of them.

When you mention the pendulum swinging the other way, this may be true when it comes to fashion/glamour models but it does not appear to be true for commercial models. It looks like blondes are as well represented as brunettes  in fashion/glamour work.  The dis-proportion I am talking is for commercial work.

Blonde jokes, phrases like "dumb blondes", "blonde bombshell" have been around for decades.  It seems like these perceptions are still alive and well today when it comes to casting commercials.  Blondes seem to be picked for the "sexy", "ditzy", "shallow", "plastic" non serious commercial roles. But from the casting calls I see "no blondes" seems to be common when casting the more serious roles like a good mother, business executive, lawyer, insurance agent, responsible pet owner.

I think it can be said the pendulum is swinging the other way when the ditzy, sexy, shallow, plastic parts are not just being played by blondes.  And when you see blondes being more frequently cast in serious parts in commercials such as good mothers, business executives and so on.

Keep in mind that I am not saying that brunettes should be now be the "ditzy" ones and blondes the "serious" parts. Ditzy and serious roles will always be around and that is fine, but a person's hair color shouldn't be the main guide of which role they can do.

Mar 19 13 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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DaniNikole
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Sacramento, California, US


Also most brunettes I know color their hair so it has some sort of "dimension" so they do get roots as well. Upkeep on hair growth is like if a model takes care of their nails, they all should take care of their hair and nails

As far as eyebrows most need some sort of fill with make up and help with shape. I think most dark eyebrows are mismatched make up rather than a problem with the hair. Unless they dramatically changed their hair color which I don't think most people do because it wouldn't match their skin tone well, but in that case they should be coloring their brows at a salon as well
Mar 19 13 09:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rieni Otten
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Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


Misty R H wrote:

Each model is different.  Not all blondes over process their hair.  You can run into models that fall short of expectations with all hair types.  If you stereotype anyone rather than judging them on their individual merits you miss out on working with many great people.

Let me put it this way... many models change their hair color and when they change it from dark to blonde, often it just doesn't look blonde, but white, or dead. In fact it is dead because bleaching kills. You don't color your hair blond by adding color to it, but by killing the color that was in it. When a naturally blond girl changes her color to black or red, it is done by adding color rather than killing anything, and usually it still looks ok, if not awesome.

I do not not book blond models, in fact I'm checking out the port of a blond model right now, but I'll definitely am more careful after a few incidents and do now require that they don't change their hair before the shoot, and if they still do, I'll reserve the right to not work with them once they show up for the shoot. But normally this shouldn't need to be said to a model, every model should know that she gets booked for her looks and that she should show up on paid shoots looking exactly the same as in her portfolio. I'm not talking about TF shoots here.

Mar 19 13 09:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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DaniNikole
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Sacramento, California, US


After working at a hair salon I can tell you you can't say every blonde or that most, or even a good portion Are going to have fried hair. Every time i set foot into a salon, the stylist comments about how soft my hair is, and i color my hair every two weeks. i also deep condition my hair as well as skip shampooing it every other day as well as do oil treatments. My hair was more damaged when it was red than it is now.
Mar 19 13 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
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Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


Misty R H wrote:
Out of curiousity I have been doing a little more research about blondes not being taken seriously in commercial work.  Check out this YouTube video. It specifically addresses blondes in commercials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k60xir2aBI0

I am sure we have all seen similar commercials.  Do you recall commercials like these being cast with brunettes? Do you know of any commercials that cast blondes in serious roles?

I know I can't change this...but this does seem to be supported by the roles for blondes versus brunettes in casting calls that I see.

It would be nice to hear from other blonde commercial models if you see the same thing I see.

This is interesting food for thought. It seems like the blonde stereotype is indeed alive and well in commercial casting.  This is just my perception...I am open to other POV.

curious, what's a "serious commercial"?

Mar 19 13 10:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
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Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


Dani Nikole Feist wrote:
After working at a hair salon I can tell you you can't say every blonde or that most, or even a good portion Are going to have fried hair. Every time i set foot into a salon, the stylist comments about how soft my hair is, and i color my hair every two weeks. i also deep condition my hair as well as skip shampooing it every other day as well as do oil treatments. My hair was more damaged when it was red than it is now.

yes but the majority of people (even those who don't dye their hair) don't take care of their hair the way you describe here smile.

in my own personal experience, half the people who dye their hair blonde:
*it all has one colour. looks like a  helmet
*they don't get it done at a salon, but do it at home with a kit (which explains why it's one block of colour)
*do it every 6-8 weeks or so, and usually you can see their own colour already growing out for half that period of time
*have a shade of blonde that doesn't quite fit their skintone, which usually means that it's too light and/or yellow.

the other half are women who get it done at a salon and maintain it really well, but that comes with a cost (literally). those women are usually at least in their 30's and are well-groomed in general, not just their hair.

but average jane walking in the street? yeah i'd say the blonde fried hair stereotype fits...

Mar 19 13 11:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Yosh Studio
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Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:
yeah but the majority of people (even those who don't die their hair) don't take care of their hair the way you describe here smile.

in my own personal experience, half the people who die their hair blonde:
*it all has one colour. looks like a  helmet
*they don't get it done at a salon, but do it at home with a kit (which explains why it's one block of colour)
*do it every 6-7 weeks or so, and usually you can see their own colour already growing out for half that period of time
*have a shade of blonde that doesn't quite fit their skintone, which usually means that it's too light and/or yellow.

the other half are women who get it done at a salon and maintain it really well, but that comes with a cost (literally). those women are usually at least in their 30's and are well-groomed in general, not just their hair.

but average jane walking in the street? yeah i'd say the blonde fried hair stereotype fits...

Spot on! Almost verbatim what I have heard from LA agencies

Mar 19 13 11:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zack Zoll
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Glens Falls, New York, US


Misty R H wrote:
Each model is different.  Not all blondes over process their hair.  You can run into models that fall short of expectations with all hair types.  If you stereotype anyone rather than judging them on their individual merits you miss out on working with many great people.

That is true.  Then again, the Devil's Advocate position might be that you're making a stereotype about the various casting directors you've dealt with, or that as a photographer I just want to see boobies, or any number of things.

Most stereotypes originate with good reason.  They may not be good reasons anymore, but most of them had some sort of basis in reality at some point.  And maybe they're not accurate based on everyone, so much as the people in the public eye.  For instance, for every Kim Novak in the 1950s, there were five Marilyn Monroes.  And I wouldn't doubt that a large amount of amateur male portrait photographers do just want to see boobies.

I'm no sociology expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if you told me the stereotype of blondes in the industry started when however many flaky, talentless, starry-eyed girls bleached their hair and went to Hollywood thinking they would be the next Marilyn.

Dani Nikole Feist wrote:
After working at a hair salon I can tell you you can't say every blonde or that most, or even a good portion Are going to have fried hair. Every time i set foot into a salon, the stylist comments about how soft my hair is, and i color my hair every two weeks. i also deep condition my hair as well as skip shampooing it every other day as well as do oil treatments. My hair was more damaged when it was red than it is now.

I think your 'average' dye jobber probably doesn't go to the salon every time they need a touch up, and doesn't spend as much time on their hair as you do.  I know I sure as hell didn't when I was blonder.

Don't judge.  It was the 90s sad

Mar 19 13 11:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:

curious, what's a "serious commercial"?

It is not as much about the commercial being serious as to the parts in the commercial.  There are serious or realistic parts like someone selling insurance or a "real" person in a pharmaceutical commercial or a computer.  Then there are "character" parts like the blonde in the Trop 50 commercial that is happy that her friends thinks she has had work done.  Or the chattering girl friend that thinks her boyfriend is proposing because the car stops in front of an engagement ring store when he is simply having car problems.

From what I see blondes tend to cast in the character roles that are ditzy, sexy, shallow or plastic in disproportionate numbers to brunettes.

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Anna Adrielle
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Misty R H wrote:

It is not as much about the commercial being serious as to the parts in the commercial.  There are serious or realistic parts like someone selling insurance or a "real" person in a pharmaceutical commercial or a computer.  Then there are "character" parts like the blonde in the Trop 50 commercial that is happy that her friends thinks she has had work done.  Or the chattering girl friend that thinks her boyfriend is proposing because the car stops in front of an engagement ring store when he is simply having car problems.

From what I see blondes tend to cast in the character roles that are ditzy, sexy, shallow or plastic in disproportionate numbers to brunettes.

I'm not denying there are stereotypes about blondes and brunettes being used in commercials, but I don't think it's that bad (at least not here). I also think (again, that's how it is here) that the ratio between "serious" commercials and "non-serious character parts" commercials is like 50/50, and probably leaning more towards the "non serious" commercials anyway.
So I doubt it has any real effect on work opportunities... just on the type of work. but work is work right smile? brunettes probably have the same feeling you do all the time as well of "oh man I woud have been perfect for that job, why do they want a blonde!"

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Rieni Otten
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Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


Anna Adrielle wrote:
yes but the majority of people (even those who don't dye their hair) don't take care of their hair the way you describe here smile.

in my own personal experience, half the people who dye their hair blonde:
*it all has one colour. looks like a  helmet
*they don't get it done at a salon, but do it at home with a kit (which explains why it's one block of colour)
*do it every 6-8 weeks or so, and usually you can see their own colour already growing out for half that period of time
*have a shade of blonde that doesn't quite fit their skintone, which usually means that it's too light and/or yellow.

the other half are women who get it done at a salon and maintain it really well, but that comes with a cost (literally). those women are usually at least in their 30's and are well-groomed in general, not just their hair.

but average jane walking in the street? yeah i'd say the blonde fried hair stereotype fits...

Sorry but the healthiest hair you find on the heads of women who never color it, and wash it bi-daily instead of daily. And many would agree that artificial blond hair just doesn't look right most of the time. Why is it that some women just have to mess up their hair somehow? Coloring and extensions, it all destroys it and once it's destroyed they'll even use more chemicals on it, attempting to recover it. I know so many models who destroyed their hair to the point where it can't be recovered anymore.

Mar 20 13 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Rachel-Elise  wrote:

What I've seen quite frequently, actually throughout my life, is that blondes are much more often portrayed as the "bad" or "mean" girl... or, yes, the "ditz."

You are not alone.

I see the bad or mean girl.  This is common for male blondes.  Very light blonde males tend to be cast as bad.  Think of Lucius Malfoy in Harry Potter.  There are other examples too.

Mar 20 13 08:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:
yes but the majority of people (even those who don't dye their hair) don't take care of their hair the way you describe here smile.

in my own personal experience, half the people who dye their hair blonde:
*it all has one colour. looks like a  helmet
*they don't get it done at a salon, but do it at home with a kit (which explains why it's one block of colour)
*do it every 6-8 weeks or so, and usually you can see their own colour already growing out for half that period of time
*have a shade of blonde that doesn't quite fit their skintone, which usually means that it's too light and/or yellow.

the other half are women who get it done at a salon and maintain it really well, but that comes with a cost (literally). those women are usually at least in their 30's and are well-groomed in general, not just their hair.

but average jane walking in the street? yeah i'd say the blonde fried hair stereotype fits...

Yes, indeed there are bad dye jobs out there, but as a blonde that takes good care of my hair I have to say it really sucks that I won't be even given the chance for jobs that I am otherwise qualified for just because someone wants to assume all blondes have overprocessed hair.  Judge me by my work/audition and not by my hair color.  The old addage of "don't assume" comes in here.

I saw a casting call for an ad for a pet product.  I was the right age, right height and the right body type.  The casting call requested someone that is very comfortable working with animals because they need the reactions to an animal licking their face to be natural.  I am HUGE animal lover and any reactions to an animal  are completely natural for me.  This casting call was an absolute perfect fit for me and described me to a T.  Except for the "no blondes" comment.

I realize that I won't get every job that I think I am "perfect" for.  Heck I realize that chances are that I might not even get called into audition for these jobs, but it really not right to not even be able to given considered for these gigs. Now imagine seeing casting calls like these over and over again and you can't submit because people want to apply a stereotype to you that isn't applicable.

Let me get or lose a job on my own merits no because of something shallow like hair color.

Mar 20 13 09:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


Zack Zoll wrote:

That is true.  Then again, the Devil's Advocate position might be that you're making a stereotype about the various casting directors you've dealt with, or that as a photographer I just want to see boobies, or any number of thing

Interesting point, the thing is that I am basing this thread on the casting calls that I see not the casting directors/photographers that I have dealt with.  Keep in mind that I am a mature commercial model in the LA area so I only see casting calls that would fall in this category.  This is what motivated me to post this thread to see if other commercial models see the same trend.

Mar 20 13 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Spring
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For commercial work brunettes are more used for sure! Look at adverts around you and you will see only a few blonds.... I shoot stock and have looked through the libraries countless times and apart from the little cute blonde girl with a sweet smile that yuri uses and we have all seen 100 times I would say that 90% of the best selling images are of brunettes! This is the buyers choosing to use brunettes not the casting directors / photographers.... overall I think brunettes have a more everyday look, girl next door kind of thing where people can relate to those lifestyle images. So yes, in brief, if I have 2 models available for a shoot of the same standard, 1 blonde and 1 brunette.... the brunette will win every time. :-) That doesn't mean that I will dismiss a blonde just because she is blonde... it means she better have something special about her that will outsell a product or service compared to the brunette.
Mar 20 13 09:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:
I'm not denying there are stereotypes about blondes and brunettes being used in commercials, but I don't think it's that bad (at least not here). I also think (again, that's how it is here) that the ratio between "serious" commercials and "non-serious character parts" commercials is like 50/50, and probably leaning more towards the "non serious" commercials anyway.
So I doubt it has any real effect on work opportunities... just on the type of work. but work is work right smile? brunettes probably have the same feeling you do all the time as well of "oh man I woud have been perfect for that job, why do they want a blonde!"

You are probably right about the number of "serious" versus "non-serious commercials".  The thing is the that "non-serious" commercials seem to cast the blondes in the ditzy, sexy but shallow parts and the brunettes as the smart or wholesome characters in the commercial.  I am fine with occassionally playing a ditz but let a brunette sometimes play that part too.  Let me be the smart understanding friend and a brunette being the shallow stupid friend.  An occassional role reversal would be nice.

As far as brunettes feeling the same way, this may be possible. I have been really looking closely at the hundreds of casting calls that I see and I rarely notice brunettes being excluded from gigs unless it is for a "ditzy" commercial part or a porn part for a casting call on Craigslist. From what I see it does seem that "no blondes" tends to greatly outnumber "no brunettes" casting calls.

Keep in mind that I only see casting calls for models/actors in my age range and in the LA Area.

I imagine that brunettes that do adult work probably get as tired of seeing "blondes wanted" as I do of seeing "no blondes".

I guess if I want to see more casting calls that want blondes I could change and start doing "Cougar Porn" work.  wink  I guess it wouldn't be so bad...maybe I could get a hot cub with 6 pack abs. wink

Mar 20 13 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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GQ The Couture Model
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Seattle, Washington, US


For some years now male blondes have been out of style so it is tough getting a break right now.
Mar 20 13 09:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


Michael Spring wrote:
For commercial work brunettes are more used for sure! Look at adverts around you and you will see only a few blonds.... I shoot stock and have looked through the libraries countless times and apart from the little cute blonde girl with a sweet smile that yuri uses and we have all seen 100 times I would say that 90% of the best selling images are of brunettes! This is the buyers choosing to use brunettes not the casting directors / photographers.... overall I think brunettes have a more everyday look, girl next door kind of thing where people can relate to those lifestyle images. So yes, in brief, if I have 2 models available for a shoot of the same standard, 1 blonde and 1 brunette.... the brunette will win every time. :-) That doesn't mean that I will dismiss a blonde just because she is blonde... it means she better have something special about her that will outsell a product or service compared to the brunette.

From what I see I agree. I do know it is the buyer/final client that is usually choosing the hair color.  The casting director just goes by the client's wishes. 
I really don't think it is just my perception/imagination that brunettes are favored for mainstream commercial work.

Mar 20 13 09:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Danielle Hieronimi
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Chicago, Illinois, US


Misty R H wrote:

True it is easy to change my hair color. But it is not so easy to change over my entire commercial port and re do all of those pictures with me as a brunette.  Plus LA Casting charges for every picture added.  I would also have to change every picture in my website.  I guess it would be nice to know if it will really make a difference before going through all of the effort and expense.  The thing is I may not know unless I try it.  It is a catch 22 situation.

You don't need to update your online ports with a whole new look. You can specify on your page that you are willing and able to dye your hair (home or salon, I recommend salon) as well as take care of it, which entails investing in quality products.

Looking at my MM, you'd never know that I've had lilac, turquoise, boxed blonde and red hair before unless you go to my Facebook. Why? Because, anytime I change my hair, I make sure it is with purpose and well taken care of.

Being open to changing your hair for different looks actually opens several opportunities in commercial work.

Mar 20 13 09:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Rieni Otten wrote:
I do not not book blond models, in fact I'm checking out the port of a blond model right now, but I'll definitely am more careful after a few incidents and do now require that they don't change their hair before the shoot, and if they still do, I'll reserve the right to not work with them once they show up for the shoot. But normally this shouldn't need to be said to a model, every model should know that she gets booked for her looks and that she should show up on paid shoots looking exactly the same as in her portfolio. I'm not talking about TF shoots here.

Rieni, when you say you don't book blonde models this is your perogative. But isn't this like me saying something like "I have worked with some overweight photographers and they took bad pictures so I don't want to work with overweight photographers because anyone overweight will take bad pictures".

This would be an inaccurate assumption.  I shouldn't stereotype photographers  and rule them out just on the basis of their weight.  Isn't it the best thing for me if I judge each photographer by their work?  I might miss out on working/meeting some really great people if I just stereotype them and don't even give them a second glance.

I am not trying to tell everyone that doesn't work with blondes that they are wrong. Personal preferences are not wrong...everyone has different tastes. Just keep in mind that a close mind and closed eyes miss alot. You might be ruling out the best person for the job by not even giving them a chance.

Mar 20 13 10:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


Danielle Hieronimi wrote:
You don't need to update your online ports with a whole new look. You can specify on your page that you are willing and able to dye your hair (home or salon, I recommend salon) as well as take care of it, which entails investing in quality products.

Looking at my MM, you'd never know that I've had lilac, turquoise, boxed blonde and red hair before unless you go to my Facebook. Why? Because, anytime I change my hair, I make sure it is with purpose and well taken care of.

Being open to changing your hair for different looks actually opens several opportunities in commercial work.

Thanks Danielle. I appreciate the advise. I can see listing that I am willing to change my hair color in my profile page may be helpful on a site like MM.  But what do I list as my stats for the various casting call wesites?  Models/Actors have to list a particular hair color in their stats. Multiple colors isn't a choice.

Say I put blonde as my hair color.  If someone wants a brunette they won't even go to my profile page to see that I am willing to change my hair color. Plus many times the profile page on the casting websites is just a resume.


Then I wonder how multiple hair colors would be handled.  For example, I might audition for a particular gig as a blonde one week and then change my hair to brown for a different audution another week and then I hear back from the blonde audition for a call back. Then I would have to change my hair back to blonde. Also do I change my hair color everytime for an audition so I can look the part? The multiple changing of hair color will certainly fry my hair.

I do agree with you that salon coloring with a qualified stylist is the best way to go.

Plus my agent needs to know what my hair color is when he submits me for work.  I can't change from week to week.

I do appreciate the feedback...there are so many factors that it isn't as easy as it seems like it would be.

Mar 20 13 10:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
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Anaheim, California, US


GQ The Couture Model wrote:
For some years now male blondes have been out of style so it is tough getting a break right now.

I hear you.  Unless you can play a "California Surfer" then I imagined it can be limiting from what I have seen.

Mar 20 13 10:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rieni Otten
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Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


Misty R H wrote:
Rieni, when you say you don't book blonde models

I didn't write I don't book blond models, I wrote "I do not not book blond models". I work with blond models all the time. But not with cheap looking fake blond or dyed to dead hair and all that.

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Anna Adrielle
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Misty R H wrote:
You are probably right about the number of "serious" versus "non-serious commercials".  The thing is the that "non-serious" commercials seem to cast the blondes in the ditzy, sexy but shallow parts and the brunettes as the smart or wholesome characters in the commercial.  I am fine with occassionally playing a ditz but let a brunette sometimes play that part too.  Let me be the smart understanding friend and a brunette being the shallow stupid friend.  An occassional role reversal would be nice.

As far as brunettes feeling the same way, this may be possible. I have been really looking closely at the hundreds of casting calls that I see and I rarely notice brunettes being excluded from gigs unless it is for a "ditzy" commercial part or a porn part for a casting call on Craigslist. From what I see it does seem that "no blondes" tends to greatly outnumber "no brunettes" casting calls.

Keep in mind that I only see casting calls for models/actors in my age range and in the LA Area.

I imagine that brunettes that do adult work probably get as tired of seeing "blondes wanted" as I do of seeing "no blondes".

I guess if I want to see more casting calls that want blondes I could change and start doing "Cougar Porn" work.  wink  I guess it wouldn't be so bad...maybe I could get a hot cub with 6 pack abs. wink

it may also have something to do with where you are looking... is Craigslist a place where you expect to find castings for bigtime, "serious" commercials? (like an ad for a large car company). is it really that surprising that the castings you find on craigslist are for ehm less "prestigious" parts?

on a general level (and I'm just going from personal experience here again, it may be different where you live), women your age are often cast as moms with teenagers. And they tend to have a modern, yet more conservative look. Blonde is more associated with fun and youth. You have this light yellowy blonde colour that gives you a younger, sexier appearance that might be a mismatch with the roles women your age are typically cast for (not meant as a critique). Maybe you could consider an "inbetween" colour big_smile? something between dark blonde and light brunette, and a bit of a groomed look?

http://www.gloextensions.com/files/2012/06/alessandra-summer-highlights.jpg

Mar 21 13 03:18 am  Link  Quote 
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AaronPawlak
Posts: 2,703
New York, New York, US


Misty R H wrote:
So is the ditzy, sexy blonde stereotype at work here?  I am curious.

Try brunette. Why wonder?
Yeah, you've got to update, but you'd need current images anyway.

and you're pushing 50 years old.
That's some other factor.

You'll be cast as a mom or somebody in a 'higher up' level at her place of work, and I am just guessing this. Sexy blond stereotype does not fit. You're 50, not 21.

You may need age appropriate images.

Mar 21 13 03:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 53,820
Buena Park, California, US


I used to be blonde.  My DNA ended that for me in my late 20s...fuckers!!
Mar 21 13 09:26 am  Link  Quote 
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MB JenB
Posts: 2,867
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Misty R H wrote:
...

Has anyone else noticed this?  I have wondered if I change my hair color if I might get more commercial work.

So is the ditzy, sexy blonde stereotype at work here?  I am curious.

Hi,

Hair color is tricky as I am neither blonde nor brunette but, "sandy." smile

I prefer it natural and like the light ash brown and also the grays that are peppering it now.

However, I am not answering casting calls as there aren't any of those here where I live. I have a couple years before I relocate to whatever potential market I may have...

Jen

Anna Adrielle wrote:
depends on where you live. My boyfriend lives in holland, and there are tons of natural blonde adults here, and not the brownish-blonde, but really light, golden, blonde. And pretty much all dutch children (unless they have foreign roots, like maroccan) are blonde. You can also find a lot more blondes in scandinavian countries. So to say that it's a color not found on human beings is incorrect.

edit: I've got Dutch heritage...meh, was white blonde as a kid and sandy by teens and going gray after 45.

Mar 22 13 01:32 am  Link  Quote 
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AaronPawlak
Posts: 2,703
New York, New York, US


Go gray.
Mar 22 13 01:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


Rieni Otten wrote:

I didn't write I don't book blond models, I wrote "I do not not book blond models". I work with blond models all the time. But not with cheap looking fake blond or dyed to dead hair and all that.

Sorry, thanks for the correction.  I missed the second "not".  I am glad you give blondes a chance and book the ones you are interested in.  I know you are not going to want to book every blonde...just like you don't want to book every brunette.

All I hope/ask for is that blondes be given at least a shot and not completely disregarded because of their hair color.  This of course provided that the blonde model fits all of the other requirements for the gig.

Mar 22 13 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:

it may also have something to do with where you are looking... is Craigslist a place where you expect to find castings for bigtime, "serious" commercials? (like an ad for a large car company). is it really that surprising that the castings you find on craigslist are for ehm less "prestigious" parts?

on a general level (and I'm just going from personal experience here again, it may be different where you live), women your age are often cast as moms with teenagers. And they tend to have a modern, yet more conservative look. Blonde is more associated with fun and youth. You have this light yellowy blonde colour that gives you a younger, sexier appearance that might be a mismatch with the roles women your age are typically cast for (not meant as a critique). Maybe you could consider an "inbetween" colour big_smile? something between dark blonde and light brunette, and a bit of a groomed look?

http://www.gloextensions.com/files/2012/06/alessandra-summer-highlights.jpg

You are right about the type of work on Craigslist.  I usually rely on the main casting websites like LA Casting.  I have gotten some legitimate work and have met some very nice people through Craigslist as well.  There is a gem everyone once in a while there.

Thanks for your suggestion about maybe going to a darker blonde. Actually my hair color has gotten darker over the years so it is now a dark "dish water" blonde.  I have been coloring it because it just seemed bland to me compared to what I used to have. 

When I think about going brunette, part of me hesitates as I have always been blonde.  The entire floor of my office building at work only has 2 blondes other than me.  Part of me wants more commercial work, but part of me doesn't just want to blend in with the rest.  I think maybe I have to blend in with the rest to be more representative of the roles I am likely to play.

I appreciate the helpful comment Anna. Thanks!

Mar 22 13 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


AaronPawlak wrote:
Try brunette. Why wonder?
Yeah, you've got to update, but you'd need current images anyway.

and you're pushing 50 years old.
That's some other factor.

You'll be cast as a mom or somebody in a 'higher up' level at her place of work, and I am just guessing this. Sexy blond stereotype does not fit. You're 50, not 21.

You may need age appropriate images.

I think you may a right Aaron.  I would like more commercial parts, but I do llamaing on the side not as my main income.  I do it for fun. When I think about changing hair color I don't know if would be as happy in my day to day non llamaing life being a brunette.  Being brunette might get me more commercial work, but I feel like I would just blend in with everyone else.

I guess I want my cake and eat it too.  I like being blonde and in my heart I don't want to give it up.  I have the unrealistic hope that blondes will be taken as seriously as brunettes and I could stay as I am. I want to be me...but get more work.  It just doesn't appear that this will happen.

Hmmmm...maybe I will wait until I am gray and can be cast as grandma in a denture commercial.

I appreciate the feedback Aaron. Thanks!

Mar 22 13 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
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Nikki Magnusson
Posts: 6,841
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Misty R H wrote:
I am on LA Casting which is the major casting website for actors/models in the Los Angeles area.  I literally see hundreds of casting calls.  I have been noticing  a consistant repeat pattern of the casting calls specifically requesting "no blondes" or "brunettes only". Many of them seem very firm about it.

There have been many times when I am going through a casting call and I am perfect for it until I get to the part that says "no blondes".  Very frustrating.  Right now this blonde is not having more fun.

Then when I look at the talent section of  Craigslist, I see alot of requests for blondes.  The casting calls on Craigslist are mostly (not always) for adult/porn oriented shoots.

So it seems that blondes are wanted more for sexy adult work and brunettes are preferred for serious main stream commercial work.

Has anyone else noticed this?  I have wondered if I change my hair color if I might get more commercial work.

So is the ditzy, sexy blonde stereotype at work here?  I am curious.

Central Casting is the same way..

especially for any shows filmed in N.Y. type themes..

No Blondes..

for a casino waitress gig on "Suicide Kings" I dyed my hair dark brown and teased the sh*t out of it..

got the part...

also there where a few series that liked Blondes..

CSI Miami was one..

New Adventures of Old Christine..

The Game..

Ghost Whisperer..

Dexter..

Monk..etc..

so..

chin up..

break a leg..http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/44/f21faa4715f3480285c74d593899a371/l.gif

Mar 22 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Misty R H wrote:
I have the unrealistic hope that blondes will be taken as seriously as brunettes and I could stay as I am. I want to be me...but get more work.  It just doesn't appear that this will happen.

How much time do you have? Of course it won't happen. This isn't a casting thing...this is a cultural thing that has been going on for 90+ years.

Jean Harlow in the 1930's? Jayne Mansfield, Mamie Van Doren, Marilyn Monroe. Kim Novack, Diana Dors...the list is endless.

Heck, even Shelly Winters played the role of ditzy blonde bombshell in the 50's. The blonde will be viewed as the "less serious" character, often portrayed as the bombshell or ditz, as well as the sexy role.

Now, knowing that, you made a concerted effort to dye your hair blonde. So, what does that tell the casting director? That you are trying to change the industry to give blondes more credibility? No, the perception is that you want to be viewed as "the blonde bombshell." Combine that with your age and it exaggerates that perception ten-fold.

Let's put it this way. If you were a casting director and the bio/profile/headshot of a 49 year old bottle blonde came across your desk, would you cast that person for a serious role? Or would you think that this is a person who is trying to recapture her youth by going/remaining blonde, long after would normally be considered age appropriate.

The problem is, you're feeding into the stereotypes as a blonde. Even moreso as a 49 year old blonde. It's hard enough to get any role at 49 years old. But when you pigeon-hole yourself, it's going to be virtually impossible.

Mar 22 13 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

How much time do you have? Of course it won't happen. This isn't a casting thing...this is a cultural thing that has been going on for 90+ years.

Jean Harlow in the 1930's? Jayne Mansfield, Mamie Van Doren, Marilyn Monroe. Kim Novack, Diana Dors...the list is endless.

Heck, even Shelly Winters played the role of ditzy blonde bombshell in the 50's. The blonde will be viewed as the "less serious" character, often portrayed as the bombshell or ditz, as well as the sexy role.

Now, knowing that, you made a concerted effort to dye your hair blonde. So, what does that tell the casting director? That you are trying to change the industry to give blondes more credibility? No, the perception is that you want to be viewed as "the blonde bombshell." Combine that with your age and it exaggerates that perception ten-fold.

Let's put it this way. If you were a casting director and the bio/profile/headshot of a 49 year old bottle blonde came across your desk, would you cast that person for a serious role? Or would you think that this is a person who is trying to recapture her youth by going/remaining blonde, long after would normally be considered age appropriate.

The problem is, you're feeding into the stereotypes as a blonde. Even moreso as a 49 year old blonde. It's hard enough to get any role at 49 years old. But when you pigeon-hole yourself, it's going to be virtually impossible.

Michael you are right about the perception of blondes being around for a long time to come.  I doubt if I will ever see that change in my lifetime...especially with the way the image is re-emphasized over and over again on commercials, TV and film.

As far as getting any role at 49 is concerned, I must say these roles do exist.  They are not as plentiful for those that are younger, but they are there.  In fact these roles are growing, not by alot but they are growing.  The Baby Boomers and Generation X represent a huge market with disposible income. Advertisers are starting to realize that the people in these markets want to see age appropriate advertising.  Just ask any 40+ year old woman how they feel about a 20 year old selling them anti-wrinkle cream.

Blondes exist in almost all age ranges...except perhaps over 70 where everyone is pretty much expected to have gray hair. I don't think having blonde hair at my age inappropriate.  I am not going with an extreme platinum blonde.  Me having the same type of blonde hair I had in my younger years isn't really any different than a brunette that is now getting gray hair and using hair color to keep his/her hair the same brown as it used to be.

Mar 23 13 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
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MoRina
Posts: 5,636
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Every model has a "look".  We all fall into categories, like it or not.  Who cares if those are "stereotypes"? It is what it is.  All of us have the power to change our look.  We do not have the power to change the world.  Sorry, but bleach blonde hair, big boobs and a portfolio full of sexy images is never going to get anyone the same roles as a model with a "girl next door" or "career woman" look.

I can say this, because I dye my hair blonde and I have fake boobs and I am 48.  Did I do those things and then cry that nobody takes me seriously?  No.  People in real life treat me like I have no brain - why would I expect advertisers to want me to sell their products when I don't look like who they are trying to sell to? 

People form opinions about others in fractions of seconds.  That's all an advertiser has to convince consumers to listen to their ads.
Mar 23 13 05:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB JenB
Posts: 2,867
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Misty,

It might not be bad at all to have hair variety in your port, (with the non-permanent brunette or..better yet...ASHE blonde.)

Since all of my pictures are less than a year old my hair is pretty much the same...when I saw your port and it was a huge factor for myself in making sure to allow some hair variety.

I look forward to seeing how you may change it up a little!

Good luck and yes, break a leg!
Jen
Mar 23 13 06:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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