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A-M-P
Posts: 16,378
Orlando, Florida, US


Ok So I'm not an event photographer but I am doing a favor for a friend. I'm planning on dragging the shutter and shooting High iso to keep the ambient and feel of the venue and using my speed-light on camera. Since I can't do off camera lighting due to being a crowded event and I cannot bounce flash off walls because they are black and ceilings are extremely high. I'm wondering what is best modifier to soften my light a mini lumiquest box or a Gary Fong lightsphere or is there something else out in the market that you can suggest.

Thanks
Mar 17 13 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L2Photography net
Posts: 2,241
University City, Missouri, US


I like the Sto-Fen OM-EW Omni-Bounce Less than $20
L2
Mar 17 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-Ira
Posts: 2,063
New York, New York, US


Just posted this in the other thread on diffusers:

IMHO those stofen and fong diffusers aren't the way to go.  They cut your light output draining your batteries and then spray light in every direction.  It's better to bounce off a white or light surface.  If that's not possible because the walls/ceilings are dark or you're outside then you can rubber band a white 3X5 to the top of the flash and angle it up.  The other key is pulling in as much ambient as possible so you aren't necessarily blasting your subject.  Unless you want that hard direct light look...and in that case you shouldn't be diffusing the light source.
Mar 17 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-Ira
Posts: 2,063
New York, New York, US


You could also put your flash on a bracket or hand hold it attached with a eTTL cable which enables you to get a different angle on the light.

I use a stroboframe flip backet, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1 … acket.html
Mar 17 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Parsons
Posts: 890
Quincy, Massachusetts, US


-Ira wrote:
Just posted this in the other thread on diffusers:

IMHO those stofen and fong diffusers aren't the way to go.  They cut your light output draining your batteries and then spray light in every direction.  It's better to bounce off a white or light surface.  If that's not possible because the walls/ceilings are dark or you're outside then you can rubber band a white 3X5 to the top of the flash and angle it up.  The other key is pulling in as much ambient as possible so you aren't necessarily blasting your subject.  Unless you want that hard direct light look...and in that case you shouldn't be diffusing the light source.

If you balance the flash and ambient appropriately, then you won't be blasting your subjects.

A Sto-Fen isn't very useful because it's designed to emulate a barebulb, and to bounce off all nearby sources.

If you do want to soften the light, an on-flash softbox will help some, but you are limited by weight and portability.  I personally use a DIY diffuser that makes the light about 4"x6".  It cuts about a stop of light from the flash, and is only really useful up to a few feet away, but for event shots of small groups of people, it works well enough to soften shadows.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3484/3919650867_f1c7cf9162_m.jpg
DIY flash diffuser in action by alohadave, on Flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2612/3920436116_b99aec26ef_m.jpg
DIY flash diffuser by alohadave, on Flickr

It does throw some like back, but not enough for me to worry about (since I'm usually not near walls when using it.

Mar 17 13 10:50 am  Link  Quote 
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David Nelson Photograph
Posts: 178
Eau Claire, Wisconsin, US


-Ira wrote:
You could also put your flash on a bracket or hand hold it attached with a eTTL cable which enables you to get a different angle on the light.

I use a stroboframe flip backet, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1 … acket.html

That is my preferred method also.  If you can bring the ambient light up with higher iso or f-stop the flash in ettl will only fill avoiding the harsh lighting patterns.  And I always use a diffuser to soften the light further

Mar 17 13 10:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
realistgva
Posts: 253
Plan-les-Ouates, Geneva, Switzerland


I shoot a lot in crowded sport venues. The most convenient is on camera with a flashbender from rogue. It is best to take off and carry along when not used.

For events like dinners where there will be mainly portraits OK take the lastoliyte bracket and the lastolite soft box for speedlight. It does get heavy, is not discreet. It has a look like the cameras in the 50s
Mar 17 13 12:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Smedley Whiplash
Posts: 16,660
Billings, Montana, US


I 'll be honest... sometimes this feature is worth every penny.  lol


http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/media/upload/tutorials/stillcams/mode_dial.jpg


It's not that I don't know how to do it manually... it's just that this mode seems to do a pretty damn good job if your event requires changing distances and ambient lighting differences every time you move to a different spot. It's made my candid jobs easier on many occasions.

(combined with an e-ttl flash)

I've got some of the light diffusers, but they seem to have unpredictable exposure results.

I use these sometimes, but it's still a bit erratic in e-ttl mode, but does produce nice light.

http://www.adorama.com/images/300x300/FAMSBDL.jpg
Mar 17 13 01:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,695
Los Angeles, California, US


A half second shutter, straight on flash, hit the shutter then immediately pull the camera to the side. Lovely light streaks and the feel of movement.
Mar 17 13 01:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Smedley Whiplash
Posts: 16,660
Billings, Montana, US


Star wrote:
A half second shutter, straight on flash, hit the shutter then immediately pull the camera to the side. Lovely light streaks and the feel of movement.

...but practically guaranteed to have light streaking right though the subject. I'd advise using this technique sparingly. 1/2 sec is a loooooooog time.  Even a 1/4 second is long enough to cause trouble. You really have to be aware of room lights in relation to your subjects eyes.

It's not the easiest technique to master (random internet hotlinks)-

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o7wHGUmoXvg/SHRK7xT9NEI/AAAAAAAAMhM/gzThcaF7Dj8/s640/Andrea_Josh_0708.jpg

http://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0004/u00003551/i01337234/8a47f42db354aa7d6eed9e286c43b692_large.jpg

http://sliceoflemon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/SOLjuly25_3.jpg

Mar 17 13 02:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DH Studios
Posts: 88
Davenport, Florida, US


-Ira wrote:
Just posted this in the other thread on diffusers:

IMHO those stofen and fong diffusers aren't the way to go.  They cut your light output draining your batteries and then spray light in every direction.  It's better to bounce off a white or light surface.  If that's not possible because the walls/ceilings are dark or you're outside then you can rubber band a white 3X5 to the top of the flash and angle it up.  The other key is pulling in as much ambient as possible so you aren't necessarily blasting your subject.  Unless you want that hard direct light look...and in that case you shouldn't be diffusing the light source.

I agree with this, and there is something that helps fix that with the Lightsphere collapsible, it's the Chrome Dome.  That will direct more light towards the subject rather than at an entire 360 degree area.

Mar 17 13 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheScarletLetterSeries
Posts: 3,361
Carmel, California, US


The Stoffen Omni bounce works fine if you know its limitations and characteristics.  I'll usually add about +2/3 stop flash compensation.

Bouncing the light with the Demb Flip-it is better.  http://www.dembflashproducts.com/flipit/
Mar 17 13 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 12,789
Orlando, Florida, US


I made my own diffuser for less than $5 and it worked brilliantly for a range of events I shot two weeks ago.

Message me privately if you want to know.


I don't recommend dragging your shutter for more than 1/15 of a second. If you're just shooting the event, they may want it documented. Not your artistic take on things.

Just simply run your ISO up until you can shoot to capture a little ambient while not taxing your flash and blowing through batteries.  You're not creating art. You're covering an event.
Mar 17 13 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 6,631
Olney, Maryland, US


I couldn't see much difference between the original Fong and the Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce when pointed straight up.

I shot several events with the orange Sto-Fen pointed straight forward.
Mar 17 13 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chris David Photography
Posts: 300
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Not sure which camera system your using but one technique that works well for events using Stofen diffuser and standard zooms (24-70mm, 24-105mm, etc).
ISO 1600 as starting point, TV setting 1/60th if you have steady hands or go 1/100-1/200th if you don't compensate with more ISO(only if your camera has good high ISO capabilities else can get too much noise). Point the stofen backwards. It will reflect from any object/people behind you and give a nice soft shadowless light on the subject. If you feel you need more light then point diagonal back.
Mar 17 13 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DH Studios
Posts: 88
Davenport, Florida, US


The other option, that I neglected to mention before because I could not remember the name for it, is the spinlight 360

http://www.amazon.com/SpinLight-EXTREME … ash+bounce

Here's a promotional vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWU5ZCNaF9g


For bouncing off of walls when they don't exist...
Mar 17 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,969
Salem, Oregon, US


i love my rogue flashbender:
http://www.expoimaging.com/product-over … ashBenders
(i use it for weddings and events and sometimes model shoots)

i've had trouble with motion blur because of dragging the shutter, even when using flash. i guess it depends on the amount of ambient vs. flash. but like with the cake cutting at weddings i get blur at 1/100s. but i'm usually out of ISO at that point so i can't go to 1/200s.
Mar 17 13 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GCobb Photography
Posts: 15,784
Southaven, Mississippi, US


I've got a hotshoe flash diffuser and up close it does okay.  But you lose close to 2 stops with the one I have and I desperately need something a little more forgiving.
Mar 17 13 03:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,969
Salem, Oregon, US


for the dancing at weddings i like to use rear-curtain sync and shutter speeds like 1/30s. i also hold the camera up over my head and zoom fast with a slower shutter speed to get some zoom blur out of my 17-40. but i guess you don't want the entire album full of that sort of thing.

http://www.twohartsphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sue_jim_1677.jpg

Star wrote:
A half second shutter, straight on flash, hit the shutter then immediately pull the camera to the side. Lovely light streaks and the feel of movement.

Mar 17 13 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GM Photography
Posts: 5,734
Olympia, Washington, US


I really like the Rogue Flashbender.  You can bend it around all you want to direct the light in different directions, or use it as a flag when you can bounce.  It folds up and fits in your bag a lot easier than one of those tupperware thingies too.
Mar 17 13 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Pictures of Life
Posts: 89
Rathdrum, Idaho, US


The flashbender rocks. (There are cheaper knockoffs.) And like the previous poster noted, they work as flags; and make a great snoot. I shot a talent show from a balcony and wanted to avoid blinding people with my flash, so I wrapped the flash bender around the flash body. I got enough light to have shots from 60+ feet away and no motion blur.     On and off in 5 seconds, and super portable. At events where I don't want to carry a camera bag I've put the velcro tab though my pants belt loop, always there.
Mar 17 13 09:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 3,831
New York, New York, US


I use a diffuser plus one layer of ND gel and two layers of 1/2 CTO to match the ambient. I set the ISO at 3200 or 6400 and try to keep the shutter above 1/60th and shoot the flash straight forward.

Or use a led video light.
Mar 17 13 10:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Brown Photography
Posts: 66
Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan


Angie, there's a ton of great party/event info in this thread on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/d … 547230536/
Search down to see the man's own comments in the thread.

The images being discussed are from Nikola Tamindzic. Back a few years he was THE party photographer in the NYC Lower East Side scene. Shot for Gawker etc etc. Check out his archive at http://ambrel.net/
Mar 21 13 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 22,308
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Smedley Whiplash wrote:

...but practically guaranteed to have light streaking right though the subject. I'd advise using this technique sparingly. 1/2 sec is a loooooooog time.  Even a 1/4 second is long enough to cause trouble. You really have to be aware of room lights in relation to your subjects eyes.

It's not the easiest technique to master (random internet hotlinks)-

It's not all that hard though, but takes a bit of time to get a hang of things.

A lot of my event work is done that way.

http://andrewthomasevans.com/minneapoli … graphy.htm

http://andrewthomasevans.com/events/minneapolis-event-photography-DSC0047.jpg




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Mar 21 13 05:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mike Collins
Posts: 1,317
Orlando, Florida, US


I shoot a ton of corporate events.  If you have high ceilings and black walls, chances are, unless it's a decent size small softbox, and the subjects are close enough, nothing will help.  Most are designed to be used in conjunction with walls and ceilings.  If they cannot be involved, you will see very little difference in the direct flash and a small diffuser like the Fong or even the Flip-it.  I do like the Flip-it though.  What you will get is a waste of a lot of light with no difference in the lighting itself.  Or very little.  Again, only of you can't use the walls or ceiling.

You have to remember, this is an event.  We're not talking fine portraiture here. Lighting is not your "main" concern.  Good exposure is.   Use as much of the ambient as possible.  I shoot at 1600 a lot and pretty much fill with my flash if needed.
Mar 22 13 04:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ELiffmann
Posts: 1,233
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


Try a 1/4 or 1/2 CTO. I've got a mini soft box. It's fine. No strong feelings
Mar 22 13 05:23 am  Link  Quote 
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