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Lovely MUA
Posts: 23
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


i have a problem that has been driving me crazy!! I can't seem to figure out the cause. My lower liner always gets smudgy looking. I usually apply upper lid makeup first, then concealer and lightly powder the concealer. Then I go in with my lower lid product. Sometimes I use powder shadow, sometimes pencil, sometimes waterproof gel liner, and no matter what I do it always looks smudgy and messy shortly after. What am I doing wrong??? Help!
Mar 19 13 08:00 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ThirdEyeMakeup
Posts: 307
Los Angeles, California, US


Are you applying eye primer on the under eye area? Apply some sparingly, then try a waterproof eye pencil and dust some eyeshadow on top to set.

Or maybe your under eye cream and/or concealer is too creamy and ends up mixing with your makeup
Mar 19 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Lovely MUA
Posts: 23
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


I suppose it could be my concealer (Bobbi brown) but I know other makeup artists who use the same kind and do not have this problem. Maybe I'm using too much but it doesn't feel like I am.
I will try out a different concealer. I do apply eye primer under the lash line before concealer. Thanks for the advice!
Mar 19 13 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 738
Seattle, Washington, US


It doesn't matter if it works for other people; everyone's skin and body chemistry is different.

It sounds like you are putting a lot of things on under your eye. You shouldn't need to prime under the eye; it may be the combination of the primer and concealer and your natural face oils creating an environment that's not compatible with eye makeup.

Try a different concealer and nothing else under the eye, powder lightly, then use a no-budge formula such as MUFE Aqua Eyes.
Mar 19 13 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,731
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
It doesn't matter if it works for other people; everyone's skin and body chemistry is different.

+1 QFT    every client can be a different challenge...

Makeup by Dani B wrote:
...it may be the combination of the primer and concealer and your natural face oils creating an environment that's not compatible with eye makeup.

Be especially careful about not mixing vehicle i.e. solvent types... oil base verses silicone based product... I've noticed issues here especially with cream product... staying within one solvent family for the entire suite of product used is always wise, eliminates a myriad of potential problems...   

When using silicone based TEMPTU S/B (my goto now) I always use TEMPTU's silicon based primer... this has worked well for nearly all clients... Additionally  this airbrush product is tenacious... very smudge resistant, in fact it won't rub off on a groom's ensemble... and brides can't even cry it off... tear resistant... smile

Yes I airbrush eye decor... albeit at the lowest effective psi since the nozzle is just an inch or so from the sensitive eye area...  find that bringing the gun in slowly with air only to allow the client to acclimate prior to releasing product works best in this scenario...   

hope this helps...

Mar 19 13 01:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Lovely MUA
Posts: 23
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


Thank you so much for the fantastic advice. Does it matter if the powder also contains silicones/oil etc. or is it only the liquid and cream products that need to match?
Mar 20 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Beauty4U
Posts: 1,862
New York, New York, US


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
It doesn't matter if it works for other people; everyone's skin and body chemistry is different.

This!

Everyone's skin chemistry is different.  That's why products that claim to be waterproof or water resistant sometimes "fail" in the eyes of the consumer.  What they (the consumer) don't realize is that just because it doesn't smudge on me, that it's not going to smudge on them.  Perhaps their eyes produce more tears than others.  And also remember, tears aren't just water.  They're made of water, mucous, various oils and salt.  All of which eventually break down any makeup applied to the water line.

Mar 20 13 11:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,500
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Lovely MUA wrote:
Does it matter if the powder also contains silicones/oil etc. or is it only the liquid and cream products that need to match?

Darien, Vincent Ford who is a trainer for TEMPTU stated the following in a recent thread on Setting Powders

Vincent Ford wrote:
I use a silica based powder be it MUFE HD, Temptu etc if I'm setting a silicone foundation.  If you set with a translucent powder you lose the 20% reflective property of a silicone foundation.

I have great respect for Vincent's knowledge and tenure... he is a constant source of wisdom on this forum...

hope this helps...

Mar 20 13 03:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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