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Digital Artist
Anthony Bryan
Posts: 40
London, England, United Kingdom


I know i need to grow thicker skin but....

I have been working with a model for a year now, she is great, respectful and knows what she wants which i LOVE!!
Lately i've been working with two others and both are painfully rude! If Im payed i tend to be a good boy and just do the work but Im not sure how much more rudeness i can put up with! Should i drop her from my work load or grin and bare it because works work?

Thanks you for reading my moaning lol
Mar 20 13 09:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,047
Los Angeles, California, US


Anthony Lee Bryan wrote:
I know i need to grow thicker skin but....

I have been working with a model for a year now, she is great, respectful and knows what she wants which i LOVE!!
Lately i've been working with two others and both are painfully rude! If Im payed i tend to be a good boy and just do the work but Im not sure how much more rudeness i can put up with! Should i drop her from my work load or grin and bare it because works work?

Thanks you for reading my moaning lol

I have a question.... Digital Art and Retouching   where is your question about this area?

You might be in the wrong hood!

Mar 20 13 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,047
Los Angeles, California, US


DP...
Mar 20 13 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Anthony Bryan
Posts: 40
London, England, United Kingdom


The question is geared forwards Retouchers. I worked as a photographer.. a long time ago and if i had a rude model i would tell them to leave.
My thinking was Im getting rude models due to me being a retoucher and never having to meet them face to face. Im not sure
Mar 20 13 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 16,081
Sacramento, California, US


Anthony Lee Bryan wrote:
Lately i've been working with two others and both are painfully rude!

?

slightly rude = "I don't like this version"
rude = "This looks awful"
more rude = "You really suck big time"
painfully rude = returns file with big "X", "This stunk beyond all measure. G'me my money back and I'm killing your dog. You are a hack."

Mar 20 13 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,047
Los Angeles, California, US


Leonard Gee Photography wrote:

?

slightly rude = "I don't like this version"
rude = "This looks awful"
more rude = "You really suck big time"
painfully rude = returns file with big "X", "This stunk beyond all measure. G'me my money back and I'm killing your dog. You are a hack."

this oh my this

Mar 20 13 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ron Spackman
Posts: 209
High River, Alberta, Canada


The underlying issue is NOT rude models, but rude people.

Dealing with the number of people we do on MM, we'll meet a lot of rude people: models, photographers, MUA's, etc. No different from anywhere else.
Mar 20 13 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,047
Los Angeles, California, US


Anthony Lee Bryan wrote:
The question is geared forwards Retouchers. I worked as a photographer.. a long time ago and if i had a rude model i would tell them to leave.
My thinking was Im getting rude models due to me being a retoucher and never having to meet them face to face. Im not sure

Oh!!! i get it now...

Mar 20 13 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pari Retouch
Posts: 693
Nāshik, Maharashtra, India


Personally I would drop them out.

If you are not desperately in need of work and have other clients to work with then just leave them. I've known people when I started out, rude people usually ended up saying I don't like the final image and not paying anything.
Mar 20 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Anthony Bryan
Posts: 40
London, England, United Kingdom


Leonard Gee Photography wrote:

?

slightly rude = "I don't like this version"
rude = "This looks awful"
more rude = "You really suck big time"
painfully rude = returns file with big "X", "This stunk beyond all measure. G'me my money back and I'm killing your dog. You are a hack."

Ok this made me lol Not rude in any of those ways.
More of " Do this. Yeah it will do " Refusing to say please and thank you.
Just rude people. This thing is if they didn't like the end result then fine but they have sent me more and more work so must like what Im doing?

Mar 20 13 10:06 am  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Anthony Bryan
Posts: 40
London, England, United Kingdom


Pari Retouch wrote:
Personally I would drop them out.

If you are not desperately in need of work and have other clients to work with then just leave them. I've known people when I started out, rude people usually ended up saying I don't like the final image and not paying anything.

This is true. If i don't need them badly then why keep them. I don't want to be chasing people to pay me.

Mar 20 13 10:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vector One Photography
Posts: 2,617
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Like it was said, how badly do you need the money ?  If you tell them to pound sand how badly can they hurt your reputation with other potential clients ? And at what point do you say, enough is enough, I don't care , I will not let anyone talk to me that way ?
Mar 20 13 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 16,081
Sacramento, California, US


Anthony Lee Bryan wrote:
Ok this made me lol Not rude in any of those ways.
More of " Do this. Yeah it will do " Refusing to say please and thank you.
Just rude people. This thing is if they didn't like the end result then fine but they have sent me more and more work so must like what Im doing?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. Refusing? Or just not saying "thank-you". That's hardly rude.

That's a  pretty fine line. And in today's culture, it's not exactly "rude". Certainly not painfully rude. It may be not as polite and gentlemanly. I have had few clients who do say that. But more often, it's "Wow! That turned out well". Or "The response from that ad was really good".

For a retoucher, re-occurring jobs is fine. I wouldn't worry about it. One of the greatest compliments for retouching was when I got a referral to do a image of a bank CEO who needed a hair cut. I thought, why they couldn't just re-take the picture? But it was important enough to sent it to me and spend a thousand to have it done?

Mar 20 13 10:38 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,573
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


Between this thread and the "they haven't paid me yet and it's been 3 days!"
I'm beginning to think everyone should work in an agency for a few months wink

I don't always say please and thank you to people I hire and I'm very nice. Do you?
Mar 20 13 11:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


My question is, if you're a Retoucher, why are you dealing with models as the client? Wouldn't the photographer who created the image be the one hiring you? Why are you doing work directly for models? And why are they having a say in the retouching of images that they don't even own?

Or are they rudely asking you to retouch self-portraits?
Mar 20 13 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,214
Sisters, Oregon, US


Anthony Lee Bryan wrote:
Ok this made me lol Not rude in any of those ways.
More of " Do this. Yeah it will do " Refusing to say please and thank you.
Just rude people. This thing is if they didn't like the end result then fine but they have sent me more and more work so must like what Im doing?

Sadly, I think your expectations are 'out of the past'.

Manners 101 is no longer taught in all homes.  Used to be taught in 99%, now it's more like 49%.

Being polite and respectful is just common courtesy.  But, more and more models don't have it.  If my "Attitude Detector" fires off while I'm reading a model's profile, then I just move on, but that's a little different issue than what you have raised.

If you are getting paid for the work, don't complain.  You have the choice of either turning it down in the future or accepting that the culture has changed, doing the work, putting the money in the bank, and moving on.  Politeness is appreciated.  Political Correctness = imposed, insincere polite behaviour is unacceptable to me.  Getting paid is thanks enough.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130320/11/5149fcfdc4ac7_m.jpg

Mar 20 13 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Laura Bello
Posts: 1,221
Rochester, New York, US


I think you're definition of painfully rude is a little extreme, especially if you're getting paid.  I've had people that didn't say thank you when I gave them images for TFP and it's like 'ok whatever'.  Some people really don't have basic manners but that doesn't necessarily mean they're trying to be offensive, especially if they're not saying anything negative and continue to ask you for work.  To me, for someone be so rude that it would cause me to end working with someone would be them devaluing my work, insulting me, pushing to get something for free, being ridiculously demanding, or not crediting me for TFP to name a few.  I've worked tons of other types of jobs and in lots of them you don't get politeness from everyone.  Honestly so far in retouching people have been more polite than elsewhere. I've literally been yelled at at other jobs by customers for tiny things like forgetting to ask if they had a discount card or if I tried to promote a product to them.
Mar 20 13 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Kristiana-Retouch
Posts: 289
London, England, United Kingdom


You can try to state that you would like more polite and formal communication.
Mar 20 13 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Hieronimi
Posts: 238
Chicago, Illinois, US


Don't work with rude models, even if they are paying. It teaches them nothing about how one must interact with others in order to achieve their goals. I feel it is a lesson they should have already learned, but unfortunately not.

There are plenty of other models who have, at the very least, a respectful if not friendly attitude, and who conduct themselves with a degree of professionalism.

Then again, it all depends on how much you value your client relationship. If you need the money, then I guess just suck it up, and spend more time and effort on other's images.
Mar 20 13 02:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
I M N Photography
Posts: 2,299
New York, New York, US


Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
Between this thread and the "they haven't paid me yet and it's been 3 days!"
I'm beginning to think everyone should work in an agency for a few months wink

I don't always say please and thank you to people I hire and I'm very nice. Do you?

+1

I was still looking for examples of rudeness. I saw some speculation from others, and "business as usual" from the OP.

The key word is "Paid." Would you prefer wonderful relationships with people that do not pay, or "strictly business" relationships with paying clients. If you get the best of both worlds, then consider yourself lucky wink If you get neither, then change your approach.

Mar 20 13 02:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,790
New York, New York, US


I think "drama queen" suits this thread....I mean big deal they didn't say please and thank you. Take their money and be quiet! If you want them to be nice, threaten to raise your rates. If I am paying someone to do a job, I don't say please, I say do it! Thank you? for what, you are getting paid!!!!!
Mar 20 13 02:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Faze1 photography
Posts: 558
Lawndale, California, US


I agree with above. If you need the money sometimes you have to do what you have to do until you get to the point where you don't need their money. If you don't need the money why are you even asking what should you do? Just like when your retouching, we wouldn't have to tell you which blemishes to remove or how to remove then. You know what to do, right? So, if they are your blemishes get rid of their @$$es! Really simple! Go up on price. Tell them your booked for a while. Or do like I would do and say "fuck you very much"! Then speak spanish and say ''grassy-ass'' as my urban mexican friend would say!! Bottom line is you know what to do!
Mar 22 13 10:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Guss W
Posts: 10,580
Clearwater, Florida, US


If they keep coming back, there must be something about you they like.
Mar 23 13 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Guss W wrote:
If they keep coming back, there must be something about you they like.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5139/matero.jpg

Mar 23 13 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,749
Santa Ana, California, US


If you don't point blank tell them their behavior toward you is unacceptable, then you deserve the resulting treatment. Grow a (gender neutral) pair.
If you are emotionally incapable of demanding respect from those that pay you, you're going to have real difficulty going forward in life, not to mention business.
Mar 23 13 04:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 17,988
Orlando, Florida, US


I rarely ever say please( I don't beg anyone for anything) but I do say thank you. Maybe I'm semi rude
Mar 23 13 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2373/maybe2f.jpg
Mar 23 13 05:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,211
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Anthony Bryan wrote:
I know i need to grow thicker skin but....

I have been working with a llama for a year now, she is great, respectful and knows what she wants which i LOVE!!
Lately i've been working with two others and both are painfully rude! If Im payed i tend to be a good boy and just do the work but Im not sure how much more rudeness i can put up with! Should i drop her from my work load or grin and bare it because works work?

Thanks you for reading my moaning lol

It depends on how much you need the money.  In any line of work you are likely to have to deal with people that you don't get along with.  If you want to get paid than you put up with it.  If you have so many clients that you are turning people or you simply don't need the money then tell them to kiss off.

Mar 23 13 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rieni Otten
Posts: 193
Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


OP I have the same problem with my clients. If you communicate with them by e-mail, it can be due to that. Messages sent from smartphones, not everybody is good at typing. Then when you meet them in real life they can be totally opposite, and very friendly and polite. If your clients really are rude people, learn to ignore it and concentrate on your work and earning money. In the end you're the one smiling when you get another payment coming in and from that you buy yourself something nice, as compensation for having to deal with the a*holes. And don't forget that 100 years ago people working in shops were complaining about rude customers as well. It's always been that way, some people are nice, some are not, and some are nice but just lack communication skills.
Mar 23 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
New Art Photo
Posts: 701
Los Angeles, California, US


When I told my sister ( a photographer of 25 years) that I was going to focus on female portraiture-- she said: "Don't!! they always hate how they look."

--I find that's often the case.

They notice small details about their looks, that are really irrelevant to the impact of the photo.

Luckily these are TFP shoots for me.
I absolutely can understand how stressful it would be if it were paying customers you actually had to deal with.

Drop the really difficult ones! Life is too short.
Mar 23 13 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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