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Disrespectful models
I know i need to grow thicker skin but.... I have been working with a model for a year now, she is great, respectful and knows what she wants which i LOVE!! Lately i've been working with two others and both are painfully rude! If Im payed i tend to be a good boy and just do the work but Im not sure how much more rudeness i can put up with! Should i drop her from my work load or grin and bare it because works work? Thanks you for reading my moaning lol Mar 20 13 09:26 am Link Anthony Lee Bryan wrote: I have a question.... Digital Art and Retouching where is your question about this area? Mar 20 13 09:36 am Link DP... Mar 20 13 09:36 am Link The question is geared forwards Retouchers. I worked as a photographer.. a long time ago and if i had a rude model i would tell them to leave. My thinking was Im getting rude models due to me being a retoucher and never having to meet them face to face. Im not sure Mar 20 13 09:41 am Link Anthony Lee Bryan wrote: ? Mar 20 13 09:50 am Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: this oh my this Mar 20 13 09:52 am Link The underlying issue is NOT rude models, but rude people. Dealing with the number of people we do on MM, we'll meet a lot of rude people: models, photographers, MUA's, etc. No different from anywhere else. Mar 20 13 09:52 am Link Anthony Lee Bryan wrote: Oh!!! i get it now... Mar 20 13 09:53 am Link Personally I would drop them out. If you are not desperately in need of work and have other clients to work with then just leave them. I've known people when I started out, rude people usually ended up saying I don't like the final image and not paying anything. Mar 20 13 09:54 am Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: Ok this made me lol Not rude in any of those ways. Mar 20 13 10:06 am Link Pari Retouch wrote: This is true. If i don't need them badly then why keep them. I don't want to be chasing people to pay me. Mar 20 13 10:08 am Link Like it was said, how badly do you need the money ? If you tell them to pound sand how badly can they hurt your reputation with other potential clients ? And at what point do you say, enough is enough, I don't care , I will not let anyone talk to me that way ? Mar 20 13 10:12 am Link Anthony Lee Bryan wrote: That is exactly what I wanted to know. Refusing? Or just not saying "thank-you". That's hardly rude. Mar 20 13 10:38 am Link Between this thread and the "they haven't paid me yet and it's been 3 days!" I'm beginning to think everyone should work in an agency for a few months  I don't always say please and thank you to people I hire and I'm very nice. Do you? Mar 20 13 11:02 am Link My question is, if you're a Retoucher, why are you dealing with models as the client? Wouldn't the photographer who created the image be the one hiring you? Why are you doing work directly for models? And why are they having a say in the retouching of images that they don't even own? Or are they rudely asking you to retouch self-portraits? Mar 20 13 11:11 am Link Anthony Lee Bryan wrote: Sadly, I think your expectations are 'out of the past'. Mar 20 13 11:12 am Link I think you're definition of painfully rude is a little extreme, especially if you're getting paid. I've had people that didn't say thank you when I gave them images for TFP and it's like 'ok whatever'. Some people really don't have basic manners but that doesn't necessarily mean they're trying to be offensive, especially if they're not saying anything negative and continue to ask you for work. To me, for someone be so rude that it would cause me to end working with someone would be them devaluing my work, insulting me, pushing to get something for free, being ridiculously demanding, or not crediting me for TFP to name a few. I've worked tons of other types of jobs and in lots of them you don't get politeness from everyone. Honestly so far in retouching people have been more polite than elsewhere. I've literally been yelled at at other jobs by customers for tiny things like forgetting to ask if they had a discount card or if I tried to promote a product to them. Mar 20 13 01:19 pm Link You can try to state that you would like more polite and formal communication. Mar 20 13 02:14 pm Link Don't work with rude models, even if they are paying. It teaches them nothing about how one must interact with others in order to achieve their goals. I feel it is a lesson they should have already learned, but unfortunately not. There are plenty of other models who have, at the very least, a respectful if not friendly attitude, and who conduct themselves with a degree of professionalism. Then again, it all depends on how much you value your client relationship. If you need the money, then I guess just suck it up, and spend more time and effort on other's images. Mar 20 13 02:20 pm Link Natalia_Taffarel wrote: +1 Mar 20 13 02:21 pm Link I think "drama queen" suits this thread....I mean big deal they didn't say please and thank you. Take their money and be quiet! If you want them to be nice, threaten to raise your rates. If I am paying someone to do a job, I don't say please, I say do it! Thank you? for what, you are getting paid!!!!! Mar 20 13 02:27 pm Link I agree with above. If you need the money sometimes you have to do what you have to do until you get to the point where you don't need their money. If you don't need the money why are you even asking what should you do? Just like when your retouching, we wouldn't have to tell you which blemishes to remove or how to remove then. You know what to do, right? So, if they are your blemishes get rid of their @$$es! Really simple! Go up on price. Tell them your booked for a while. Or do like I would do and say "fuck you very much"! Then speak spanish and say ''grassy-ass'' as my urban mexican friend would say!! Bottom line is you know what to do! Mar 22 13 10:14 pm Link If they keep coming back, there must be something about you they like. Mar 23 13 04:21 pm Link Guss W wrote:
Mar 23 13 04:44 pm Link If you don't point blank tell them their behavior toward you is unacceptable, then you deserve the resulting treatment. Grow a (gender neutral) pair. If you are emotionally incapable of demanding respect from those that pay you, you're going to have real difficulty going forward in life, not to mention business. Mar 23 13 04:54 pm Link I rarely ever say please( I don't beg anyone for anything) but I do say thank you. Maybe I'm semi rude Mar 23 13 05:23 pm Link  Mar 23 13 05:28 pm Link Anthony Bryan wrote: It depends on how much you need the money. In any line of work you are likely to have to deal with people that you don't get along with. If you want to get paid than you put up with it. If you have so many clients that you are turning people or you simply don't need the money then tell them to kiss off. Mar 23 13 05:31 pm Link OP I have the same problem with my clients. If you communicate with them by e-mail, it can be due to that. Messages sent from smartphones, not everybody is good at typing. Then when you meet them in real life they can be totally opposite, and very friendly and polite. If your clients really are rude people, learn to ignore it and concentrate on your work and earning money. In the end you're the one smiling when you get another payment coming in and from that you buy yourself something nice, as compensation for having to deal with the a*holes. And don't forget that 100 years ago people working in shops were complaining about rude customers as well. It's always been that way, some people are nice, some are not, and some are nice but just lack communication skills. Mar 23 13 07:46 pm Link When I told my sister ( a photographer of 25 years) that I was going to focus on female portraiture-- she said: "Don't!! they always hate how they look." --I find that's often the case. They notice small details about their looks, that are really irrelevant to the impact of the photo. Luckily these are TFP shoots for me. I absolutely can understand how stressful it would be if it were paying customers you actually had to deal with. Drop the really difficult ones! Life is too short. Mar 23 13 08:02 pm Link |
