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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


So I found a nice model to shoot. She's $150 per hour (that's her offer). If she still looks like her portfolio, then she looks great. I probably only need an hour to get enough shots. Is $150 too much? I'm in the San Francisco area.
Mar 21 13 10:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Krisna Fretwell
Posts: 18
Reno, Nevada, US


I thinking depends on experience. I've been llamaing for a year and even now my prices are reasonably low. But I do 4 hour increments. 300$ being fully nude explict/erotic. I think 150$ an hour is a little high for MM unless you've worked for like vogue or something along those lines
Mar 21 13 10:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,294
Upland, California, US


To Eric Hodges Photography --

Only you can make that decision. However, I do notice that you're rather new to this site. As time goes on, you'll develop an intuition as to what is fair compensation for a model.

Right now it's important to learn about compensation issues by falling down, so to speak, from time to time. In other words, learning through experience. In time you'll see throught the facade models' create regarding compensation.
Mar 21 13 10:54 am  Link  Quote 
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SG-4 Photography
Posts: 119
Washington, District of Columbia, US


It does not matter whether or not we think its too much.  If she charges that and you think she will provide what you need then do it.  If your budget is for an hour, let her know that that hour will need to be used shooting and not changing, applying make up and the like. If she is as much the professional as you think than that wont be a problem. 

Absent nudes I would not pay that much...even for nudes that seems a bit of a stretch. 

If you simply have to have her in your port than the discussion is moot.  As well you can always attempt to bargain.  Say....offer her 250 for 3 hours. No harm in attempting to negotiate.
Mar 21 13 10:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
I thinking depends on experience. I've been modeling for a year and even now my prices are reasonably low. But I do 4 hour increments. 300$ being fully nude explict/erotic. I think 150$ an hour is a little high for MM unless you've worked for like vogue or something along those lines

Thanks Krisna. I forgot to note that I'm not planning to do any nudes as I don't think that will help my portfolio. So it's just glamour/portrait and maybe fashion. I don't know yet what clothes she has.

Mar 21 13 10:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


SG-4 Photography wrote:
It does not matter whether or not we think its too much.  If she charges that and you think she will provide what you need then do it.  If your budget is for an hour, let her know that that hour will need to be used shooting and not changing, applying make up and the like. If she is as much the professional as you think than that wont be a problem. 

Absent nudes I would not pay that much...even for nudes that seems a bit of a stretch. 

If you simply have to have her in your port than the discussion is moot.  As well you can always attempt to bargain.  Say....offer her 250 for 3 hours. No harm in attempting to negotiate.

Yes, I'm thinking of offering less for one hour (nicely, of course) to see if she will do that.

Mar 21 13 10:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


My other question is: If I'm paying do I then provide images to the llama? Seems strange to do so, although I would love to have her use some of my images. I realize I'm getting ahead of myself here...lol
Mar 21 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 26,902
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
I thinking depends on experience. I've been modeling for a year and even now my prices are reasonably low. But I do 4 hour increments. 300$ being fully nude explict/erotic. I think 150$ an hour is a little high for MM unless you've worked for like vogue or something along those lines

do seriously think that the models you see in Vogue would test with the average photographer at $150 an hr ?

Mar 21 13 11:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 26,902
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


To the OP

Only You can determine the value to you of shooting with this model
Mar 21 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SG-4 Photography
Posts: 119
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:
My other question is: If I'm paying do I then provide images to the model? Seems strange to do so, although I would love to have her use some of my images. I realize I'm getting ahead of myself here...lol

Only if you agree.  But seeing as how she is being paid handsomely for her time, you do not HAVE to.  But it all depends on the agreement.  As to whether or not she uses them, well...that is totally up to her.  Here is to hoping that she feels they are good enough... ;-)

Mar 21 13 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
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SG-4 Photography
Posts: 119
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Garry k wrote:
To the OP

Only You can determine the value to you of shooting with this model

Ditto.

Mar 21 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,628
Los Angeles, California, US


150/Hour is a bit high for an MM Model.

BUT, If you only need an hour, I wouldnt undercut their asking rate. Pay it or find a cheaper model. You can get quality talent for less than 150/hour. Especially for non nude work..

How bad do you want this girl for this project?

As for images.. if you pay you are not obligated to give images.. its all up to you. Bonus edits are nice tho. smile
Mar 21 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,074
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Do YOU think its too much? It doesnt matter what anyone else thinks... its YOUR money. Why ask someone else how you ought to spend it?

A lot of models have a 2 hour minimum because they wind up spending more time getting ready for and getting to the shoot (and then going home and un-hair/makeup/wardrobe-ing) than they do shooting. If she'll agree to just one hour, youve kind of got a steal. Most girls willing to work for lower will require 2 hours (2 hours pay, whether you USE the 2 hours or only 1), so youre still paying the same rate.
Mar 21 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
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DivaEroticus
Posts: 14,456
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:
So I found a nice model to shoot. She's $150 per hour (that's her offer). If she still looks like her portfolio, then she looks great. I probably only need an hour to get enough shots. Is $150 too much? I'm in the San Francisco area.

If you like her look, can afford her rate, and can get what you need, then it's not too much.  Ultimately, that decision is yours, and asking here will not change the math.

Mar 21 13 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Evie Wolfe
Posts: 1,201
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


It's difficult to say. For example, if she is a 'model' with cellphone images, no experience and no skills, it might be a little high (depending on demand, of course!) if she is a model witha spectacular port and some serious ability, then maybe not so much. It all depends on if you think she will add to your portfolio enough to justify the expense!
I will say that if you are willing to spend money on the right model, shop around unless your heart is abosolutely set on the model you are already considering - you never know who might be coming through your area soon.

As for images, opinion is a bit split. If I am paid by a photographer, I don't expect images, but sometimes they send some anyway (more and more frequently, in fact), as a guesture of kindness, and I always appreciate it. Some times they don't, and that is fine too - I was already paid in cash, so I would not ask for any payment in images. If you like, you can send the model you images, but that doesn't mean she will use them. Usually if a model quotes her rates, it means that she/he does not think your work will add significantly to her portfolio (for style, content, whatever), so your images may not end up in her book. Having said that, there are a couple of images in my portfolio given to me from paid shoots smile
Mar 21 13 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,016
Chicago, Illinois, US


OP, I would avoid paying anyone right now and certainly $150.00 a hour.   I shoot rather quickly but I couldn't do much in a hour.   If you can't find willing models for trade start around $20.00 per hour.   Find a MUA or see if the model can do her own make-up.
Mar 21 13 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 9,196
Brooklyn, New York, US


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:
So I found a nice model to shoot. She's $150 per hour (that's her offer). If she still looks like her portfolio, then she looks great. I probably only need an hour to get enough shots. Is $150 too much? I'm in the San Francisco area.

How much can you sell the photos for to recoup your expense ?

Mar 21 13 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:

How much can you sell the photos for to recoup your expense ?

No idea. I would ask for a commercial release though since it's expensive to shoot her.

Mar 21 13 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


Thanks everyone for your input. I'm learning a lot just from posting, which is why I did it. I do realize that one hour is hard for her for the reasons stated above. Shooting more at that rate seems a bit crazy. If I can get 5 to 10 great pics of her I would be happy and then look to shoot another.
Mar 21 13 11:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 9,196
Brooklyn, New York, US


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:
No idea. I would ask for a commercial release though since it's expensive to shoot her.

Well that sounds like a pretty crappy biz plan
If you take your time I bet you can find same quality for less
Look at this this from a rational non emotional business point of view
$150 pr hr for non commercial shoot is sky high rate
Do you have $$$ to burn ???
If not this is poor decision making
Make her an offer for $50 pr hr

Mar 21 13 11:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,074
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:
Thanks everyone for your input. I'm learning a lot just from posting, which is why I did it. I do realize that one hour is hard for her for the reasons stated above. Shooting more at that rate seems a bit crazy. If I can get 5 to 10 great pics of her I would be happy and then look to shoot another.

Did you already tell her that you only wanted to shoot for one hour when asking what her rate was? If so..she may have adjusted her normal rate upwards to cover what she would usually get for longer bookings. Or maybe not, who knows. 150 for like...four hours work? Thats definitely high, but for just one, not so bad.

Mar 21 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 26,902
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Tony Lawrence wrote:
OP, I would avoid paying anyone right now and certainly $150.00 a hour.   I shoot rather quickly but I couldn't do much in a hour.   If you can't find willing models for trade start around $20.00 per hour.   Find a MUA or see if the model can do her own make-up.

Finding the right model ( even if you have to pay her ) and shooting  her well can kickstart your portfolio

Mar 21 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,005
New York, New York, US


I've paid less than that for a nude shoot per hour. That's excessive in my opinion. I am in NYC and I wouldn't pay that for one hour. Nope...next!
Mar 21 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,074
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:

Well that sounds like a pretty crappy biz plan
If you take your time I bet you can find same quality for less
Look at this this from a rational non emotional business point of view
$150 pr hr for non commercial shoot is sky high rate
Do you have $$$ to burn
If not this is poor decision making
Make her an offer for $50 pr hr

You can buy a kia for a lot less than you can buy a porsche for. Im sure they both run. If youve GOT enough for a porsche and you WANT the porsche...why buy the kia? Because someone else tells you its stupid to buy the porsche?


*I* think he should just send his $150 to me...thats some good decision making, if Im deciding what other people should do with their own money.


Y'all love to undercut the models as if its your money someone else is giving away. Theres nothing poor about his decision making if HES comfortable paying the amount the model is asking for, and SHE is the model he wants to shoot.

Mar 21 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Did you already tell her that you only wanted to shoot for one hour when asking what her rate was? If so..she may have adjusted her normal rate upwards to cover what she would usually get for longer bookings. Or maybe not, who knows. 150 for like...four hours work? Thats definitely high, but for just one, not so bad.

Ah I see. Good point!

Mar 21 13 11:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


Garry k wrote:
Finding the right llama ( even if you have to pay her ) and shooting  her well can kickstart your portfolio

This is my thinking, but it seems like she's a bit expensive. I'll have to do some negotiation.

Mar 21 13 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,005
New York, New York, US


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:

This is my thinking, but it seems like she's a bit expensive. I'll have to do some negotiation.

Yes negotiate!!!!

Mar 21 13 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,005
New York, New York, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

You can buy a kia for a lot less than you can buy a porsche for. Im sure they both run. If youve GOT enough for a porsche and you WANT the porsche...why buy the kia? Because someone else tells you its stupid to buy the porsche?


*I* think he should just send his $150 to me...thats some good decision making, if Im deciding what other people should do with their own money.


Y'all love to undercut the models as if its your money someone else is giving away. Theres nothing poor about his decision making if HES comfortable paying the amount the model is asking for, and SHE is the model he wants to shoot.

Not about undercutting. If you are just shooting for your portfolio that's too much! Now if you are going to turn around and sell the photos then that's different.

Mar 21 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,217
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:
Thanks Krisna. I forgot to note that I'm not planning to do any nudes as I don't think that will help my portfolio. So it's just glamour/portrait and maybe fashion. I don't know yet what clothes she has.

$150 per hour for glamour/portrait seems really high.  There are plenty of highly experienced models out there that will gladly do nudes for far less money.  If I offered that much money for fashion/glamour/portrait work I would have models lined up outside my door.  For $150/hour this would have to be a model with a extremely high level of experience and a portfolio to match.  However, it's your money to spend as you wish and if this model fits the bill....

Mar 21 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 4,101
New York, New York, US


Depends what you're looking for in a model.  If you want to attract fashion style models then shoot with fashion models.  If the model looks like she should be in Vogue and you think it's worth it to get you more models with that look in the future, then I would consider it.
Mar 21 13 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,016
Chicago, Illinois, US


Garry k wrote:

Finding the right model ( even if you have to pay her ) and shooting  her well can kickstart your portfolio

I respectfully disagree.   There are lots of shooters I know who pay and still do yet produce the same lackluster  work as those who don't.   Not saying my work is better.   It would be a waste of time for the OP too invest in paying models beyond having a reliable subject.   The best model around isn't going too improve my work.   Just as the best camera won't either.   There is a photographer here on MM who  shot a very new Cindy Crawford.   Its crappy work of a beautiful woman.   That is not a slam of the OP but in my view he and other shooters need to focus first on improving their work.   The models used make little difference in that development.

Mar 21 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 26,902
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Eric Hodges Photography wrote:

This is my thinking, but it seems like she's a bit expensive. I'll have to do some negotiation.

you might also think about giving yourself a bit more time than 1 hr to get the shots that you need ( even if you have a crystal clear vision of what you are looking to achieve )

Mar 21 13 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,074
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Marin Photography wrote:
Not about undercutting. If you are just shooting for your portfolio that's too much! Now if you are going to turn around and sell the photos then that's different.

Too much FOR YOU PERSONALLY.

And thats fine. YOU dont have to pay for anything YOU dont want to. Thats got nothing to do with what anyone else is doing with their money or charging for their services.

I personally wouldnt buy a Porsche, I think thats too much money just for a car. Thousands of other people across the globe dont agree with me, but thats okay because theyre not spending my money, and I dont tell them not to buy the car they want.

Mar 21 13 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 26,902
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Tony Lawrence wrote:
I respectfully disagree.   There are lots of shooters I know who pay and still do yet produce the same lackluster  work as those who don't.   Not saying my work is better.   It would be a waste of time for the OP too invest in paying models beyond having a reliable subject.   The best model around isn't going too improve my work.   Just as the best camera won't either.   There is a photographer here on MM who  shot a very new Cindy Crawford.   Its crappy work of a beautiful woman.   That is not a slam of the OP but in my view he and other shooters need to focus first on improving their work.   The models used make little difference in that development.

most of the photographers on MM could have taken my avatar shot ....so why is it then that it is my money shot and the shot that launched my portfolio ( and has brought me a lot of interest from other models interested in shooting creatives )?

It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the model I chose

I have recognized for some time that I am only an average photographer -yet I all the models you see in my portfolio are ( in my opinion ) well above average

In this game half the quality of a photographers images depends on model they have chosen

and of course it goes without saying that even a great model can't help create a good image working with photographer who lacks the basic skills

Mar 21 13 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 4,101
New York, New York, US


Garry k wrote:

most of the photographers on MM could have taken my avatar shot ....so why is it then that it is my money shot and the shot that launched my portfolio ( and has brought me a lot of interest from other models interested in shooting creatives )?

It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the model I chose

You took a darn good shot of Coco, you lucky bast... wink
Good thing it wasn't a shot of her on railroad tracks with caution tape on her.

Mar 21 13 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,005
New York, New York, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

You can buy a kia for a lot less than you can buy a porsche for. Im sure they both run. If youve GOT enough for a porsche and you WANT the porsche...why buy the kia? Because someone else tells you its stupid to buy the porsche?


*I* think he should just send his $150 to me...thats some good decision making, if Im deciding what other people should do with their own money.


Y'all love to undercut the models as if its your money someone else is giving away. Theres nothing poor about his decision making if HES comfortable paying the amount the model is asking for, and SHE is the model he wants to shoot.

The op raised the question if that was too much. I have my opinion and you have yours....

Mar 21 13 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,016
Chicago, Illinois, US


Garry k wrote:

most of the photographers on MM could have taken my avatar shot ....so why is it then that it is my money shot and the shot that launched my portfolio ( and has brought me a lot of interest from other models interested in shooting creatives )?

It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the model I chose

Once you reach a certain skill level then better models do make a difference.   Notice I said skill level.   However starting out or not having the required skill or vision makes all the difference.   That's a nice shot of Coco.   I don't know if I shot her if I'd get  as good a image but I don't think paying her or not would influence my work either way.   Paying a model $150.00 a hour would surely be a waste of money for the OP.

Mar 21 13 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ash Photographic
Posts: 378
Cirencester, England, United Kingdom


Garry k wrote:
most of the photographers on MM could have taken my avatar shot ....so why is it then that it is my money shot and the shot that launched my portfolio ( and has brought me a lot of interest from other models interested in shooting creatives )?

It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the model I chose

OMG! Is that Coco Rocha? borat

Wow - a stroke of luck indeed to shoot a supermodel before she was even famous. Nice going Garry! smile

OP, $150 per hour is pretty steep and I would agree with Garry that hoping to get your money's worth in just one hour is probably pushing it a bit. Almost certainly better to pay $50 per hour for a different model for 3 hours IMHO...


Ash.

Mar 21 13 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eric Hodges Photography
Posts: 32
Mill Valley, California, US


Tony, I Appreciate your input, thanks!
Mar 21 13 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 26,902
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Ash Photographic wrote:

OMG! Is that Coco Rocha? borat

Wow - a stroke of luck indeed to shoot a supermodel before she was even famous. Nice going Garry! smile

OP, $150 per hour is pretty steep and I would agree with Garry that hoping to get your money's worth in just one hour is probably pushing it a bit. Almost certainly better to pay $50 per hour for a different model for 3 hours IMHO...


Ash.

Yes , thank you .... And it was a trade shoot too ,arranged by a designer friend of mine . And they even fed me lunch

Mar 21 13 12:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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