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Photographer
Jean Renard Photography
Posts: 1,984
Los Angeles, California, US


Age is crucially important.

Other than sex and alcohol most clients will not be checking ID only SS number.

Hollywood has been great about setting the scene with setting age ranges for actors. 
For models it was mostly based on looks and supposed ages, the agency lied all the time as long as the model could pull it off.

Now with high def in video, looking the part is even more important.  IF you can pull off a younger look, use that as the base.  Older is increasingly a problem with casting.  I am even suggesting that other than the first headshot, the models do the next two shots at the extreme range of ages just to plant that in a client's brain and it has been working really well.
Mar 26 13 11:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Feverstockphoto
Posts: 433
Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom


It's a requirement that information be correct on model release forms that i use including the age. Wrong information about ones age on a release can lead to problems for me as the photographer regardless of the other persons reasoning for lying. Trust is important Proof/ID will be needed at all my shoots - especially after reading some of the posts in this thread! Carry on....
Mar 27 13 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 11,532
Atlanta, Georgia, US


io wrote:

Yeah, definitely NOT runway or fashion, though many castings for art nudes, catalog, and beauty work which I book cut off at 26 and 29 (I just booked two said castings, they know my real age, though).

I just find that odd, but maybe they have a reason.  I think having a model over 30 that looks like you would be ideal for a lot of beauty work.  Regardless what ever you do to maintain yourself - keep doing it as its obviously working.

Mar 27 13 06:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Something Guy
Posts: 14,766
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


io wrote:
Feel free to look at my portfolio (especially the main profile page with the very recent behind-the-scenes and makeup-free shots), and help me out. Suggestions for or against, or how young I should advertise myself as being able to depict would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

As many of your images are quite heavily retouched/bleached and the lighting is flat on it's very difficult to ascertain an age.

Mar 27 13 07:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
As many of your images are quite heavily retouched/bleached and the lighting is flat on it's very difficult to ascertain an age.

Wow, that was snarky, snarky. Some are, some aren't. In fact, in the most recent my face wasn't touched at all. However, realizing that much of the work I do is so stylized, this is why I have completely unretouched images and makeup-free shots on my main bio page. The images are not bleached, I'm really that neon white. Why, would you care to see some of my raw files? Better yet, here's me, zero makeup or retouching: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/200210_10150160071214881_6229084_n.jpg
And these, straight from the camera. ZERO editing:
https://www.facebook.com/io.waters/acti … 2565944881

https://www.facebook.com/io.waters/acti … 2592964881

Mar 27 13 04:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Something Guy
Posts: 14,766
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


I'm honest.
Your avi looks like an air brush of one tone, no detail in the skin.
If I put a almost direct light on someone's face then there is little or no detail.

As for the raw file it's about 2 stops over ... hence the bleached out skin.
Mar 27 13 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Byron Johnson
Posts: 767
Norman, Oklahoma, US


As long as a model is at least 18, I really don't care about age at all.  If a model looks good, then they look good, so what do I care.  I do care about honesty however and would be hesitant to trust a model who lied about her age.  And I would find out since I always view and copy a model's photo ID and require that they put their date of birth on the release form.  And putting a false birth date on a release form and then signing it is technically fraud.
Mar 28 13 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


R Byron Johnson wrote:
As long as a model is at least 18, I really don't care about age at all.  If a model looks good, then they look good, so what do I care.  I do care about honesty however and would be hesitant to trust a model who lied about her age.  And I would find out since I always view and copy a model's photo ID and require that they put their date of birth on the release form.  And putting a false birth date on a release form and then signing it is technically fraud.

Yeah, but that's not what I would ever do, anyway. I was simply talking about in the MM listed age section, not IRL or even in my bio. smile

Mar 28 13 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt Duke
Posts: 121
Cypress, California, US


I was interested in working with a llama on MM a couple months ago. Within one week I noticed her age changed from 28 to 24 to 27. I think 28 was her real age and she didn't look any younger.
Mar 28 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


Matt Duke wrote:
I was interested in working with a model on MM a couple months ago. Within one week I noticed her age changed from 28 to 24 to 27. I think 28 was her real age and she didn't look any younger.

Those are rather funny/random jumps.

Mar 28 13 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Klung1 Photographic
Posts: 152
New York, New York, US


I think the way you handled it on your profile page works fine.
It gets you in the filter, but doesn't mislead anyone as to your actual age.
Mar 28 13 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
37photog
Posts: 692
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Klung1 Photographic wrote:
I think the way you handled it on your profile page works fine.
It gets you in the filter, but doesn't mislead anyone as to your actual age.

Really??  I was going to say the opposite.  Kinda wierds me out tbh.  If your gonna do it, do it.  Don't do it, then say your not really 25 or whatever.  I'd suggest picking a "model age" on MM (27), and letting it ride. But once that hits 30 no changing it again.

Apr 01 13 06:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Northern Lights Images
Posts: 264
Boston, Massachusetts, US


honesty is good blah blah
Apr 01 13 06:39 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Kithos
Posts: 356
Cary, North Carolina, US


For sheer humorous purposes I change my age every week. It's a mockery to vanity. I actually just turned 30 and I think most people can tell who have been around awhile based off how long I have been in this industry. Someone sent me an email the other day saying how they like that I keep getting younger every week. It provides me with entertainment, so I say have fun with the age game. If you look younger and haven't aged much, I say list your age range. It's what commercial agencies do to market you to clients.

Technically at 30 I should be shooting soccer Mom ads, but my commercial print agency can't cast me in that role yet until my face ages. Honestly, this web site is catered to amateur photographers. The photogs who care about your age I found are typically ones who have some sick little fantasy of wanting a little girl to photograph or are seeking a naive child to manipulate. Professional photographers could care less about the number and more about how you photograph.
Apr 01 13 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Kithos
Posts: 356
Cary, North Carolina, US


Matt Duke wrote:
I was interested in working with a model on MM a couple months ago. Within one week I noticed her age changed from 28 to 24 to 27. I think 28 was her real age and she didn't look any younger.

Was it me? LOL

Apr 01 13 06:47 am  Link  Quote 
Model
M A U I
Posts: 1,587
Harare, Harare, Zimbabwe


If I was a 40 year old woman who was being told that I look better than a 20 year old, I wouldn't even be bothered to give myself a fake lower age, even by a day.
Apr 01 13 07:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith92883
Posts: 137
Corona, California, US


Insufficient data. You port pictures are to doctored up in photoshop to make an accurate age determination.
Apr 01 13 07:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


io wrote:
here's me, zero makeup or retouching: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/200210_10150160071214881_6229084_n.jpg

Based on this, if you want to be found by people searching for models under 30 I would suggest you set your age here on MM to mid/late-20s, maybe 27 or something like that.

Honestly, I don't think it matters as long as you genuinely look like the age you put.

I had a nasty surprise once with a model who listed her age as 29 but when she got off the train I genuinely thought she'd brought her mother with her and the model herself was going to get off the train a moment later! Sadly, it wasn't to be and I ended up shooting a woman who was clearly in her mid 40s and not being able to use a single one of the images for myself! sad



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Apr 01 13 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Feverstockphoto wrote:
It's a requirement that information be correct on model release forms that i use

You don't need a model release in the UK, just FYI wink




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Apr 01 13 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lance DuLac
Posts: 59
Colchester, England, United Kingdom


Lies will out. They are to be avoided at all costs. A woman who lies will never find a husband. Try not to lie.
Apr 01 13 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lakeshore Photography
Posts: 144
Holland, Michigan, US


I'd say you're fine. Your work shows what you are capable of, not your age.
Apr 01 13 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


Keith92883 wrote:
Insufficient data. You port pictures are to doctored up in photoshop to make an accurate age determination.

These are sort of baffling to me, because a good many of my images have very little "doctoring." Again, please see those in my bio, there's no photoshop.

Apr 02 13 09:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Based on this, if you want to be found by people searching for models under 30 I would suggest you set your age here on MM to mid/late-20s, maybe 27 or something like that.

Honestly, I don't think it matters as long as you genuinely look like the age you put.

I had a nasty surprise once with a model who listed her age as 29 but when she got off the train I genuinely thought she'd brought her mother with her and the model herself was going to get off the train a moment later! Sadly, it wasn't to be and I ended up shooting a woman who was clearly in her mid 40s and not being able to use a single one of the images for myself! sad



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Yeah, that's where I set my age. I think I look roughly around 26. I don't yet have any fine lines or wrinkles and my skin is quite tight and "glowy," but I have a harder/strong bone structure without the young baby fat.

But whoa, I feel bad for you and for that sad lady. sad

Apr 02 13 09:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bobby C
Posts: 897
Portland, Oregon, US


Model Mayhem is a hobby site. put in whatever age you want as long as you are not under age.
Apr 03 13 07:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


Lance DuLac wrote:
Lies will out. They are to be avoided at all costs. A woman who lies will never find a husband. Try not to lie.

Hahaha, tell that to mine...he's stuck with me 14 years. smile

Apr 03 13 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


M A U I wrote:
If I was a 40 year old woman who was being told that I look better than a 20 year old, I wouldn't even be bothered to give myself a fake lower age, even by a day.

Oh trust me, I don't understand ACTUALLY lying about your age. I love shocking people by telling them I'm 30, if I said "26" they'd just go "meh."

Apr 03 13 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
Model
TaylorDunn
Posts: 41
Los Angeles, California, US


Lance DuLac wrote:
Lies will out. They are to be avoided at all costs. A woman who lies will never find a husband. Try not to lie.

Oh.......... wow.

Apr 03 13 11:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Phoenix_L
Posts: 55
Paris, Île-de-France, France


I don't encourage you to do so, strongly.

You might not get a job for a teen model or early-20s;
But there 're also appreciations & preferences for models in your age~~
Apr 09 13 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Hellz Bellz, OP! I'm also a jewelry designer, and if I were looking for an 18-year-old in your area to model my designs, I'd totally believe you if you walked in! (No exaggeration.)
Apr 10 13 07:15 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


io wrote:

Wow, that was snarky, snarky. Some are, some aren't. In fact, in the most recent my face wasn't touched at all. However, realizing that much of the work I do is so stylized, this is why I have completely unretouched images and makeup-free shots on my main bio page. The images are not bleached, I'm really that neon white. Why, would you care to see some of my raw files? Better yet, here's me, zero makeup or retouching: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/200210_10150160071214881_6229084_n.jpg
And these, straight from the camera. ZERO editing:
https://www.facebook.com/io.waters/acti … 2565944881

https://www.facebook.com/io.waters/acti … 2592964881

I get where you're coming from with the "my skin really is that color" situation... I've ACTUALLY had photographers complain that I reflect too much light back at them. x-P

Apr 10 13 07:17 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Lance DuLac wrote:
Lies will out. They are to be avoided at all costs. A woman who lies will never find a husband. Try not to lie.

XDDDDDDDDD

Apr 10 13 07:43 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Precious Metal
Posts: 1,396
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I don't lie about my age but it someone asks i start off with 21 with 13 years experience LOL
Apr 10 13 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


io wrote:
I've always been one of those people who believed that withholding or lying about one's age is ridiculous. I always thought it was far better to be a well-maintained 30something than a somewhat ragged 20something. That said, having just turned 30, I've begun running into some things that make me question whether or not I should (on paper) lie about my age when it comes to modeling jobs.

It started when I was called in for a casting asking for women in their late 20's to early 30's. Upon seeing me in person they did not believe my age (until I showed my ID) and then they said my look was far too young and that I should apply to castings for the under-25 set. I was flattered, but I also lost a great paying job and hours of my time.

Now at a point in my career where I'm relying heavily on modeling for supplemental income, I don't want to miss potential opportunities because people think I will look older than I actually do. What should I do?

Feel free to look at my portfolio (especially the main profile page with the very recent behind-the-scenes and makeup-free shots), and help me out. Suggestions for or against, or how young I should advertise myself as being able to depict would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

If you openly admit lieing about anything to do with  a job,, then you are out.. never to return..(to us that is)

Apr 10 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Zoo
Posts: 39
San Francisco, California, US


I think you're doing it right ... List a younger age for search purposes but say up-front that you're actually older. 

Lovely look and great port!  I'd love to draw you when I'm in New York next.  smile
Apr 10 13 12:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 33,567
San Diego, California, US


Lying is a reflection on our character.

Withholding private information or releasing it on a need-to-know basis is justifiable. So is throwing curve balls.

Whatever it is we have to work with, we should build upon our strengths and avoid our weaknesses.

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The only critical age as far as I'm concerned is if a model is over or under 18.

Yes, sometimes I filter my searches by age and weight, just to cut down on the number of responses I have to weed through. In that case, I might miss you.

On the other hand, if you contacted me in any way for any reason, you would have my undivided attention and your age would be totally irrelevant to me.

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There are more than a few women who are in twisted denial about the fact they are aging. Everyone sees it but them.

Don't do that "I'm 30 but I look 20" stuff we sometimes see in portfolio intros. It only draws attention to the fact that they are worried about their age.

Embrace who you are and run with it. For every year we gain, there are things we can do now that we couldn't do before and we will not be able to do later.
Apr 10 13 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Serena Toxicat
Posts: 313
Oakland, California, US


I would say no and here's why (besides the fact that I'm proud as hell). For marketing purposes I listed a younger age, as my past work had come almost exclusively from jobs hiring from that demographic. In the body of my profile I explained that this was for search purposes and listed my real age. I also mentioned my tattoos. When I got to one particular job and they saw my ink and ID, they thought I had lied. After that, I assumed that if it could happen once, it could again. I may have lost out on some gigs since then but the drama isn't worth it.
Apr 10 13 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Serena Toxicat
Posts: 313
Oakland, California, US


Ha! Just saw what you said. YES, most people do get that. It was just the one time.

Zoo wrote:
I think you're doing it right ... List a younger age for search purposes but say up-front that you're actually older. 

Lovely look and great port!  I'd love to draw you when I'm in New York next.  smile

Apr 10 13 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Serena Toxicat
Posts: 313
Oakland, California, US


What? I get the last word on MM? Crazy! tongue
Apr 11 13 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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