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Photographer
She Smokes
Posts: 6
NEWBURY PARK, California, US


Hey everyone, I normally book ladies for my fetish websites via adult industry agencies, that's what I've been used to for the past 8 years. They have been very reliable, great to work with, and if any cancellations had to happen I'm always notified ahead of time and a replacement is arranged, it's all worked great. But I decided to try out Model Mayhem to see how it is for a more mainstream fetish site that I have which just shows ladies smoking. I made a paid casting call, booked 4 ladies, and only 1 actually showed up. So that's a 75% no show / cancellation rate.

So I'm curious, how reliable are the ladies here generally speaking? Did I maybe just get unlucky? The lady that did show up was lovely and it was a good shoot, but if a 75% no show rate is what I have to look forward to then I'm not going to waste my time here anymore.
Mar 22 13 01:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,179
Chicago, Illinois, US


75% is about right.   Why not cast in several places.   Here, omp, Craigslist...
Mar 22 13 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,372
Upland, California, US


To She Smokes --

She Smokes wrote:
Hey everyone, I normally book ladies for my fetish websites via adult industry agencies, that's what I've been used to for the past 8 years. They have been very reliable, great to work with, and if any cancellations had to happen I'm always notified ahead of time and a replacement is arranged, it's all worked great. But I decided to try out Model Mayhem to see how it is for a more mainstream fetish site that I have which just shows ladies smoking. I made a paid casting call, booked 4 ladies, and only 1 actually showed up. So that's a 75% no show / cancellation rate.

So I'm curious, how reliable are the ladies here generally speaking? Did I maybe just get unlucky? The lady that did show up was lovely and it was a good shoot, but if a 75% no show rate is what I have to look forward to then I'm not going to waste my time here anymore.

That's better than normal. Good job!

I do paid "one on ones" and need to contact about 18-20 MM models to do one shoot. I get a good number of flakes and last minute cancellations. From where I'm standing, you did rather well.

Mar 22 13 01:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


She Smokes wrote:
Hey everyone, I normally book ladies for my fetish websites via adult industry agencies, that's what I've been used to for the past 8 years. They have been very reliable, great to work with, and if any cancellations had to happen I'm always notified ahead of time and a replacement is arranged, it's all worked great. But I decided to try out Model Mayhem to see how it is for a more mainstream fetish site that I have which just shows ladies smoking. I made a paid casting call, booked 4 ladies, and only 1 actually showed up. So that's a 75% no show / cancellation rate.

So I'm curious, how reliable are the ladies here generally speaking? Did I maybe just get unlucky? The lady that did show up was lovely and it was a good shoot, but if a 75% no show rate is what I have to look forward to then I'm not going to waste my time here anymore.

Cast on many places, not just here!   I've posted on Craigslists with better success than here, even though many of those answering my casting calls there also have profiles here. 

As to reducing the chances of models flaking ... are you exchanging phone numbers and talking with these models before booking them?  I find that the combination of exchanging information and details as to the shoot through messages, then confirming that they understand this information by phone works best for me.  I have hardly any flakes, as in a half dozen in 30 year, or less than 1%. 

Something else you must consider is that smoking is on the decline, and that some models might chicken out at the last minute.  Talking with them will give you a better idea as to if they are really a smoker or just going to pretend.  Of course I don't know if you are requiring that they actually smoke or not?   It's something you should make clear before booking them. 

If you want, you can message me and I'll send you the whole article I wrote on reducing the chances of models flaking or being late.  I've posted it so many times on this forum though!

Mar 22 13 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


Bare Essential Photos wrote:
To She Smokes --
That's better than normal. Good job!

I do paid "one on ones" and need to contact about 18-20 MM models to do one shoot. I get a good number of flakes and last minute cancellations. From where I'm standing, you did rather well.

How many do you actually "book" that don't show up?  I don't understand!   However is having "contact" with 18-20 potential models means that you book 1 out of 18 you've been communication with ... that is different!   I thought we are talking about those who confirm they are going to show but don't show or call?  I have maybe 1 out of more than 100 that has done a "no show/call" on me.   Most of those times I've had back up plans anyway.  I have found models on Modelmayhem to be very reliable!

Mar 22 13 01:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,372
Upland, California, US


To Patrick Walberg --

Bare Essential Photos wrote:
To She Smokes --
That's better than normal. Good job!

I do paid "one on ones" and need to contact about 18-20 MM models to do one shoot. I get a good number of flakes and last minute cancellations. From where I'm standing, you did rather well.

As stated, I contact about 18-20 MM models to do one paid shoot. Included are flakes and last minute cancellations. It varies, of course.

Mar 22 13 02:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ShotbyRon
Posts: 767
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


I used MM to book 2 shoots, either showed up. I since then have gone to FB. I still get my share of flakes.. But I like my odds better there. Honest, I see no purpose in using MM outside the forums.
Mar 22 13 02:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,532
Salem, Oregon, US


i've had good luck paying the going rate for traveling nude models. trade shoots are more like 50/50. you take your chances. if you do find a reliable one keep working with them.
Mar 22 13 02:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24,078
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


This is more of a mainstream regular girl website, so the combination of "fetish" in your profile, and the smoking theme, may put some potential models off. I'd re-write it as you run a smoking themed website and are looking for models who would pose with a cig or while smoking - then get into the paid part, etc. That would be more normal for the more normal type of crowd here.

Also, the members here, well a lot of them, aren't on the other fetish sites and wouldn't know who you were or wouldn't be as accepting of your idea/fetish. So I'd again talk about what you do in a little different light and approach it a little differently than you would on some other site.

That said, I'm sure on other sites you have many references, worked with many people, and can cast well - but again MM is a bit different in that it's more based on your work and what you can do for others than your idea or how long you've run the site or have been in a fet community. If they don't like your idea, or if you're coming on creepy or different, than they will be a bit more likely to drop the idea.


IMO



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com
Mar 22 13 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,515
Portland, Oregon, US


There ain't no ladies here; only models.

Judging from the proliferation of "flake threads", tons of photographers have a terrible time finding reliable models.

Others, however, (ahem, like myself) have excellent success with finding reliable models.  The differences...
...  I'm willing to check references,
...  I prefer working with experienced models (and they have references),
...  I'm willing to pay models.

I've had 2 flakes in almost 20 years. 

So, the bottom line answer:  it depends.
Mar 22 13 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,786
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Zero flakes for me smile
Mar 22 13 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
She Smokes
Posts: 6
NEWBURY PARK, California, US


Thanks for the replies guys. Well it's more about the reliability for me that is important as when I book a slot I *need* to film it, otherwise it's detrimental to my business since I run multiple websites and need to keep them fed with content. That's why other options like craigslist, etc aren't appealing since when booked I really need the model to show up. I thought MM may be different as it seemed to be more professional hence why I figured give it a shot, but I guess not sad

I can understand some girls being turned off by the fetish aspect of my sites and that's totally ok, but I make that clear when talking with them including linking them the site that the videos/pics will go on to be sure there are no surprises. Heck my website is right in my profile here. So I presume once they have seen my website and booked the shoot that they are ok with it. I guess I was wrong there as well.

In the 500+ shoots I've done with local adult industry agencies here in LA, I've literally only had one shoot ruined where the girl couldn't show up and they couldn't find me a replacement in time. The agency profusely apologized and offered me a kill fee which I waived (agencies will pay me a kill fee if they can't get a girl to show up) since I had done so much business with them in the past anyways. That's more of what I'm used to, book a girl and she shows up. The irony of it all is that the girls here on MM actually cost the same or more than the adult agency girls and are more restricted in what they do, yet they are more unreliable. Go figure.

Anyways thanks very much for the input guys, it was very eye opening to say the least.
Mar 22 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


Bare Essential Photos wrote:
To Patrick Walberg --


As stated, I contact about 18-20 MM models to do one paid shoot. Included are flakes and last minute cancellations. It varies, of course.

Alright, throw out the number of ones that don't confirm.  Tell me how many models actually confirm that they will show up, but don't?   I'm interested, because a confirmed model that is a "no show/no call" is a true flake to me.  Last minute cancels, I appreciate that they called.   I replace them quickly or reschedule.  So perhaps the difference in how we define "flakes?"

I'd say that 1 out of 10 will call to cancel or reschedule ... usually 24 hours or more before we were to shoot.  I don't consider that flaking.

Mar 22 13 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
sdgillis
Posts: 2,442
Portland, Oregon, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
Tell me how many llamas actually confirm that they will show up, but don't?

A lot less when you actually work on your portfolio.  Lazy people get lazy results.

Mar 22 13 02:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Hieronimi
Posts: 238
Chicago, Illinois, US


ShotbyRon wrote:
I used MM to book 2 shoots, either showed up. I since then have gone to FB. I still get my share of flakes.. But I like my odds better there. Honest, I see no purpose in using MM outside the forums.

That's unfortunate. Not all models are flakes. Some MM models are serious about following through with shoots.

Mar 22 13 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,532
Salem, Oregon, US


to me a shoot that gets scheduled but never happens is a flake.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I'd say that 1 out of 10 will call to cancel or reschedule ... usually 24 hours or more before we were to shoot.  I don't consider that flaking.

Mar 22 13 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Or maybe it's not MM ladies that are unreliable...it's smokers.
Mar 22 13 03:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


She Smokes wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys. Well it's more about the reliability for me that is important as when I book a slot I *need* to film it, otherwise it's detrimental to my business since I run multiple websites and need to keep them fed with content. That's why other options like craigslist, etc aren't appealing since when booked I really need the model to show up. I thought MM may be different as it seemed to be more professional hence why I figured give it a shot, but I guess not sad

I can understand some girls being turned off by the fetish aspect of my sites and that's totally ok, but I make that clear when talking with them including linking them the site that the videos/pics will go on to be sure there are no surprises. Heck my website is right in my profile here. So I presume once they have seen my website and booked the shoot that they are ok with it. I guess I was wrong there as well.

In the 500+ shoots I've done with local adult industry agencies here in LA, I've literally only had one shoot ruined where the girl couldn't show up and they couldn't find me a replacement in time. The agency profusely apologized and offered me a kill fee which I waived (agencies will pay me a kill fee if they can't get a girl to show up) since I had done so much business with them in the past anyways. That's more of what I'm used to, book a girl and she shows up. The irony of it all is that the girls here on MM actually cost the same or more than the adult agency girls and are more restricted in what they do, yet they are more unreliable. Go figure.

Anyways thanks very much for the input guys, it was very eye opening to say the least.

On a more serious note...what you will find quite a bit of on MM (or any internet site) are new models who like the concept of modeling. They enjoy the interaction, the discussions about working as a model...the romance of the "industry dance."

Yet, and I'm sure especially in your case because the content deals with fetish, when the rubber hits the road so to speak...and it's time to stop the talk and actually deliver (i.e. show up), the reality hits and they flake. It's all fun & games until they need to perform.

You don't get that with Agencies because they would never retain someone like that for any period of time.

Mar 22 13 03:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,372
Upland, California, US


To Patrick Walberg --

Patrick Walberg wrote:

Alright, throw out the number of ones that don't confirm.  Tell me how many models actually confirm that they will show up, but don't?   I'm interested, because a confirmed model that is a "no show/no call" is a true flake to me.  Last minute cancels, I appreciate that they called.   I replace them quickly or reschedule.  So perhaps the difference in how we define "flakes?"

I'd say that 1 out of 10 will call to cancel or reschedule ... usually 24 hours or more before we were to shoot.  I don't consider that flaking.

My comment wasn't made for your convenience. It was made in regards to the OP's thread, as it should be.

Mar 22 13 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
She Smokes
Posts: 6
NEWBURY PARK, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Yet, and I'm sure especially in your case because the content deals with fetish, when the rubber hits the road so to speak...and it's time to stop the talk and actually deliver (i.e. show up), the reality hits and they flake. It's all fun & games until they need to perform.

You don't get that with Agencies because they would never retain someone like that for any period of time.

That's true, with no agent in the mix means no checks and balances and no repercussions for not showing up. For others that are curious, all four models had confirmed the shoot, three of the four were experienced, and the website was mentioned so they all knew it was a fetish shoot. So it goes I guess.

Mar 22 13 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Larry Quick
Posts: 117
Boynton Beach, Florida, US


It probably depends on how you are posting your casting. Check out the models more carefully to see if they fit your needs.
Mar 22 13 06:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MMR Digital
Posts: 1,700
Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US


She Smokes wrote:
Hey everyone, I normally book ladies for my fetish websites via adult industry agencies, that's what I've been used to for the past 8 years. They have been very reliable, great to work with, and if any cancellations had to happen I'm always notified ahead of time and a replacement is arranged, it's all worked great. But I decided to try out Model Mayhem to see how it is for a more mainstream fetish site that I have which just shows ladies smoking. I made a paid casting call, booked 4 ladies, and only 1 actually showed up. So that's a 75% no show / cancellation rate.

So I'm curious, how reliable are the ladies here generally speaking? Did I maybe just get unlucky? The lady that did show up was lovely and it was a good shoot, but if a 75% no show rate is what I have to look forward to then I'm not going to waste my time here anymore.

About 3% from the phone call I had tonight.

This is MM. What? Trolling for wannabees~~~

Mar 22 13 06:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,792
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


This is not a fetish-friendly site.  This is the place where offering money to a model to shoot anything puts you under suspicion.  This is because the photographers here who wave the "real artists don't model for money" banner have convinced many wannabe and newbie models that only creepy guys offer an inexperienced girl money to model.  They tell girls that offering 100/hr to shoot mild fetish content means that you are really looking to shoot hardcore porn.

One suggestion I will offer is that once you have worked with a couple models from here, you should post their photos in your portfolio and link to their profiles here.  That way, prospective models can have a couple references they can easily check.

There are some models here who shoot fetish work, and they are among the most dependable and experienced models on the site.  In your screening process, look for those who have "fetish" checked under their genres and have a picture or two to back it up.  Most fetish models here have to fly under the radar a bit because of the site rules.
Mar 22 13 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,862
Imperial, California, US


Just a little bit less reliable than cable repairmen. IMHO
Mar 22 13 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


ontherocks wrote:
to me a shoot that gets scheduled but never happens is a flake.


I don't schedule too far in advance. To schedule about one to two weeks out is good, on up to a month, but never longer than a month away.   I stay in contact, and that means a quick phone call the night before as a reminder.   That's the way I used to do it when working in a portrait studio.    If I'm not able to confirm the shoot, it might not be happening.

Mar 22 13 08:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


Bare Essential Photos wrote:
To Patrick Walberg --
My comment wasn't made for your convenience. It was made in regards to the OP's thread, as it should be.

Say what??? Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.   hmm

Mar 22 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
She Smokes
Posts: 6
NEWBURY PARK, California, US


MoRina wrote:
One suggestion I will offer is that once you have worked with a couple models from here, you should post their photos in your portfolio and link to their profiles here.  That way, prospective models can have a couple references they can easily check.

There are some models here who shoot fetish work, and they are among the most dependable and experienced models on the site.  In your screening process, look for those who have "fetish" checked under their genres and have a picture or two to back it up.  Most fetish models here have to fly under the radar a bit because of the site rules.

Ok thanks I like those ideas, I'll check for the fetish tag before considering someone. I didn't think that would be a big deal because my shoot was extremely tame, there wasn't even any nudity. So for example here's a pic from the one girl that did show up:

http://www.shesmokes.com/images/gallery … leine3.jpg

That's it, she just sat there and smoked in different outfits. Oh this is the lady in that pic:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/2826430

My hat goes off to her for showing up, she was a very nice lady. I'll add her pic to my portfolio here and link it back to her.

Mar 22 13 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


She Smokes wrote:

That's true, with no agent in the mix means no checks and balances and no repercussions for not showing up. For others that are curious, all four models had confirmed the shoot, three of the four were experienced, and the website was mentioned so they all knew it was a fetish shoot. So it goes I guess.

You're very straight forward.  You say you've confirmed them ... and it's obvious that they know what the shoot entails.  I've looked over what you've written in your profile, and there "should be" no misunderstanding what you are shooting.  At this point, I am clueless as to why they would bail on you.  Sorry.

Mar 22 13 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,792
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Mar 22 13 08:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,713
Salinas, California, US


MoRina wrote:
I also hire models to do PG-rated fetish content, no nudity required.  But the two tough words for many to get past are "fetish" and "video".

Don't forget, when you hired through an adult agency, you are asking girls to do much less than they are already comfortable doing.  Here, you are asking many to step outside their comfort zone. 

Let's face it - fetish work is adult in nature and not for everyone.  It isn't the action you are asking someone to do (smoking) that is offensive - it is the usage of that material and that some consider it to be porn.

That could very well be the issue right there!  It's not a reason or excuse to flake, but someone clearly are not comfortable with the thought of smoking on camera apparently?  They need to admit it before committing to a shoot though.

I think he might have more success on Craigslist.

Mar 22 13 09:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,235
New York, New York, US


MoRina wrote:
This is not a fetish-friendly site.  This is the place where offering money to a model to shoot anything puts you under suspicion.  This is because the photographers here who wave the "real artists don't model for money" banner have convinced many wannabe and newbie models that only creepy guys offer an inexperienced girl money to model.  They tell girls that offering 100/hr to shoot mild fetish content means that you are really looking to shoot hardcore porn.

One suggestion I will offer is that once you have worked with a couple models from here, you should post their photos in your portfolio and link to their profiles here.  That way, prospective models can have a couple references they can easily check.

There are some models here who shoot fetish work, and they are among the most dependable and experienced models on the site.  In your screening process, look for those who have "fetish" checked under their genres and have a picture or two to back it up.  Most fetish models here have to fly under the radar a bit because of the site rules.

I would have to disagree with you on this not being a fetish friendly site. There are many many models who shoot fetish and some who will not post it but do it. I have shot many women with fetish content TF.

Mar 22 13 09:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,792
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Marin Photography wrote:
I would have to disagree with you on this not being a fetish friendly site. There are many many models who shoot fetish and some who will not post it but do it. I have shot many women with fetish content TF.

Did you read all of what I wrote or just the first sentence?

And why do you think many shoot it but don't post it????

Mar 22 13 10:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,792
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
That could very well be the issue right there!  It's not a reason or excuse to flake, but someone clearly are not comfortable with the thought of smoking on camera apparently?  They need to admit it before committing to a shoot though.

I think he might have more success on Craigslist.

I agree - there is never a reason to agree to a shoot and then not show up.  If someone changes their mind, I am not sure why it is so http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngto send a text or an email to cancel!

What happens is that a model agrees to the shoot because the content is pretty tame and innocent.  Then, she tells a friend or two what she is doing...and then the friend says "OMG!!! You are shooting PORN????!!!!! You know guys are going to whack off to that, right?"  It doesn't matter that the friend herself models in a G-string with her ass pointed at the camera....

Mar 22 13 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
She Smokes
Posts: 6
NEWBURY PARK, California, US


MoRina wrote:
I also hire models to do PG-rated fetish content, no nudity required.  But the two tough words for many to get past are "fetish" and "video".

Don't forget, when you hired through an adult agency, you are asking girls to do much less than they are already comfortable doing.  Here, you are asking many to step outside their comfort zone. 

Let's face it - fetish work is adult in nature and not for everyone.  It isn't the action you are asking someone to do (smoking) that is offensive - it is the usage of that material and that some consider it to be porn.

Perhaps...but on the other hand my profile has the word "fetish" in it, the first line of my MM bio is "I own and operate the SheSmokes.com fetish website.", and the first line of my casting call was "I'm looking for a female model that smokes to film for my website SheSmokes.com." So it's not like I was hiding anything, I tried to make it as clear as possible where the content will go, and I even directed the ladies again to the website to see sample pictures (all the picture galleries are publicly viewable) to see the type of content and they were cool with it. It's doubly irritating because if you remove me from the picture for a second, I had to turn down other models for those three available time slots, models who perhaps really wanted to film this content or perhaps needed the money. It's just unfair to everyone.

In any case I took your advice and tweaked my portfolio here, turns out I've already filmed other ladies here in the past so I put their pictures up and linked to their profile on MM. Maybe that will put future ladies more at ease. I'll probably give it another shot at some point just in case my first experience was a weird anomaly.

Mar 22 13 10:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Retiredmodel
Posts: 7,884
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


She Smokes wrote:
Perhaps...but on the other hand my profile has the word "fetish" in it, the first line of my MM bio is "I own and operate the SheSmokes.com fetish website.", and the first line of my casting call was "I'm looking for a female model that smokes to film for my website SheSmokes.com." So it's not like I was hiding anything, I tried to make it as clear as possible where the content will go, and I even directed the ladies again to the website to see sample pictures (all the picture galleries are publicly viewable) to see the type of content and they were cool with it. It's doubly irritating because if you remove me from the picture for a second, I had to turn down other models for those three available time slots, models who perhaps really wanted to film this content or perhaps needed the money. It's just unfair to everyone.

In any case I took your advice and tweaked my portfolio here, turns out I've already filmed other ladies here in the past so I put their pictures up and linked to their profile on MM. Maybe that will put future ladies more at ease. I'll probably give it another shot at some point just in case my first experience was a weird anomaly.

So. We get a polite enquiry. We respond. After research we get a bit concerned.

You see I have no issues with smoking for photography. I think if women didn't think smoking was sexy none of us would ever have taken it up.

It is simply the use of that for pure gratification and money we have concerns about. At the end of the day we often model because we like Art, fashion, photography. So most of us would bust a gut to shoot with Ellen Von
if she wanted us to smoke because she will handle it atrtistically.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5NiGFkk9I-A/STwfYShDmgI/AAAAAAAAAHk/tnwsssGl4Ss/s400/evu_revenge_154.jpg

But we may get cold feet if there is no artistic integrity if that makes sense. The more the ante is upped artistically  the more reliable the model you attract smile

And if you don't think there is anything fetishistic about that Ellen Von Unwerth shot I suggest you google 'Revenge'.

Mar 23 13 06:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
She Smokes
Posts: 6
NEWBURY PARK, California, US


I understand what you mean, and I love that picture you posted. But ultimately I prefer that prospect models determine all that before confirming a shoot, if the word confirm is to actually mean anything anymore. For example imagine I booked you for a shoot, you turned down other offers to come shoot for me, you drive all the way here, unpack your outfits, then I look at you and suddenly think nah I changed my mind I don't think you have the artistic integrity I need and sent you home. I imagine you'd prefer that I determine all that before confirming you for a shoot. Likewise with ladies that see my casting call, if they think my work is garbage then that's ok, just don't confirm a shoot with me since to me "confirm" mean yup I read your casting call, I saw your website, I've evaluated your work and I would like to do a shoot with you.
Mar 23 13 09:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jouissance Images
Posts: 744
Bloomington, Minnesota, US


No criticism intended, and a bit off topic, but I was reminded today by a model that using the term "lady" for "woman" is no longer appreciated by most "women."
Mar 23 13 09:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,235
New York, New York, US


MoRina wrote:
Did you read all of what I wrote or just the first sentence?

And why do you think many shoot it but don't post it????

They don't post it because they know there are small minded people who like to label everything and they don't want to be labeled or categorized. It is better to be versatile, they know that.  You know that. I just said I disagree with this not being fetish friendly site is all. The rest of what you wrote I agree with. I should have made that clear. oops!.

Mar 23 13 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Sierra McKenzie
Posts: 711
Seattle, Washington, US


There are professional models on here and hobbyist models. The more you're willing to pay, the more likely you'll get someone professional.

I'd specifically look for pro models in your area and keep an eye on the travel posts.

There are some really pro freelancers that do some awesome work, and model mayhem is the best way to find them.

(On this note, I really wish instead of experience level model mayhem had artists put "hobbyist" "semi-professional" or "professional". Would make searching for artists for specific jobs much easier!)
Mar 23 13 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


They are as reliable as the green in your pocket and I'm not talking gummie bears.
Mar 23 13 10:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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