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Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Jay Farrell wrote:
As far as bikini first, if I was setting up a nude shoot, and I got a bikini pic instead, I'd be concerned that nudes aren't for that model and would proceed cautiously.

I agree.. Either you're comfortable with strangers seeing you naked or you're not.

Mar 23 13 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
To me that seems more creepy than anything. Plus if you take them yourself what more could a cell pic show (other than boobies) that a bikini or simple underwear pic wouldn't?



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Sometimes boobies look fine in a bikini, but look like oranges in socks when they're unleashed. I don't think this is the case with the OP, but you never know..

Mar 23 13 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,420
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Isis22 wrote:
How does knowing what your body looks like help him "plan" for the shoot? He already has your measurements and a general idea of your body type from the pics that you do have posted.

I would really trust your gut to see if this is a reasonable request. The fact that he said he wanted them today might be seen as pressure. I don't like demands.

I don't think what she looks like nude is specific to the planning - in the sense that the size of her breasts does not affect what lens he needs to rent.  But some photographers plan a shoot 2 months in advance so they can book the studio or location, make arrangements for wardrobe, hair and makeup. 

If I am planning something two months in advance I want to KNOW that the model is suitable for the shoot.  The size and appearance of the model's breasts may be important to the concept - and what breasts look like in a bikini are different from what they look like nude.  Or he may want to know she is actually comfortable having her photo taken nude.  If he waits six weeks until she has done a nude shoot and gets the pictures back, what happens if the shots reveal something he does not want.  Or six weeks from now the model may not have done a nude shoot and there are no pics to show at all.  That leaves the photographer with little time to book another model.

When I post a casting that requires some form of nudity and I don't see it in the portfolio, the model has the choice to prove she has the right look and will do the required nudity.  If she can't provide the necessary proof then I will move on to the next model.  Proof can come in the form of a link to an existing nude photo, emailing a photo, or in some cases arranging a test session in studio.

Just my $0.02

Mar 23 13 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
London Fog
Posts: 6,673
London, England, United Kingdom


John Jebbia wrote:

Sometimes boobies look fine in a bikini, but look like oranges in socks when they're unleashed. I don't think this is the case with the OP, but you never know..

'oranges in socks' haha, excellent!

Some have even looked like grapefruits!

Mar 23 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23,306
Atlanta, Georgia, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
On the other hand, it could be a totally legitimate request, and the information above is just be an insight into the way your mind works.

Wow. Take it down a notch or two. Is a detective who deduces how a crime is committed a criminal himself? Of course not.

There have been enough creeps around here for his argument to be valid. Without personal knowledge of the photographer referenced in the OP, it's a possibility among others to be considered.

Mar 23 13 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jay Farrell
Posts: 12,999
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Wow how did this discussion turn into a total toolfest?
Mar 23 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 4,894
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US


Jay Farrell wrote:
Wow how did this discussion turn into a total toolfest?

The usual way.

Mar 23 13 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


C h a r l e s  D wrote:
If the photographer is going to hire you for nudes, and you don't have any nudes to view in your portfolio, it is not an unreasonable request.  I don't like surprises when hiring nude models.

+1

They don't have to be cellphone pics per-se, just something to show what the model looks like without clothes. Even a fairly small bikini can disguise issues that will be problematic shooting nudes.



Just my $0.02

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Mar 23 13 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 12,999
Nashville, Tennessee, US


NewBoldPhoto wrote:

The usual way.

Oh. LOL. Of course big_smile

Mar 23 13 12:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Danielle Hieronimi wrote:
Is it normal practice for a photographer to request a cell phone picture prior to a nude shoot?

I'm planning on working with a photographer I like in two months, and he requested I send him a nude cell phone picture today, so he can see what my body looks like for him to plan the shoot. He said that the pictures would be deleted a few minutes after receiving them.

I just want a consensus as to whether this is normal practice, and I should do this or not?

Thank you!

It shouldn't have to be a cell phone picture, but it's not at all unreasonable to want to see what you look like nude when planning a nude shoot.  You don't even have any swimsuit or lingerie pictures, so a photographer really has nothing to go on.

Mar 23 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
Is there something about April that would help all of this make more sense?
RKD Photographic wrote:
Perhaps the OP was being 'creative' with her DoB when signing up for MM...?
Not that I'm saying this is the case, but usually when models defer nude shoots until after a specific date, it's for reasons of legal-age requirement.

You do realize that April is a week away, right?

And, since the OP is 18, there's a good chance that she is in high school.  Keeping nudes to a minimum, even when you're 18, make a lot of sense for a high school student.

Mar 23 13 12:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Demeter Photography wrote:
So just tell him to wait until your nude shoot is done.  Better to send him a watermarked, (hopefully - better quality picture).  I can't think of a reason why he/she would be opposed to waiting to see a nude pic.

What?

Why would watermarked pictures be better "quality."

Mar 23 13 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,607
Portland, Oregon, US


Art of the nude wrote:

DougBPhoto wrote:
Is there something about April that would help all of this make more sense?

You do realize that April is a week away, right?

And, since the OP is 18, there's a good chance that she is in high school.  Keeping nudes to a minimum, even when you're 18, make a lot of sense for a high school student.

Agreed, and in that context, I can see where sending a photo by cell phone, in such a situation (over 18 but still in school) might be more "secure" for her privacy than adding something onto her profile here, which would help to explain why, in context, it might be a more reasonable request/thought than some people's reactions would indicate.

As for April though, that does not seem like a typical time to graduate/leave HS, which is why that is a bit curious... compared to say late May or Early June... typical times for graduation.

Mar 23 13 01:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
I'm saying that if *I* am paying monies to someone for a personal project for ME, then I get to pick exactly the people that I pay to do that job.  And if part of that requirement is that I need to have someone with perfectly shaped breasts or labia that don't protrude too much, then that's my requirement.  And I will not agree to pay a rate for something that I have not seen.
Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
I can see the breasts, but labia, really? How close are the closeups?




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www.andrewthomasevans.com

I often shoot full length nudes where you can see a reasonable degree of detail about labia.

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Mar 23 13 01:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rieni Otten
Posts: 193
Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


Danielle Hieronimi wrote:
Is it normal practice for a photographer to request a cell phone picture prior to a nude shoot?

I'm planning on working with a photographer I like in two months, and he requested I send him a nude cell phone picture today, so he can see what my body looks like for him to plan the shoot. He said that the pictures would be deleted a few minutes after receiving them.

I just want a consensus as to whether this is normal practice, and I should do this or not?

Thank you!

Yes it's normal, I ask for this all the time. And I never say that I would delete them, because who would believe that?

Mar 23 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amber Dawn - Colorado
Posts: 6,053
Castle Rock, Colorado, US


I would say get your digital or webcam out and take a picture and put it on your profile. Even though your profile doesn't mention that you do nudes but up to you. I don't understand the whole sending a phone picture seems pervy to me. When I started doing nudes I never had anyone ask for nudes before hand they just hired me based on what they already saw on my page.
Mar 23 13 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nico Simon Princely
Posts: 1,653
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I might add that I have had many models send me nudes to my cell phone without me ever asking.

I show them my port and we talk about nudes. They say I'll send you some of my pics. A few hours later they start sending me nudes they have shot before. Or sometimes just shot.

I knew a couple of models that got boob jobs and I asked how they came out and then sent topless pics as the reply.

So I don't think this is uncommon in this  day and age.
Mar 23 13 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sedition
Posts: 273
Buffalo, New York, US


Nico Simon Princely wrote:
Yes that is normal for a photographer to request nudes either sent via email or cell phone if you have none in your port or if the ones in your port are several months old. In live auditions for mainstream movies or playboy they often want to see you nude in person.

If you're going to shoot nudes you have to see the model nude. I'd be concerned if someone was going to shoot you nude and never asked to see you nude before the shoot as that would only be done in an amateur porn situation, not something with any artistic value.

Or you could run into (as I have) someone that shows up for a shoot and is then not ready to shoot nudes. I now do the same thing the OP is asking about if the model has no nude (or at least topless) photos in her portfolio.

Mar 23 13 03:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Colorado Model Amber wrote:
I would say get your digital or webcam out and take a picture and put it on your profile. Even though your profile doesn't mention that you do nudes but up to you. I don't understand the whole sending a phone picture seems pervy to me. When I started doing nudes I never had anyone ask for nudes before hand they just hired me based on what they already saw on my page.

Did you "start out doing nudes" with nothing but fully clothed images?

And, while I don't know anything about the people you shot with, some "photographers" don't care what the girl / woman looks like, as long as she's naked.  Some don't care because they're able to create wonderful images with any look.  Others because they don't care about the images.

Mar 23 13 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rieni Otten
Posts: 193
Auxerre, Bourgogne, France


Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
Well then I guess you're not going to shoot with her.

smile


I'd test with her up here, no cell pics required, not a big deal.

What if she lives at the other side of the country? Fly her in, test, fail, send back home? I don't see what's creepy about a nude model making nude home pics to send to a nudity photographer. It's just part of the job.

Mar 23 13 05:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Revenge Photography
Posts: 1,782
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


If a model is booking a nude shoot, then its not strange to ask for photo's before agreeing to shoot them.

If the model that has never shot nudes before it helps weed out those that are not serious or get cold feet.

For some shoots a bikini pic may be fine, but may not be is other cases. Such as close in bodyscapes, when nipple shape and size may impact the overall ascetic of the planned shot.

Generally a bikini shot is good enough for me, but on the odd occasion I have asked for a topless shot. The reason being is some bikini's are padded and provide breast support that will be lacking in a nude shoot.

For the life of me I don't see the logic in the stance by some that sending a phone pic is creepy but displaying a low quality unedited nude on here for the world to see is the better option.

Asking for a phone pic when a model has no nudes in her portfolio is perfectly acceptable and not creepy at all. However that doesn't mean that the person asking for the photo isn't a creep, so as always the model should check references before sending it.
Mar 23 13 06:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rob Photosby
Posts: 2,275
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
To me that seems more creepy than anything. Plus if you take them yourself what more could a cell pic show (other than boobies) that a bikini or simple underwear pic wouldn't?



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com
John Jebbia wrote:
Sometimes boobies look fine in a bikini, but look like oranges in socks when they're unleashed. I don't think this is the case with the OP, but you never know..

Precisely!  boobies in bikini tops may look nothing like the boobies running free

Mar 24 13 01:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rob Photosby
Posts: 2,275
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Why the presumption that cell phone photos are automatically creepy?

When I ask a model to supply a photo to show her physique, I always mention that "cell phone photos are adequate". 

This is for two reason:

(a) it is often more convenient for models, who sometimes think that they need to pay a photographer to produce a current photo (which is entirely unnecessary)

(b) I want to see how they really look, not how good a skilled photographer can make them look
Mar 24 13 01:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Crawford
Posts: 225
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


I have sometimes been the photographer in this situation. Generally this would only happen when I'm paying a model who has not shot nudes before. There are three main reasons why I might do this, all based on experience:

1. I want a picture with no retouching.

2. I want to see what I'm working with in terms of tattoos, piercings, and disfigurements.

3. Honestly the most important - I want the model to be truly comfortable with shooting nudes, and I want the shoot to happen. If they are not comfortable letting me see a headless bathroom-mirror shot of their nude body, are they really going to show up for the shoot, and be relaxed and comfortable? If they balk at the "cellphone in the bathroom" test, I don't want to plan a nude shoot with them - for their own good, and to avoid flakes.

None of this applies to TF though - I'll take my chances and work with whatever shows up in that case.
Apr 02 13 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,945
New York, New York, US


Please forgive an unfortunate metaphor, but nobody wants to buy a pig in a poke.  Not a critique but you have no nude or nearly nude pictures in your portfolio, so how can the photographer possibly know whether or not you fit his needs without one?

Very few beginning models have pictures in their portfolios that actually help a photographer, especially one that shoots nudes, make an informed decision.  So the first thing I do shooting a newbie is shoot a composite, front, back and both sides, wearing the least amount of clothing she's willing to shoot in.  For nude models I do two, one nude and one in panties and bra.  I include closeups of any scars, tattoos or other body mods as well as the date of the photos and I do not retouch them.  These are not normally for publication but she can include them in her portfolio is she wishes, or she can simply email them to interested photographers.

This keeps the pictures within the bounds of professional standards, gives the photographer all the information he needs to make an informed decision and reassures him that the model is responsive to his professional needs.  That helps build a comfort level that can make all the difference in whether or not he selects you over some other model.

Don't expect to get this for free, it's a very valuable service, but there's no reason why you can't get it for trade.  And since you should update your Polaroids (which is what this is) at least once a year or whenever there is a significant change in the way you look, such as a new hair color or tattoo, it's another reason for maintaining good relations with your photographers and being open to TF work from time to time.

All IMHO as always, of course.
Apr 02 13 09:13 am  Link  Quote 
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