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Makeup Artist
Cortez DeVon Thomas
Posts: 3
Tempe, Arizona, US


I am a makeup artist who only does makeup. I went to Cosmotology school for skin care and not hair styling. However, every shoot I do I'm always asked to style hair with next to no tools to do so. I do my best but I can only do so much. I don't really have any interest in doing hair although I do come from a family of hairstylists. I also see a lack of good fashion sense when models bring clothes to shoot in. So I guess my question is, would it be a crazy idea to put a team of artists together when I do photoshoots? I really love working in groups and I believe this will make any ordinary shoot into a knockout shoot with talented people all doing their thing!

Thoughts, comments, questions all welcomed! Feel free to scope out my port. In most cases I've done the hair. Trust me, I'm not bragging lol!
Mar 26 13 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 11,566
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Not crazy but that is the photographers job most of the time.  I would think it would be better for a MUA to join one of those teams personally.
Mar 26 13 12:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Cortez DeVon Thomas
Posts: 3
Tempe, Arizona, US


Yea, I've heard of photographers putting teams together but I want to work with the same team for as long as it benefits us all and we enjoy it.
Mar 26 13 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,430
Washington, District of Columbia, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Not crazy but that is the photographers job most of the time.  I would think it would be better for a MUA to join one of those teams personally.

Tenured wisdom... that said, on many large budget commercial assignments which I've worked/assisted in the photographer is simply another player on the team... The primarily role of production oversight falls upon the client's creative director...

Nearly all creative directors I've had the privilege and honor to work with are masterful communicators who's ability to inspire excellence throughout the entire team is superb... Without doubt they are in the vortex of current commercial fashion and many come from a long tenure at the zenith of the arts... Of merit most moving freely from the complex technical aspects of image capture to subtleties latent within vanities services... many hold significant academic credentials...

bottom line?  I'm humbled to work in under the skillful guidance of a gifted creative director... this position is pivotal and warrants one with a deep and vast understanding of all disciplines in involved...   

To the OP, enjoy your journey... mastering all the creative disciplines might be a wise first step...

Mar 26 13 01:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 11,566
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Cortez DeVon Thomas wrote:
Yea, I've heard of photographers putting teams together but I want to work with the same team for as long as it benefits us all and we enjoy it.

Well we generally do, I have the same couple of MUAs/Hair/Stylists that I work with all the time on projects.  If a client doesn't already have something in mind (as Thomas mentioned) then when I am hired - they are hired.  At least in fashion, beauty and food photography its a team effort.  OK I wouldn't have the same team for food, but there is a team in that as well.

P.S. Actually for a lot of teams there is also a retocuher

Mar 26 13 02:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Cortez DeVon Thomas
Posts: 3
Tempe, Arizona, US


Thanks for all the great words of wisdom. I'm going to look into all this in detail. Thanks again!
Mar 27 13 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
liddellphoto
Posts: 1,798
London, England, United Kingdom


Well established photographers will usually have their own team or people they work with (at least in fashion they will). Unless you work with photogs at that level this will probably be a persistent problem for you simply because most photographers find it difficult to get hair stylists and even moreso stylists to test so they have to fill these roles as best they can with who they have - this is a constant headache for me.

Would it be a crazy idea to put a team of artists together when I do photoshoots? Not at all, for many photogs you would probably be doing a favour as long as the people you bring in don’t take over the shoot which is a risk. I have had a model recommend a mua who in turn recommended a hair stylist because she only did basic hair and it worked very well.
Mar 28 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
AtoZed Creative
Posts: 39
Dallas, Texas, US


It's certainly a good idea to have some that you know of in your rolodex so when a shoot is planned you can ask the photographer if hair has been decided upon, already, or if you can offer some suggestions.
Mar 28 13 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
Hair Stylist
rick lesser
Posts: 648
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Always be prepared.  Build your contacts.  It will aid you in the future.  I just got a call from a production company a few months back hiring me and my "team".  Thankfully I happened to have met a great wardrobe stylist last November.  I have gotten three new jobs with the production company and all have included the stylist.  She in turn has introduced me to a new photographer which I just worked with again.  And we are becoming fast friends.  The more control you have the stronger you will be in the end.  And your business and reputation will keep getting stronger.  You may not enjoy doing hair but if your being asked, why not get some products and tools and quick styling tips through you hairstylist family? Take a travel bag.  Leave it in your car or bring it with you on the shoot just in case?   Offer more and they will book you more.  R-
Apr 02 13 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,321
Palm Beach, Florida, US


I don't think there is anything wrong with putting a team together but often photographers have a team that they like working with too.

But the more people you know the better it is ( IMO).

And I think you will find that many photographers prefer to book makeup artists that can at least do some basic hair. (Many of the makeup artists that I have worked with that say they do "light" hair are overly modest in my opinion and can do some pretty decent  hair).

That said if I want to do elaborate updo's or crazy stuff I do like to get someone specifically for hair.

Like Rick said it is great to have contacts -- and it's nice to be able to refer people for jobs and they may do the same for you as well.

smile
Apr 02 13 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Adina Pintilie
Posts: 17
Spring Lake Heights, New Jersey, US


I was a bit scared as I was reading your topic, Cortez, because it looked like someone has swollen my thoughts. Excepting the fact that I do not come from a hair stylists surrounding,I feel just the same as you do. I ended up investing more and more in my hair styling kit but I don't have a big passion for it. I dont mind Photographers asking me if I style hair too, but it is annoying when they ask on set and not prior to the shooting because many times I wish I knew so I would at least bring some proper tools with me.Now I am wondering..how many models thought I am a bad unprofessional hair stylist for not having the tools I need with me when I even wasn't one
As for teams..oh I love working in teams and the result is always so much better than just with a MUA, model and Photographer.
I guess we don't always get what we want..
Apr 04 13 09:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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