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PR Zone
Posts: 727
London, England, United Kingdom


Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?
Mar 26 13 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 53,754
Buena Park, California, US


the friend request may have been by someone not responding to the casting.

Yes, it is normal, unfortunately, for people to ignore important details in a casting.

You got two. smile
Mar 26 13 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D M E C K E R T
Posts: 4,786
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


yes. people are thick. and it's only getting worse, i fear.
Mar 26 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Seismic Images
Posts: 519
Morisset, New South Wales, Australia


D M E C K E R T wrote:
yes. people are thick. and it's only getting worse, i fear.

Doomed.

Mar 26 13 03:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 53,754
Buena Park, California, US


D M E C K E R T wrote:
yes. people are thick. and it's only getting worse, i fear.

They have to eat better and be more active.

Mar 26 13 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,759
New York, New York, US


If someone can't follow simple directions, it is probably best you don't work with them. They might be more of a challenge to work with. Move on to the next.
Mar 26 13 03:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,021
Los Angeles, California, US


Hint:  You Browse for your next model to shoot.
Mar 26 13 03:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Optix
Posts: 223
Boston, Massachusetts, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Mar 26 13 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
afplcc
Posts: 5,971
Fairfax, Virginia, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

MM isn't a modeling agency.

For instance, I had one model send me a message and say "text me."  I don't have a text plan on my phone--I emailed her back.  She was probably thinking I must be dense.  No, just no text plan.

I asked a model for her cellphone #.  She wouldn't give it.  Turns out she didn't have a cell.  Another wouldn't give out her phone number (I found out afterwards that she lived at home and didn't want her parents to know she posed nude).  Another had her phone disconnected b/c she didn't get all her bills paid.

I've sent messages to models and they reply with partial answers.  I found out later they were replying on their cell phone.  Which meant they couldn't see my entire message (or it was in tiny text) so replied to just what they could remember when they first read it.

Some models have issues with stalkers or worry about security so won't give out particular information.

Bottom line:  it's dense to assume that someone is dumb just b/c people don't give you everything you ask for.

Ed

Mar 26 13 04:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,204
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

You need to realize that nobody actually reads anything on the Internet.  If your casting was more than one sentence the people that looked at it probably never saw your instructions.  Be happy that so many models did not follow instructions.  At least you don't have to sort through them for possible use for your project.

Mar 26 13 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PR Zone
Posts: 727
London, England, United Kingdom


You folks have put the smile back on my face :-)
Mar 26 13 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,524
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


PR Zone wrote:
You folks have put the smile back on my face :-)

let me take it back off. I understand you were in a time-pressure situation. but fraud and scams are everywhere. If someone offered a paid whatever and I had to reply including my phone number i would immediately be suspicious since I dont have a disposable burn phone for photography and probably would pass on it.
i understand with your time pressure you didnt have time to fkc around with multiple replies to prove its legit but at the same time the potential respondents dont know.

Be happy you got any on short notice. be amazed that even one followed your directions. but  I dont think you can simply toss this one off as 'idiots on the internet'.  perfectly smart ones would probably not reply.

Mar 26 13 04:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JQuest
Posts: 1,310
Syracuse, New York, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
You need to realize that nobody actually reads anything on the Internet.  If your casting was more than one sentence the people that looked at it probably never saw your instructions.  Be happy that so many models did not follow instructions.  At least you don't have to sort through them for possible use for your project.

TLDR  wink

Yes some people are thick when it comes to casting calls. I don't post them any longer because I prefer to use the browse feature and get no replies! big_smile

Mar 26 13 04:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Ledo retouch
Posts: 1,096
Lodi, California, US


interested
I'd love to be part of your project. smile

some of the responses might have trying to do their due diligence and
check references, was there anyone from friends list that fit the criteria?
Mar 26 13 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,363
San Ramon, California, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
You need to realize that nobody actually reads anything on the Internet.  If your casting was more than one sentence the people that looked at it probably never saw your instructions.  Be happy that so many models did not follow instructions.  At least you don't have to sort through them for possible use for your project.

Wait. What did you say?

Mar 26 13 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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D M E C K E R T
Posts: 4,786
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Christopher Hartman wrote:
They have to eat better and be more active.

somehow i think it's deeper than hfcs and a daily jog (to be completely glib)...but that's certainly a start. hmm

Mar 26 13 05:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,373
Seattle, Washington, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

asking for a phone number right off the bat comes across as sketchy.

why not have them message you saying they are interested. then you respond with exact details about the shoot, and you ask them if they can do it.  they message back "yes".  then you message back "great. here's my number should something come up. 555-555-5555. what's yours?".  they write back "555-555-5555.". then you write back "thanks.  see you then".

just food for thought.

Mar 26 13 05:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,106
Orlando, Florida, US


You have 48 hours to fill a position.  You have a budget.  Contact your model/talent agencies and pick what you want. 

They will send you what you want.



Working with time limits for important stuff through Model Mayhem will give you what you got.
Mar 26 13 05:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carle Photography
Posts: 9,227
Oakland, California, US


Mark Laubenheimer wrote:
asking for a phone number right off the bat comes across as sketchy.

why not have them message you saying they are interested. then you respond with exact details about the shoot, and you ask them if they can do it.  they message back "yes".  then you message back "great. here's my number should something come up. 555-555-5555. what's yours?".  they write back "555-555-5555.". then you write back "thanks.  see you then".

just food for thought.

Nope is business phone numbers are NOT sketchy.
If your paranoid then get a Google phone number or any of those 40.00 a month cheep cell phones.

Business Lines are for just that business.

Mar 26 13 05:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carle Photography
Posts: 9,227
Oakland, California, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

No you're not judging too harshly, but you are spending too much time thinking about all that went wrong.

If you set up hoops to jump thorough, ignore all but the last hoop...
Those that never make it through the first one, don't need your worry..

smile

If I put up a casting call with directions to send me a direct email, I'll never even check my mm messages or count all those "interested" comments...

Mar 26 13 06:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,373
Seattle, Washington, US


Death of Field wrote:

Nope is business phone numbers are NOT sketchy.
If your paranoid then get a Google phone number or any of those 40.00 a month cheep cell phones.

Business Lines are for just that business.

the photographer is not asking for the model's business number.  does the model even have one? he's asking for the model's personal cell number most likely.

Mar 26 13 06:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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photo212grapher
Posts: 1,538
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

Perhaps you might have said, "Jump through hoop A, walk along beam B, juggle the red, yellow, and green ball, do not touch the blue ball. Credit card number and social security number in subject line. Thanks."

First contacts ought to be done through the MM message boards. If a problem arises, the model can CAM. Trying to tell the model to go outside the establish system might have appeared as a red flag to some. The casting calls are set up for posting on the call itself or posting a message, not emailing and phone number exchanges.

Mark Laubenheimer wrote:
asking for a phone number right off the bat comes across as sketchy.

why not have them message you saying they are interested. then you respond with exact details about the shoot, and you ask them if they can do it.  they message back "yes".  then you message back "great. here's my number should something come up. 555-555-5555. what's yours?".  they write back "555-555-5555.". then you write back "thanks.  see you then".

just food for thought.

+1
No reason for phone numbers until you are ready to book or get very serious in booking that one model. Some models get creeps calling all day and night.

And let's face it, not everyone has a dedicated business phone or a trash phone for such instances. I rarely carry around the one cell phone I have, and I'm not about to carry multiple ones.

Mar 26 13 06:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carle Photography
Posts: 9,227
Oakland, California, US


A client who is paying for a job does NOT care if it is
Models business number.
Models home number.
Models sisters best friends number.
Models super secret throw away phone number.
Models parents number.

He cares that she will pick up the phone and be able to answer all his questions/requirements and get the details of the job so in 48 hours she can get the job done and be paid.

THIS whole conversation is why people fail at business.
Your in business to Get hired, get jobs done, get paid, go home, party on...

He has a client/project/budget he needs models not excuses.
Mar 26 13 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carle Photography
Posts: 9,227
Oakland, California, US


photo212grapher wrote:
Perhaps you might have said, "Jump through hoop A, walk along beam B, juggle the red, yellow, and green ball, do not touch the blue ball. Credit card number and social security number in subject line. Thanks."

First contacts ought to be done through the MM message boards. If a problem arises, the model can CAM. Trying to tell the model to go outside the establish system might have appeared as a red flag to some. The casting calls are set up for posting on the call itself or posting a message, not emailing and phone number exchanges.

MM is a shit place to actually book jobs fast when a client is on the line.
Sorry but the infrastructure goes too slow and down too often.
If you have a job on the line you don't need to be playing curveball.

MM is a great place to mess around and have fun, but as soon as money is on the line take it to your direct emails and phones.

This also saves time on the clients end.
I have several places that clients "book" me online.

If I had to recall who contacted me where each time my clients might be a bit upset at the lack of a timely response. Funneling all contacts and job into a central communications is a time saver.

Mar 26 13 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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ybfoto
Posts: 642
Oakland, California, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:

You need to realize that nobody actually reads anything on the Internet.  If your casting was more than one sentence the people that looked at it probably never saw your instructions.  Be happy that so many models did not follow instructions.  At least you don't have to sort through them for possible use for your project.

this, they saw money and said me me me

Mar 26 13 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Snyder Studios
Posts: 177
Los Angeles, California, US


Interested
Mar 26 13 10:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,268
Seattle, Washington, US


PR Zone wrote:
Placed a paid casting with less than 48 hours to tie everything down

Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it

Other options the respondents tried include:-

- MM message

- Email with no number

- MM casting call response under my post

- Email with link to Flash based web site that won't open on an iPad

- MM friend request


All very sweet...   But why would anyone respond to a paid work casting with something OTHER than what 's requested?

Very frustrating because so many people have shown interest - but only 2 have done as asked

Anyone else get this ?

Am I judging the respondents too harshly?

That means only 2 people have truly shown interest.

Mar 26 13 10:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Imageography
Posts: 6,768
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


I have been honing my casting calls for years.

I find I get much better responses with a more generic overview with a few of the static requirements.

I used to say "Tall models required for fashion designer shoot"
  - responses include "I'm tall in heels etc."

Now I break it down to short form.

Female or Male Models 5'8" or taller (flat foot height) required for fashion designer shoot
Compensation: XXX
Date of shoot: xxx
Length of shoot: xxx
Other expenses covered: No
Total number of models required: 4 (2 Male, 2 Female)

Contact me via a private message for additional details if you meet the above criteria.

That might even be too long.

Mar 26 13 11:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
Posts: 21,536
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


What's with the phone number bullshit? It's like you people have never applied for a job before in your whole life! And you are treating a contact phone number, of all things, as if it is some kind of, "if I tell you than I'd have to kill you", national security, top secret, "eyes only" information. 

If you are IN business then DO business. Idiots!

No not idiots. Pathetic idiots!

OP: Yup. Thick as two short planks! [And with the attention span of a gnat.]

Studio36
Mar 27 13 12:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Hugh Alison
Posts: 2,078
Aberystwyth, Wales, United Kingdom


When you think how stupid the average person is,
it's http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngto think that 50% are even stupider.
Mar 27 13 01:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
255 West
Posts: 6,468
New York, New York, US


afplcc wrote:
MM isn't a modeling agency.

For instance, I had one model send me a message and say "text me."  I don't have a text plan on my phone--I emailed her back.  She was probably thinking I must be dense.  No, just no text plan.

I asked a model for her cellphone #.  She wouldn't give it.  Turns out she didn't have a cell.  Another wouldn't give out her phone number (I found out afterwards that she lived at home and didn't want her parents to know she posed nude).  Another had her phone disconnected b/c she didn't get all her bills paid.

I've sent messages to models and they reply with partial answers.  I found out later they were replying on their cell phone.  Which meant they couldn't see my entire message (or it was in tiny text) so replied to just what they could remember when they first read it.

Some models have issues with stalkers or worry about security so won't give out particular information.

Bottom line:  it's dense to assume that someone is dumb just b/c people don't give you everything you ask for.

Ed

Okay, maybe not dense, but none you described were in slightest bit professional, or trying to be. They all, in one way or another, flaked -- big time.

If they don't have a phone contact number, then they're not serious. I remember, when starting out and working as a freelance assistant, paying my answering service bill (before cellphones) and going without food.

Mar 27 13 01:31 am  Link  Quote 
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255 West
Posts: 6,468
New York, New York, US


Hugh Alison wrote:
When you think how stupid the average person is,
it's http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngto think that 50% are even stupider.

I just sprayed my monitor with the coffee I was sipping.

Mar 27 13 01:44 am  Link  Quote 
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photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


i hire and cast from facebook and get real INTERESTED models that can read now.
Mar 27 13 01:51 am  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
Posts: 21,536
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


Hugh Alison wrote:
When you think how stupid the average person is,
it's http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngto think that 50% are even stupider.

What really worries me is that the latter 50% are seemingly running the country.   LOL

Studio36

Mar 27 13 02:26 am  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


studio36uk wrote:
What's with the phone number bullshit? It's like you people have never applied for a job before in your whole life! And you are treating a contact phone number, of all things, as if it is some kind of, "if I tell you than I'd have to kill you", national security, top secret, "eyes only" information. 

If you are IN business then DO business. Idiots!

No not idiots. Pathetic idiots!

OP: Yup. Thick as two short planks! [And with the attention span of a gnat.]

Studio36

It's like people who won't give out bank details (which we do every time we write a cheque or use a debit card): with your account number and sort code I can only pay money into your account, you dummy!

Mar 27 13 02:45 am  Link  Quote 
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AaronPawlak
Posts: 2,703
New York, New York, US


PR Zone wrote:
Instructions were "If you meet the criteria, email me with your contact phone number"

Almost NO ONE managed it  but only 2 have done as asked

Getting 2 real responses when you left yourself so little time;
is pretty good.

All those other people, they never read your casting, they just replied that way to multiple listings. They told you what you need to know; don't try to work with them.

Mar 27 13 02:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 10,007
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Well, you ARE using a forum that has multiple in-built messaging systems, and telling people to ignore those and do something else. You might as well email someone and tell them to send their response via US post.
Mar 27 13 02:47 am  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Robb Mann wrote:
Well, you ARE using a forum that has multiple in-built messaging systems, and telling people to ignore those and do something else. You might as well email someone and tell them to send their response via US post.

Yeah but not everyone uses smart phones or sits by the computer all day - some of us actually get off our arses from time to time and venture out into the big outdoors...

Mar 27 13 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
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AaronPawlak
Posts: 2,703
New York, New York, US


Snyder Studios wrote:
Interested

Good one.
You always know those that say "interested" have never read what the casting was for.

Mar 27 13 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 10,007
Baltimore, Maryland, US


RKD Photographic wrote:

Yeah but not everyone uses smart phones or sits by the computer all day - some of us actually get off our arses from time to time and venture out into the big outdoors...

Sorry. I fail to see any connection between my response and yours. Why did you quote me?

Mar 27 13 02:57 am  Link  Quote 
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