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Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,889
Olivet, Michigan, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
If we're talking about crazy experienced, I know girls in LA who won't get out of bed for less than $100/hr, and that's just minimum.

Non nude, non commercial?

You know much better than I do, of course, but just to make sure I understand right.

You, when you arrived in LA, but without the MM fame, is more what I was thinking of.  Or, well, on the high end of awesomeness, but that sort of thing.  If you could draw $100/hr, or $400 for a half day, when you arrived, often enough for it to be a rate, not a fluke, I'm really out of touch.  big_smile

Apr 04 13 06:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 38,419
Portland, Oregon, US


B R E N N A N wrote:
This is going to come across as harsher than I intend it to, so I apologize in advance...

Rates for a 17 year old non-agency standard model with little experience in Portland?
TF.

I don't think it is harsh, I think it is the reasonable answer, and the question was asking what rates would be reasonable.

Since the OP was indicating that she did not feel the photographer's photos would benefit her, it does become more reasonable for her to ask for for a small rate, especially if the photographer is not very good.

At this point, it seems like she certainly could ask propose a rate to a photographer knowing that it is likely she would need to negotiate down, but as you know, Portland IS a tough market for paid work.   (I do see that the OP has some travel notices up.)

In the end, as an experienced model who has visited this market multiple times, you're providing an important dose of reality regarding what is going to be seen as reasonable.

Apr 04 13 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
B R E N N A N
Posts: 4,131
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


DougBPhoto wrote:

I don't think it is harsh, I think it is the reasonable answer, and the question was asking what rates would be reasonable.

Since the OP was indicating that she did not feel the photographer's photos would benefit her, it does become more reasonable for her to ask for for a small rate, especially if the photographer is not very good.

At this point, it seems like she certainly could ask propose a rate to a photographer knowing that it is likely she would need to negotiate down, but as you know, Portland IS a tough market for paid work.   (I do see that the OP has some travel notices up.)

In the end, as an experienced model who has visited this market multiple times, you're providing an important dose of reality regarding what is going to be seen as reasonable.

I can't really opine as to what images would or would not benefit the OP without venturing into unsolicited critique area.

Apr 04 13 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,267
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


A reasonable rate is a rate that will get you clients in your market.
Apr 04 13 07:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 38,419
Portland, Oregon, US


B R E N N A N wrote:
I can't really opine as to what images would or would not benefit the OP without venturing into unsolicited critique area.

Agreed, and to be clear, I was not suggesting moving things in that direction, rather that it is entirely probably that there are "photographers" for whom the quality of their work is generally not beneficial to anyone as trade.

I just hope that if she is considering working with photographers who don't have a lot to show for themselves, that she'll be quite cautious in checking references, and as a minor, having a parent (or legal guardian) along.

Apr 04 13 07:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,889
Olivet, Michigan, US


Will Snizek wrote:
Nude should always be paid.  I agree with that.  It's very easy to make money with nude images, so the model definitely deserves consideration for that.

I realize that you have no idea what you're talking about, but please tell me more about how "very easy" it is to make money with nude photography?  I'd certainly like to make some.

Apr 04 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,889
Olivet, Michigan, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Without showing college degree or modeling degree and just being a site model i feel the fair price is within 40 to 50 dollars per hour if you feel to get the more buck for your time then add min 2 hours instead of some photog writting to you
and asking to shoot for 1 houy Some models tend to go over the top and charge those high prices thinking they can go with the norm but in reality they are not getting called in to shoot. Good luck

Rachel-Elise  wrote:
Modeling degree????

Sure, from "Modeling school."  Ya'know?

Apr 04 13 07:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nature Coast Lightworks
Posts: 1,873
Brookridge, Florida, US


B R E N N A N wrote:
This is going to come across as harsher than I intend it to, so I apologize in advance...

Rates for a 17 year old non-agency standard model with little experience in Portland?
TF.

+1.

What exactly are you charging for?

jf

Apr 04 13 07:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,801
Atlanta, Georgia, US


B R E N N A N wrote:
This is going to come across as harsher than I intend it to, so I apologize in advance...

Rates for a 17 year old non-agency standard model with little experience in Portland?
TF.

I mean come on Portland is the fashion capital of... Portland... I guess...

Apr 04 13 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rose Winters
Posts: 57
San Diego, California, US


B R E N N A N wrote:
This is going to come across as harsher than I intend it to, so I apologize in advance...

Rates for a 17 year old non-agency standard model with little experience in Portland?
TF.

Well actually I am with an agency, I was just asking this question as guidance for what some reasonable rates are for a non-commercial project when the photographer pays me. I've gotten paid work before, and have more experience than "little."

Apr 04 13 08:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
B R E N N A N
Posts: 4,131
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Wynne Turner wrote:
Well actually I am with an agency, I was just asking this question as guidance for what some reasonable rates are for a non-commercial project when the photographer pays me. I've gotten paid work before, and have more experience than "little."

If by "agency" you mean a manager with a smugmug account and no proof of client work, then sure, and you should be asking your agent what your rates should be.

Again, I didn't mean for my post to be misconstrued as snark (which is rare for me), so please don't take it that way.

As you only have shots from a handful of shoots posted on your MM and your "agency" board, and are asking people what your rates should be, this implied that you're inexperienced. I apologize, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I just noticed you're coming to my stomping grounds this summer.

Apr 04 13 08:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
GRMACK
Posts: 2,050
Bakersfield, California, US


Most of the local agency receipts that I have collected range around $105 to $135 for fashion (non-swimsuit) stuff.  Generally, about 3 hours with 1 of it being makeup so about $35/hr.  Sometimes I've tipped on the side since the agency takes a good cut, plus they have to report the income if the agency does their books right so they get even less.  Never asked about swimsuit or nude rates with them.  I don't think the agency ever set a minimum time as they know a MUAH will run up the clock pretty quick to at least two hours total time.

The "Travelers" (nude ones) seem to run about $500/day.  They don't seem to clock watch either which is very nice and the MUAH person can spend a lot of time with them and not be clock-watching as much with one "On the clock."  I know of workshop organizers seem to agree with the $500/day figure too and pass or negotiate down on that if they are way out on pricing.

The word "Negotiate" didn't used to be ever mentioned, but now in the current economy maybe rates will drop more than rise.
Apr 04 13 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rose Winters
Posts: 57
San Diego, California, US


B R E N N A N wrote:

If by "agency" you mean a manager with a smugmug account and no proof of client work, then sure, and you should be asking your agent what your rates should be.

Again, I didn't mean for my post to be misconstrued as snark (which is rare for me), so please don't take it that way.

As you only have shots from a handful of shoots posted on your MM and your "agency" board, and are asking people what your rates should be, this implied that you're inexperienced. I apologize, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I just noticed you're coming to my stomping grounds this summer.

Haha what? No...it's best not to assume, my agent has booked his models work with Nike (I got an audition with them too), and books models all the time for an online knit wear store called KnitPicks which is a very regular client of theirs, a tanning salon, etc. Also I only have photos from a handful of shoots on here because the max you can post on a free account is only 15. And as for on my agency's page, not all the photographers gave me permission to use their photos for my online portfolio and printed comp card.

And yes, I am going to North Carolina this summer.

Apr 04 13 10:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T-D-L
Posts: 10,303
Los Angeles, California, US


Let's forget about "Agency" models in LA (or any other large market), because honestly that type of rate varies just as much as it does on MM (I've personally seen things range from $10/hr to $500/hr for average models shooting run of the mill, non-nude stuff with agencies, and have heard of and met models whose rate for the same is 10k/day minimum).  A "reasonable" rate depends entirely on who is considering hiring you.  A surgeon or lawyer whose hobby is model photography might find $100/hr for a day pocket-change, while Jim-Bob who works the night shift managing the local Denny's might think $20/hr is more reasonable.  You gotta factor in how often this work comes around and what you'd need to charge to cover your cost of living, blah blah blah...etc etc.  Long story short, what you should charge is really up to you and your specific situation.
Apr 04 13 10:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 27,098
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I offer no opinion as to whether you can make any coin as a model doing non commercial shoots with photographers

If you have done some trade shoots and thus have some "experience "there really is only one way to find out if photographers will pay and the is to start charging

If you don't start charging at some point you will be pegged as a model who works for free , If you do start charging then you will quickly be able to ascertain you value in the market place ( which is not to say there is any guarantee you will be hired )

Of course this assumes that your primary motivation is to make money being photographed , not develop your portfolio further

Working with better photographers will likely cost you at this point in your development
Apr 04 13 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 27,098
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Dp
Apr 04 13 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,195
Chicago, Illinois, US


Wynne, the average model doing editorial fashion for a magazine makes around $25.00 per hour.   Clothed fashion work doesn't pay well unless its catalog or commercial work.   Ask your agency and on that note.   If you are being represented then they should  be arranging work.   That includes tests.   I did look at their website.   You might do better on your own on second thought.   So what's fair to ask for?   That's very hard to say because you are very limited in what you can shoot.   I would start by finding out how and where the images  will be used.   Will a MUA do your face or hair.   Will clothing be provided.   How long is the shoot expected too last.   How far will you have to travel or is the photographer coming to you.   

Several people have thrown around some in my view unrealistic numbers.   However, frankly I'd focus a bit more on adding more variety to my portfolio if I were you.   In any event any wise photographer should be negotiating with your parents and not you.   Sadly many of the photographers you should work with who can improve your book won't pay you.   My feeling is most of the amateurs who would be willing to pay will move on to another model for more then $25.00 to $30.00 per hour.   Good luck!
Apr 05 13 12:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,636
Eureka, California, US


B R E N N A N wrote:
If by "agency" you mean a manager with a smugmug account and no proof of client work, then sure, and you should be asking your agent what your rates should be.

Again, I didn't mean for my post to be misconstrued as snark (which is rare for me), so please don't take it that way.

As you only have shots from a handful of shoots posted on your MM and your "agency" board, and are asking people what your rates should be, this implied that you're inexperienced. I apologize, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I just noticed you're coming to my stomping grounds this summer.

Wynne Turner wrote:
Haha what? No...it's best not to assume, my agent has booked his models work with Nike (I got an audition with them too), and books models all the time for an online knit wear store called KnitPicks which is a very regular client of theirs, a tanning salon, etc. Also I only have photos from a handful of shoots on here because the max you can post on a free account is only 15. And as for on my agency's page, not all the photographers gave me permission to use their photos for my online portfolio and printed comp card.

And yes, I am going to North Carolina this summer.

I see that it does not say that "The Public Eye Talent Management" is licensed to be an agent anywhere on that site. At the bottom of the page it says, "Modeling agencies in Portland, OR(egon)" twice, but doesn't specifically refer to itself as such.

Interesting to read:
http://creativetalent.webs.com/managervsagent.htm

A specific license is not necessarily required to function as a talent manager, while being an agent usually does. Laws vary by state. You should understand the difference between the two. In some states, the requirements and function of a "talent agent" differ from "model agents" or agents for actors, etc.

Just because some people call themselves "agents" doesn't meant that they can do so legally.

Apr 05 13 12:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,636
Los Angeles, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Non nude, non commercial?

You know much better than I do, of course, but just to make sure I understand right.

You, when you arrived in LA, but without the MM fame, is more what I was thinking of.  Or, well, on the high end of awesomeness, but that sort of thing.  If you could draw $100/hr, or $400 for a half day, when you arrived, often enough for it to be a rate, not a fluke, I'm really out of touch.  big_smile

Yep. These are girls who are out to just make money.

It depends on the market, sometimes even small markets *can* be good, because it's all about the demographic.

Here there are a lot of "photographers," some of them legitimately love photography, some are probably in it for the chicks, and they have money to throw around. They don't really care about what they're spending, and they feel productive for doing it.

I don't book many of those jobs, because it's not really what I'm into. Don't get me wrong, I love money. tongue But the quality and content is so low, and I know more girls who get into trouble because they are offered very high rates, and some jacked up people think more should come with it (even if it's a non-nude shoot). The cons outweigh the pros for me.

Also, the $100/ hr is the high end. I'd say anywhere from $40-$75 per hour is more normal. For completely inexperienced, I'd say $25-$40 per hour normal, $50-$70 per hour high. But there are so many at least *somewhat* experienced girls in LA that inexperienced ones getting that higher rate is probably less likely.

But even within a specific market it's so ridiculously individual. It's a reason I don't post rates on my profile.

Apr 05 13 12:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,636
Los Angeles, California, US


T-D-L wrote:
Let's forget about "Agency" models in LA (or any other large market), because honestly that type of rate varies just as much as it does on MM (I've personally seen things range from $10/hr to $500/hr for average models shooting run of the mill, non-nude stuff with agencies, and have heard of and met models whose rate for the same is 10k/day minimum).  A "reasonable" rate depends entirely on who is considering hiring you.  A surgeon or lawyer whose hobby is model photography might find $100/hr for a day pocket-change, while Jim-Bob who works the night shift managing the local Denny's might think $20/hr is more reasonable.  You gotta factor in how often this work comes around and what you'd need to charge to cover your cost of living, blah blah blah...etc etc.  Long story short, what you should charge is really up to you and your specific situation.

Yes! Even in a small market (I'm from one), I don't really recommend setting one specific rate.

If you want to know what the going rate in your area is, have you stalked Craigslist postings and MM castings? There may not be many in your area, but watching as they pop up can help you see the standard.

Even if it's for nude shoots, which clearly you can't do, it can be telling. Say that you have decided you want to charge about $60/hr. And then you see a lot of nude castings all for $40/hr. That means your goal rate is probably out of range.

Apr 05 13 12:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,715
Salinas, California, US


Wynne Turner wrote:
I want to know some examples of your reasonable rates you charge for a paid shoot that does NOT benefit you, the photographer just keeps the photos. And for a model with experience. What are reasonable hourly rates for:

1. Fashion/Lifestyle Clothing
2. Fitness
3. Swimwear/Bikini

And do you think it's good to have a 2 hour minimum?

Hi Wynne! 

You're getting all sorts of great answers across the board!  The typical rates I have seen around here are in line with what I normally pay.  So if you were modeling for me based on the 3 above kind of modeling gigs, I'd pay you from $25 to $50 per hour with a 2 hour min.  Really it comes down to what you want to ask. 

Best wishes to you!

Apr 05 13 02:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,715
Salinas, California, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
Yes! Even in a small market (I'm from one), I don't really recommend setting one specific rate.

If you want to know what the going rate in your area is, have you stalked Craigslist postings and MM castings? There may not be many in your area, but watching as they pop up can help you see the standard.

Even if it's for nude shoots, which clearly you can't do, it can be telling. Say that you have decided you want to charge about $60/hr. And then you see a lot of nude castings all for $40/hr. That means your goal rate is probably out of range.

Great advise!!!  smile

Apr 05 13 02:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Wynne Turner wrote:
I want to know some examples of your reasonable rates you charge for a paid shoot that does NOT benefit you.

You really, REALLY need to post in the critique forum where people can be open and honest with their responses.

Unless of course you only want to hear "good things" and are not interested in the truth? hmm




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Apr 05 13 03:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hugh Alison
Posts: 2,117
Aberystwyth, Wales, United Kingdom


I cannot really understand why anyone would pay to shoot "Fashion" with a pretty girl who did not have agency standard measurements - that sounds more like "Senior portraits", and the photographer normally gets paid for that.
Apr 05 13 06:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
B R E N N A N
Posts: 4,131
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Wynne Turner wrote:

Haha what? No...it's best not to assume, my agent has booked his models work with Nike (I got an audition with them too), and books models all the time for an online knit wear store called KnitPicks which is a very regular client of theirs, a tanning salon, etc. Also I only have photos from a handful of shoots on here because the max you can post on a free account is only 15. And as for on my agency's page, not all the photographers gave me permission to use their photos for my online portfolio and printed comp card.

And yes, I am going to North Carolina this summer.

Ah, I miss being 17 and knowing everything.

Apr 05 13 05:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rose Winters
Posts: 57
San Diego, California, US


B R E N N A N wrote:

Ah, I miss being 17 and knowing everything.

Great! I bet you know everything now as well. Isn't that right? Sure as hell seems like it, wow!

And also just throwing this out there, but do you know anything about the agency I'm with? No. Have you ever talked to my manager? No. Have you ever gotten booked for paid jobs through them? Hmm oh yeah... No! All I was trying to do was inform you of what my agency has done for me and the other models they represent. I guess that's "wrong" though; I suppose I've just been dreaming up everything that's happened so far.

Lastly, you can leave this forum thread now. You have not provided me with any useful information in response to my original question, which for the record was not intended to lead into any immature cat fight about who knows more. You are also not providing me with any helpful answers to my question in a rather unpleasant manner, and I would not like to partake in this conservation further.

Apr 05 13 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rose Winters
Posts: 57
San Diego, California, US


Hugh Alison wrote:
I cannot really understand why anyone would pay to shoot "Fashion" with a pretty girl who did not have agency standard measurements - that sounds more like "Senior portraits", and the photographer normally gets paid for that.

I didn't mean high fashion, I know I'm not tall enough for that. I meant more like lifestyle and stylish or casual clothing.

Apr 05 13 06:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rose Winters
Posts: 57
San Diego, California, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:

Hi Wynne! 

You're getting all sorts of great answers across the board!  The typical rates I have seen around here are in line with what I normally pay.  So if you were modeling for me based on the 3 above kind of modeling gigs, I'd pay you from $25 to $50 per hour with a 2 hour min.  Really it comes down to what you want to ask. 

Best wishes to you!

Thanks for the helpful input!

Apr 05 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,367
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Wynne Turner wrote:

I didn't mean high fashion, I know I'm not tall enough for that. I meant more like lifestyle and stylish or casual clothing.

Brennan already gave you your answer for that, you just didnt like it.


TF.

If you're doing "non commercial" gigs with mm photographers for clothed work, exhibiting the portfolio/experience you currently have, and you're not of agency standards (regardless of your being signed with an "agency")....what are they supposed to pay you FOR?

Once you can honestly answer that, you'll be able to make your own rates.

Apr 05 13 06:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,954
Seattle, Washington, US


Wynne Turner wrote:
Great! I bet you know everything now as well. Isn't that right? Sure as hell seems like it, wow!

And also just throwing this out there, but do you know anything about the agency I'm with? No. Have you ever talked to my manager? No. Have you ever gotten booked for paid jobs through them? Hmm oh yeah... No! All I was trying to do was inform you of what my agency has done for me and the other models they represent. I guess that's "wrong" though; I suppose I've just been dreaming up everything that's happened so far.

Lastly, you can leave this forum thread now. You have not provided me with any useful information in response to my original question, which for the record was not intended to lead into any immature cat fight about who knows more. You are also not providing me with any helpful answers to my question in a rather unpleasant manner, and I would not like to partake in this conservation further.

^^^ Spoken like a true 17 year-old. 

Wynne, your OP is pointless, because you're not going to get any helpful info on rates from models with different looks, in different areas, with different limits, and with all different experience levels than you.  All that matters is what *you* can get.  What's reasonable for one model to ask is not going to be reasonable for you.

You're 17, you can't do nudes, and you don't have fashion stats.  You're in the same position as hundreds of thousands of other wanna-be models that rarely get any paid gigs. 

Set a rate, start low, see if you get any takers, and go from there.  What other people think is "reasonable" doesn't matter.  You'll quickly find out for yourself that there aren't many folks willing to pay a model with your stats & qualifications.

Apr 05 13 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US


In Portland, Oregon? For non nude it's almost always TF.

For a seasoned nude model here the starting is $60p/h for Playboy+ as an average I'm finding. That's if you're able to find the gigs.

But mostly it's the GWC Group Shoot things that pay for the nude shoots from what I'm hearing.

Besides you have an "agent" so he/she should be booking you for the non-nude commercial/fashion shoots. And I would think your agent should be telling you the going rates that they're charging/expecting for your modeling services.
Apr 05 13 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
B R E N N A N
Posts: 4,131
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Wynne Turner wrote:
Great! I bet you know everything now as well. Isn't that right? Sure as hell seems like it, wow!

And also just throwing this out there, but do you know anything about the agency I'm with? No. Have you ever talked to my manager? No. Have you ever gotten booked for paid jobs through them? Hmm oh yeah... No! All I was trying to do was inform you of what my agency has done for me and the other models they represent. I guess that's "wrong" though; I suppose I've just been dreaming up everything that's happened so far.

Lastly, you can leave this forum thread now. You have not provided me with any useful information in response to my original question, which for the record was not intended to lead into any immature cat fight about who knows more. You are also not providing me with any helpful answers to my question in a rather unpleasant manner, and I would not like to partake in this conservation further.

I gave you the answer you asked for. You asked what your rates should be, and I told you. As someone who has been doing this quite awhile and frequents the Portland area, I am speaking from experience. I'm sorry my answer was not one you were looking for.
If your agency is getting you gigs, that's awesome. I simply replied that they don't function from their own independent website, and have none of these images from clients posted anywhere on their site, blog, or board.
I acknowledged your coming to my area because I was willing to help you navigate NC, which can be an even more difficult market to book than Oregon.

Lashing out at those who are attempting to give you the advice you asked for and help you will do nothing to further your career, especially seeing as how this is a public forum.

And to further answer your OP, you can charge whatever you want. Whether or not you get it is a different story entirely.

Apr 05 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MCPHOTO
Posts: 732
Duvall, Washington, US


I'm just a little north of you. I pay about $50 an hour for swimsuit. But the range seems $50 to 100 an hour. Although most llamas have a three hour minimum.
Apr 05 13 06:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dark Shadows
Posts: 2,269
Miami, Florida, US


I think the fact that your profile says you bring an escort to every shoot, along with the fact that you don't shoot lingerie or glamour, is probably going to make it fairly difficult to land paid gigs consistently.

You're pretty and have a nice figure, so after 18 I expect your earning potential to go up.
Apr 05 13 06:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kelleth
Posts: 2,527
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


K I C K H A M wrote:
Another rule of thumb:
If you wish to set standard rates (mine vary or the project/ amount of hours/ intended use/ etc), then just pick a number. Let's say $30 an hour.

If you get flooded for offers, or people asking your rates automatically "Oh, great!" and you're having trouble finding time for all the shoots, it might be time to up your rates. If you're working the amount you want, and getting the right amount of offers, your rate is probably good. If everyone is trying to negotiate you way down, you aren't booking enough shoots, or people seem shocked when you quote your rates, it's probably time to bring them down.

That sweet spot, even if it seems low, is not necessarily indicative of your look or ability and could just be your market, what other girls are charging, etc.

I agree with everything Kelli has said so far. I try to steer clear of hourly rates as well and just quote flat rates based on time, usage, concept, etc. It makes it a whole lot easier.

I think models shoot themselves in the foot with hourly rates the majority of the time. You should be asking what the usage of the photos will be, first and foremost. I never cease being shocked at how many models I see on here quoting their usual hourly rates for commercial projects.

Apr 05 13 06:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US


Wynne Turner wrote:

Great! I bet you know everything now as well. Isn't that right? Sure as hell seems like it, wow!

And also just throwing this out there, but do you know anything about the agency I'm with? No. Have you ever talked to my manager? No. Have you ever gotten booked for paid jobs through them? Hmm oh yeah... No! All I was trying to do was inform you of what my agency has done for me and the other models they represent. I guess that's "wrong" though; I suppose I've just been dreaming up everything that's happened so far.

Lastly, you can leave this forum thread now. You have not provided me with any useful information in response to my original question, which for the record was not intended to lead into any immature cat fight about who knows more. You are also not providing me with any helpful answers to my question in a rather unpleasant manner, and I would not like to partake in this conservation further.

WOW!!

Pretty abrasive response to a post trying to help you with a question you asked.

Apr 05 13 07:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
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Salinas, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Brennan already gave you your answer for that, you just didnt like it.


TF.

Wynne didn't not say that she didn't like Brennan's answer, she only clarified what Brennan did not know about Wynne's situation.  No one here claims to have all the answers, as that is just plain silliness on the part of anyone starting this catfight.   

There are photographers including myself who would pay her.  There are photographers who she might agree to TF with.  There are NO SET RULES!!!!!   All she asked for were some examples of reasonable rates, and many of us have given her those examples.

Laura UnBound wrote:
If you're doing "non commercial" gigs with mm photographers for clothed work, exhibiting the portfolio/experience you currently have, and you're not of agency standards (regardless of your being signed with an "agency")....what are they supposed to pay you FOR?

Once you can honestly answer that, you'll be able to make your own rates.

Really now???  What is ANY photographer supposed to pay for of a model???  So I guess you think a 17 year old should be required to model TFP until they are 18 or something???

Wynne has already had photographers in her location pay her to model.  Your snide little statement of "What are they supposed to pay you for" does not go over well with me in regards to how to treat newbies on the forum.  This is not the play ground where people can egg someone on or bully others.  (at least under my watch)  No, I'm not a moderator here, but I will call it like I see it.  The OP is a 17 year old who is new to modeling.  You are the adult here.  Act like one!

Apr 05 13 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
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Salinas, California, US


JOEL McDONALD wrote:
WOW!!

Pretty abrasive response to a post trying to help you with a question you asked.

But Joel, did you catch the previous ones??

Like this one;

B R E N N A N wrote:
Ah, I miss being 17 and knowing everything.

Apr 05 13 09:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
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Salinas, California, US


Tony Lawrence wrote:
Wynne, the average model doing editorial fashion for a magazine makes around $25.00 per hour.   Clothed fashion work doesn't pay well unless its catalog or commercial work.   Ask your agency and on that note.   If you are being represented then they should  be arranging work.   That includes tests.   I did look at their website.   You might do better on your own on second thought.   So what's fair to ask for?   That's very hard to say because you are very limited in what you can shoot.   I would start by finding out how and where the images  will be used.   Will a MUA do your face or hair.   Will clothing be provided.   How long is the shoot expected too last.   How far will you have to travel or is the photographer coming to you.   

Several people have thrown around some in my view unrealistic numbers.   However, frankly I'd focus a bit more on adding more variety to my portfolio if I were you.   In any event any wise photographer should be negotiating with your parents and not you.   Sadly many of the photographers you should work with who can improve your book won't pay you.   My feeling is most of the amateurs who would be willing to pay will move on to another model for more then $25.00 to $30.00 per hour.   Good luck!

GREAT RESPONSE!!!!!

Apr 05 13 09:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
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K I C K H A M wrote:

Yep. These are girls who are out to just make money.

It depends on the market, sometimes even small markets *can* be good, because it's all about the demographic.

Here there are a lot of "photographers," some of them legitimately love photography, some are probably in it for the chicks, and they have money to throw around. They don't really care about what they're spending, and they feel productive for doing it.

I don't book many of those jobs, because it's not really what I'm into. Don't get me wrong, I love money. tongue But the quality and content is so low, and I know more girls who get into trouble because they are offered very high rates, and some jacked up people think more should come with it (even if it's a non-nude shoot). The cons outweigh the pros for me.

Also, the $100/ hr is the high end. I'd say anywhere from $40-$75 per hour is more normal. For completely inexperienced, I'd say $25-$40 per hour normal, $50-$70 per hour high. But there are so many at least *somewhat* experienced girls in LA that inexperienced ones getting that higher rate is probably less likely.

But even within a specific market it's so ridiculously individual. It's a reason I don't post rates on my profile.

You were very nice in your posting, and gave the best advise!  Since the OP is relatively new, that is why I said to start at around $25 with a 2 hour min.  The $100 or above is either for the high end, or for adult content.  Best advise is to not set rates.  As a photographer, I don't post rates.  I've gotten some pretty nice paying gigs, and then there are the ones I do for lower, or even TF.  It's on a case by case basis.  No need to be rude, or put down anyone about it.

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