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fotopfw
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Kerkrade, Limburg, Netherlands


Mark Laubenheimer wrote:
again, i'm not debating what you can and can not use to shoot fashion. but since it appears the OP is not into sports photography (where a crop body might be better suited) she may end up moving to full frame soon, and in that case i would not spend a ton of money on an L lens that would then be only temporary.

do you finally see what i am saying? i really can not make the point any clearer.

Excactly the considerations I had when facing the same choices to make. I'm glad I opted for glass suitable for FF, for I moved to FF not long after.

Apr 08 13 11:38 am  Link  Quote 
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AgX
Posts: 1,244
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Carioca wrote:
Get both options thru rental and experiment.
Your lens question is very subjective and I would only trust my own experience before investing in those expensive prime lenses.

50 or 85mm is a focal question of your personal photographic working preference,
1.2, a secondary question, fitting the size of your pocket.

If I was the OP and the A and B choices I was considering were easily available by online rental to be delivered right to my door so that I could shoot my preferred subjects in my lighting with my composition on my bodies, I would choose the above option.

Every. Single. Time.

Apr 08 13 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Robert Jewett
Posts: 2,457
al-Marsā, Tunis, Tunisia


Oh, just get the 85 1.2L.  You know you want to.
Apr 08 13 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Mortonovich
Posts: 5,436
San Diego, California, US


A-M-P wrote:
My current lens line up is 17-40L, 50mm 1.8, 135L 


I'm looking to upgrade all my lenses to L anyhow based on my current lenses. I'm thinking about getting a new lens and I'm stuck between these two. Upgrady my plastic fantastic or get that sweet 85 1.2 lol. If I get one I wont be getting the other.

I shoot on crop sensor camera.


If you were me and had this line up what would you get?


I shoot fashion, Portraits and the very rarely occasional wedding.

Personally I'd get NOTHING.
Save my pennies, keep on shooting and upgrade further down the road.

Apr 08 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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still-photography
Posts: 1,360
Bothell, Washington, US


A-M-P wrote:
My current lens line up is 17-40L, 50mm 1.8, 135L 


I'm looking to upgrade all my lenses to L anyhow based on my current lenses. I'm thinking about getting a new lens and I'm stuck between these two. Upgrady my plastic fantastic or get that sweet 85 1.2 lol. If I get one I wont be getting the other.

I shoot on crop sensor camera.


If you were me and had this line up what would you get?


I shoot fashion, Portraits and the very rarely occasional wedding.

1 - Keep shooting with the crop sensor and ignore advise otherwise.  It is clearly working for you and the manner in which you shoot. 

2 -  You have a considerable gap between your 50 & 135.  Getting another 50mm will only offer an incremental change in your kit.  Adding an 85mm will expand your options considerably.

Apr 08 13 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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pacman829
Posts: 295
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I'd get the 85mm ,

It would bridge the gap between the 50 and 135 , plus you'll enjoy it more when you eventually upgrade to full frame ..

The 50mm 1.8 is fine on a cropped sensor since the worst parts of the lens (the edges) arent seen/used
Apr 08 13 11:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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pacman829
Posts: 295
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I only started hating my 50mm 1.8 when I upgraded to my MKII
Apr 08 13 11:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fred Greissing
Posts: 6,368
Los Angeles, California, US


Full frame sensor is the way to go.

A Canon 100mm f2 on a full frame sensor looks much better than the 85mm 1.2L II.

The 100mm focuses way faster, has internal focusing, weighs much less.

People who say better lenses are more important than using a FF sensor miss one really important point. You are cropping away a significant amount of lens quality and you also don't get as nice bokeh.
Apr 09 13 12:47 am  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,864
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Fred Greissing wrote:
Full frame sensor is the way to go.

A Canon 100mm f2 on a full frame sensor looks much better than the 85mm 1.2L II.

The 100mm focuses way faster, has internal focusing, weighs much less.

People who say better lenses are more important than using a FF sensor miss one really important point. You are cropping away a significant amount of lens quality and you also don't get as nice bokeh.

Good post...I have seen some amazing shots with a 100 2.0 on FF.  I took some of those too tongue  the rest I saw with samples before I had mine.

Apr 09 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
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ChanStudio - OtherSide
Posts: 5,331
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


A-M-P wrote:
I like my 135 

70-200 2.8 too big and too heavy for my liking No thanks.

Then you will not like the 85mm f1.2L II.   Putting that 85mm f1.2L II in front of your camera make the camera unbalance when holding it.

  Also, on full frame camera, the 85mm f1.2L II only sharp in center and everywhere else is not.  Oh yes and there is this purple fringing at wide open..

Apr 09 13 05:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Moon Pix Photography
Posts: 3,892
Syracuse, New York, US


The 85 1.2 II is my favorite lens.  The bokeh is unbelievable. Is it slow? Yes.. but on my 5DIII it seems to focus MUCH faster.. My keeper rate has jumped to 90% or so.

Personally I like it much better than the 135 f/2. 

The 100 f/2 is a good lens for the money but doesn't compare... The 85 1.8 would be a better choice IMO.
Apr 09 13 06:19 am  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Fred Greissing wrote:
Full frame sensor is the way to go.

A Canon 100mm f2 on a full frame sensor looks much better than the 85mm 1.2L II.

The 100mm focuses way faster, has internal focusing, weighs much less.

People who say better lenses are more important than using a FF sensor miss one really important point. You are cropping away a significant amount of lens quality and you also don't get as nice bokeh.

This would be a good separate debate.

Would you prefer the 50 1.8 on a 5D or a 35 1.4 on 1D4?

Apr 09 13 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tim Foster
Posts: 1,758
New York, New York, US


A-M-P wrote:
My current lens line up is 17-40L, 50mm 1.8, 135L 


I'm looking to upgrade all my lenses to L anyhow based on my current lenses. I'm thinking about getting a new lens and I'm stuck between these two. Upgrady my plastic fantastic or get that sweet 85 1.2 lol. If I get one I wont be getting the other.

I shoot on crop sensor camera.


If you were me and had this line up what would you get?


I shoot fashion, Portraits and the very rarely occasional wedding.

For fashion; I'd say even the 50 is too long. I shoot full frame and use a 50 90% of the time; so for you I'd recommend a 28, 30, or 35mm. 70-200 seems way too long on a crop sensor to me.

Apr 10 13 07:07 am  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,864
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Moon Pix Photography wrote:
The 85 1.2 II is my favorite lens.  The bokeh is unbelievable. Is it slow? Yes.. but on my 5DIII it seems to focus MUCH faster.. My keeper rate has jumped to 90% or so.

Personally I like it much better than the 135 f/2. 

The 100 f/2 is a good lens for the money but doesn't compare... The 85 1.8 would be a better choice IMO.

I loved the 100 over the 85 on my 5D.

Apr 10 13 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
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Silver Mirage
Posts: 1,578
Plainview, Texas, US


Obviously a very personal decision. One question is how well do you like your current 50 and how much do you use it?

To me a 50 is almost useless - I'm much happier with the look of an 85 on crop sensor or something around 135 on FF. That said, were I buying I'd go for the 70-200 2.8 as a more versatile and flexible lens. Only  after that would I consider fast primes, if at all.
Apr 10 13 08:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Fred Greissing
Posts: 6,368
Los Angeles, California, US


MC Photo wrote:

This would be a good separate debate.

Would you prefer the 50 1.8 on a 5D or a 35 1.4 on 1D4?

1D4. Better spread of focusing points. 35mm 1.4 has a better iris for shots stopped down even just a little. 50mm 1.8 has a 5 blade iris so bokeh is messy when stopped down even one stop.

Apr 10 13 05:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fred Greissing
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Los Angeles, California, US


Canon 100mm f2

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100112/23/4b4d750b49838.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6021/5963259140_a5d90afb86_z.jpg
wide open

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6009/5961735537_d78f0487f3_b.jpg
crop from above shot

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6121/5961735589_e214d43739_b.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6121/5961735575_e94944b9c9_b.jpg
Crop from same shot

The 100mm F2 is a brilliant lens.
Apr 10 13 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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MichaelClements
Posts: 1,739
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Can't say for Canon as I'm shooting FF Sony, I have 85mm 1.4 and 50mm 1.4 Minolta glass. I absolutely adore the 50mm, sure the 85mm looks like the dogs bollocks but the 50mm is very special so special I have two of them.
Apr 10 13 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Fred Greissing wrote:

1D4. Better spread of focusing points. 35mm 1.4 has a better iris for shots stopped down even just a little. 50mm 1.8 has a 5 blade iris so bokeh is messy when stopped down even one stop.

And if it was a 7D? or 60D?


Have you used the 24-70mkII yet?

Apr 10 13 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tom Gath
Posts: 9
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


I bought The Sigma 50mm f/1.4 and 85mm f?1.4.

Love them both...sharp as hell and they cost me 1/4 of the price! Try the new Sigma 35mm f/1.4. AMAZING piece of glass!!

...but that being said, I agree with a lot of the above comments about the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS. Mine is my go to. Bokeh is unbeatable.
Apr 13 13 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
Posts: 6,347
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Fred Greissing wrote:
Canon 100mm f2


http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6121/5961735575_e94944b9c9_b.jpg
Crop from same shot

The 100mm F2 is a brilliant lens.

Such beautiful work Fred. Cheers. Is this straight out of the box? Or has some post work been done?

Apr 13 13 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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