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Photographer
zurkzees
Posts: 57
Houston, Texas, US


I've got a good grasp on skin retouching but I still have
problem retouching hair, more so massive strays over
skin like the neck. I'm stuck with editing image from my
set because I can't get past this portion of editing.

How would you guy edit the hair on the neck and still
have a natural looking hair/skin edge?

http://cdb-interiors.com/temp/wide.png

http://cdb-interiors.com/temp/closeup.png
Apr 18 13 07:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Frankcerro
Posts: 40
Sevilla, Andalusia, Spain


first, clean all that you want with frecuency split and D&B and then paint with a small brush like three or two pixels at 80% to make more real the retouch.
Apr 18 13 10:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Laura EB
Posts: 65
Rochester, New York, US


I've done this before to a somewhat lesser degree and here's what I did.

1.Healing brush/clone/patch away all the hairs, sometimes it helps to do this on a layer sent to lighten first then again on a normal layer.  I didn't really worry to much it it looked all messy and gross because after this you...
2. D&B the heck outta the parts you fixed because I honestly feel like there's no simple&good&fast way to get ridda those hairs you really have to spend a lotta time healing then D&B
3. (optional)Draw in some new hairs near the edges to help keep it looking real, do this with the clone tool and a very tiny brush with the opacity set down a bit.

Sometimes though if I'm in a rush I'll create a surface blur layer (I know, blur ahhh!) and set it to lighten or normal if perfection isn't a big deal with the part that need to be fixed masked.  You still have to do the other two steps it just makes it go a little quicker.

All that being said, if all the hair is messy like that, sometimes having a nice smooth cut off looks weird, so make sure all the rest of your hair is nice and tamed after you do this!

Here's an example from my port:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130418/11/5170353b62646.jpg
Apr 18 13 11:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia Retouch
Posts: 107
Donetsk, Donetsk, Ukraine


Use the clone stamp tool with 40-70%hardness, 100% opacity.
Apr 18 13 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Kristiana-Retouch
Posts: 289
London, England, United Kingdom


In this case I probably would split frequencies - on high over messy hair I would clone good neck texture and then clone/paint in on low layer or blank layer between good neck color. (both probably with pretty large hard brushes)
I would do it in larger area than needed. After it's replaced I would make Inverted mask to all frequency separation group and paint in where I need it. After that D&B to fix or change any problem areas.
Apr 19 13 01:09 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


On a blank layer, I would clone out all the frizzies with a large brush, going well into the good hair, at 100% opacity. Put a mask on that, define the hair edge fairly sharply, then on a new layer sketch in some hairs to break up that line so it makes a natural transition to skin.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3235/hairline.jpg
Apr 19 13 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Ken Fournelle
Posts: 99
Saint Paul, Minnesota, US


Peano +1
Apr 19 13 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
zurkzees
Posts: 57
Houston, Texas, US


+111111 Peano for going beyond and showing the result.

Ken Fournelle wrote:
Peano +1

Thanks for the many responses, I'll give them a try.

Apr 19 13 10:18 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
retouchbysui
Posts: 99
London, England, United Kingdom


how to draw the hair and having it looking like real hair?
Apr 20 13 04:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


retouches by sui wrote:
how to draw the hair and having it looking like real hair?

Set your brush to 0% hardness. Experiment with the opacity fade setting. Vary the color.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1254/brushesmh.jpg

Apr 20 13 06:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
retouchbysui
Posts: 99
London, England, United Kingdom


Peano wrote:

Set your brush to 0% hardness. Experiment with the opacity fade setting. Vary the color.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1254/brushesmh.jpg

thanks smile

Apr 21 13 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JoshuaBerardi
Posts: 613
Davenport, Iowa, US


Ken Fournelle wrote:
Peano +1

+1

Best way to do this.

Apr 21 13 08:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
AKMac
Posts: 306
London, England, United Kingdom


With Peano's approach it is often necessary to apply noise and blur to the added hair to blend it in.
Apr 21 13 11:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
nebulaoperator
Posts: 327
London, England, United Kingdom


Approach I use is variety of a couple of ways. First I would clone in a peace of skin to cover that area(if delicate clean up doesn't work). Then I would reveal the hair strings that can blend in with the hair I draw. I also look for the hair peaces around in the image or if possible from the other image and clone on top. It is a play around approach. I can end up with group of layers consisting of quiet a few layers. Once the  appearance look natural a leave it to dodge and burn, color adjustments , contrast and etc.  I was hating the idea at the start that I will have to learn draw the hair but once I managed to do it's very helpful. Having said that I get  angry when hair stylist doesn't do a proper job. Photographer should also pay attention to details like that.
Apr 22 13 02:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A R A G O N
Posts: 41


+1

AKMac wrote:
With Peano's approach it is often necessary to apply noise and blur to the added hair to blend it in.

Apr 22 13 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
richy01
Posts: 153
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


Thanks Peano, great advice....
Apr 25 13 09:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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