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Photographer
Menai Media
Posts: 137
Bangor, Wales, United Kingdom


I worked with a model recently who said they didn't like black and white images. Each to their own I know, but I wondered how many other models out there don't like them and why that is?
Apr 21 13 05:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Colin Rogers
Posts: 29
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


For me, its a matter of standing out, casting directors and companies see 100s of pictures everyday.
Apr 23 13 05:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,609
Berkeley, California, US


I prefer B&W.  smile.
Apr 23 13 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


It should depend on the individual - Models with more eccentric or stunning features are benefited by black and white moreso.
Apr 23 13 06:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


I haven't noticed this smile






Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Apr 23 13 06:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Barnes Photography
Posts: 215
Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui, New Zealand


In TFP shoots, if there are images I convert to black & white, I always edit the colour version as well so the model has the choice.

Nine times out of ten, the model goes with the black & white one.
Apr 23 13 11:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


M Barnes Photography wrote:
In TFP shoots, if there are images I convert to black & white, I always edit the colour version as well so the model has the choice.

Nine times out of ten, the model goes with the black & white one.

I've had a lot of people do this, and I do appreciate it. That being said, I usually prefer the photo to end up whichever way it looks best, color or not.

Apr 24 13 01:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Harris Photography
Posts: 508
Edison, New Jersey, US


Wynd Mulysa wrote:
I prefer B&W.  smile.

I have found many other models would agree with you. With so many photographers shooting in color these days, well done B&W can really attract attention.

Apr 25 13 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
_BlossomFairy_
Posts: 155
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


I usually trust the photographer judgement smile
B&W photos are beautiful.


-Amy
Apr 25 13 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fresh Faces Photography
Posts: 261
Santa Rosa, California, US


Both color and black & white can be fabulous. Some images just look better in B&W, others in color. Anyone who automatically rules out one or the other isn't paying attention.
Apr 25 13 05:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ivan Galaviz - Photo
Posts: 891
Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico


It really is a very open option.

Some images work nicely in BW, other requiere color....

some even go both ways.


It's a subjective matter
Apr 25 13 05:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TrianglePhoto
Posts: 580
Chicago, Illinois, US


Color? What is this "color" you are talking about?

I'm pretty sure if a model doesn't like b/w, he/she won't spend much time looking at my images...
Apr 26 13 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


They know that black and whites bring out their true spirit and they dont want you to see them in their true self.
Apr 26 13 07:55 am  Link  Quote 
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David Kaley
Posts: 46
Kenosha, Wisconsin, US


In my initial communication with models I note that I am especially looking to shoot B&W along with color.  I find that nearly every model I talk to says she LOVES B&W.  When I give her the previews I typically convert a few to B&W so she can see how they would look.

Yet, nearly every model chooses color for their final retouched images (typically 4-5 per pre-agreement).  Go figure!
Apr 26 13 08:15 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,555
Muncie, Indiana, US


I have always preferred B & W. I even had some of my wedding photos in B & W and had to pay quite a bit extra because of it.

I believe the model you spoke to is in the minority.
Apr 27 13 01:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Menai Media
Posts: 137
Bangor, Wales, United Kingdom


Thanks for your feedback everybody. It's become a personal challenge to convince them to put at least one black and white image on to their profile. It may take time ... but I'm determined to get those blinkers off. Game on! :-)
Apr 29 13 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,264
Tucson, Arizona, US


Isis22 wrote:
I even had some of my wedding photos in B & W and had to pay quite a bit extra because of it.

You had to pay extra to get images in B&W? Why?

Apr 29 13 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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The Original Sin
Posts: 13,894
Louisville, Kentucky, US


Here's the thing- if you're not strikingly beautiful with exotic coloring, color can do you a disservice, as people just skim over it.  I've had the same image posted in color and then in B&W, and invariably the B&W gets rave reviews while the color gets ignored.  Same shot, mind you.  Same skin, same hair, same pose, same everything- but in color it's just another naked chick, and in B&W it becomes art.
Apr 29 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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LexLethal
Posts: 671
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


You know, it depends for me. Sometimes I don't like B&W versions at all, I prefer the color to pop. Other times, B&W can take a photo I wasn't sure of to one I really like. I'm weird.
Apr 29 13 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tiffany Bond
Posts: 76
West Jordan, Utah, US


I think color tells a lot of the story. I personally prefer color to B&W, though some pictures are very flattering without color... It just has to be a certain kind of shot. I feel like anyone can make a black and white photo look good, but it takes talent to really make color take your breath away. I usually choose the color over the B&W, but it's just a preference.
Apr 30 13 01:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
E LeBron Pryor
Posts: 45
BRONX, New York, US


I love black and white. Makes a photo timeless...
Apr 30 13 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Loli Scotch
Posts: 78
Austin, Texas, US


It truly does depend on the photo.  Obviously, some photos are taken for the grand, contrasting colours, or perhaps the model has wonderfully bright hair, or exotic skin, or who knows - just something that speaks more in colour.

Or perhaps the model has strong, violent features, that are better accentuated - this said, just going in after the shoot and editing a photo to be black and white is not enough in my opinion.  I personally believe that black and white photos are taken in the studio, even if not technically.  The right lighting is necessary, because without the intense shadows, what's the point?  Sometimes they can make a photo seem more soft, which is great, but the truly fantastic black and whites are the ones that make every wrinkle, pore, and aspect that makes us uniquely human stand out.

Personally, for a lightly edited photo, I much prefer sepia-toned photos to black and white.  But that's just me.
Apr 30 13 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charlie-CNP
Posts: 2,644
New York, New York, US


Summary of the thread: everyone's opinions are highly subjective when interpreting imagery and art by their own views. big_smile

with that said... here is something to consider whether images are black and white or color. Are they done WELL?  ie. composition, lighting, does the image resonate with what it is meant to say..etc.  I think for example that the biggest mistake that people make with color imagery is not knowing how to properly mix color pallets. A lot of professionals even make this mistake. This can be the benefit of black and white which is about tones vs. blending of pallets that are interpreted as visual language. When thinking about color also, each color has a subconsious psychological association with it that is subjective to the audience that is viewing it. For example, the color red can mean love, lust, death, danger..etc. A lot of people don't think about this sort of thing before shooting.

but in my personal opinion, give me some true black and white film any day. big_smile
Apr 30 13 11:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,742
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Menai Media wrote:
I worked with a model recently who said they didn't like black and white images...

Was the model a client? if so then you would be wise to meet or exceed their expectations... If this was a test collaborative then concept imagery, story board and narrative needs to be agreed upon before the session... all involved should have input of merit...

If the talent received monetary recompense unless you had contractual obligation with them their thoughts on aesthetics shouldn't play into the mix here...

beauty is in the eyes of the checkbook holder, in my humble estimation...

May 01 13 04:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18,211
Orlando, Florida, US


Menai Media wrote:
Thanks for your feedback everybody. It's become a personal challenge to convince them to put at least one black and white image on to their profile. It may take time ... but I'm determined to get those blinkers off. Game on! :-)

Why do you care about what they put on their profile. What goes on their profile should not concern you. Shoot what you want for yours and let them use whatever they want for theirs.

May 01 13 05:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
T A Y L O R
Posts: 2,977
Austin, Texas, US


I like color photos because then people can tell in an instant how tan I am, which is the most important part of modeling.

cool
May 01 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MichaelClements
Posts: 1,739
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
They know that black and whites bring out their true spirit and they dont want you to see them in their true self.

You're taking the piss right?

Black and white was a technical limitation, it seems some people like to throw overly romanticised notions onto that fact.
I have a sneaky suspicion most current black and white work is just that purely because it would look crap in colour...


http://www.michaelclements.com.au/

May 01 13 06:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dekilah
Posts: 4,889
Detroit, Michigan, US


If I had to venture a guess, I would say they do not like black and white because they want to be seen in color, or some aspect to be seen in color. It might be their eye or hair color, or the color of the dress they are wearing, etc.

It could also be because some photographers do advise models that color images are better for their portfolio because it shows what they "really look like" given that it shows skin tone, hair color, etc.

It may also be that for some models, especially younger ones, black and white seems old-fashioned and they want to be very trend-savvy and very modern, etc.

I like black and white photos of myself usually, particularly art nudes. But I make sure I have some color photos in my port too. There have been times when I had to make myself choose a color version because I just had so much black and white already. I tend to lean towards black and white if I see both versions for some reason.
May 02 13 07:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,743
Seattle, Washington, US


Menai Media wrote:
I worked with a model recently who said they didn't like black and white images. Each to their own I know, but I wondered how many other models out there don't like them and why that is?

i don't like black and white either.

i prefer monochrome. big_smile

May 02 13 12:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Actually I like sepia, or B&W with color added. A couple of my photos for Trac are B&W eyes colored. Can really stand out.

Nathine
May 02 13 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RME Digital Photography
Posts: 267
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


I actually had a photography teacher once who said she shoots all black and white unless color would add something to the shot.  Kind of an interesting thing to think about when editing photos.  Now I find myself asking that question for every photo.  Does color add something to this shot?
May 03 13 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
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R Bruce Duncan
Posts: 527
Santa Barbara, California, US


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