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Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18,211
Orlando, Florida, US


So I got RCMA Shinto and KO palettes  because well I wanted to try these professional products that I keep hearing about in these forums and everyone raves about. And well I'm dissapointed. I feel the payoff and the coverage is subpar. Other foundations that I have in my kit and I prefer over this are MUFE HD, Lancome teint miracle, MAC studio sculpt and even my Revlon color stay I gave a list so you can get an idea what I'm comparing to which I'm surprised I prefer it over these palettes. I'm hoping that is user error what is your preferred method to apply this for full coverage without having to put layers upon layers I feel their coverage is not as full coverage as I was hoping. I'm not trying to put the product down but I have two palettes that I need to figure out how to use because there must be a reason these are recommended by many artists. I don't know maybe I just don't know how to work with a cream foundation.

Any help is greatly appreciated
Apr 24 13 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,687
Washington, District of Columbia, US


A-M-P wrote:
So I got RCMA Shinto and KO palettes

wise choice...

A-M-P wrote:
Other foundations that I have in my kit and I prefer over this are MUFE HD, Lancome teint miracle, MAC studio sculpt and even my Revlon color stay I gave a list so you can get an idea what I'm comparing to which I'm surprised I prefer it over these palettes.

First and foremost in tenured hands all the aforementioned will yield excellent results (not surprisingly) also brand loyalty oft plays into the picture... that seems to be a given with many artist...

My question to you is are your evaluating product for personal use or for commercial use in event or production photoshoot/video?  RCMA is decidedly not a retail product, thus requires a tad more skill to apply... There are compelling reasons it is used in production environments...

Next question did you also purchase the appropriate RCMA Thinner to use with the product? Without this you will not have the latitude of diversity the product is capable of... Please study the reviews on RCMA's foundation thinner to help you achieve your expectations here...

A-M-P wrote:
...there must be a reason these are recommended by many artists...

+1  I was advised on the WONDERFUL versatility of RCMA by a tenure professional who's client list is more than amazing...

A-M-P wrote:
...maybe I just don't know how to work with a cream foundation.

patience grasshopper.... proficiency comes with time/tenure/practice... I have used a myriad of product commercially, nearly all the ones you have enumerated above... only one product has superseded RCMA as my foundation of choice, and that is TEMPTU S/B airbrush foundation... it is entirely in a league of it's own...  that said, the learning curve for airbrush is rather demanding (I'm being conservative here) so don't think migration to the aforementioned will take your game to the next level...

Food for thought... so I go out and buy a NIKON D4 and my photographs still aren't getting me booked by major ad agencies... must be that the camera sucks... right?

all the best on your journey...

Apr 25 13 05:47 am  Link  Quote 
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A-M-P
Posts: 18,211
Orlando, Florida, US


Thomas Van Dyke wrote:
My question to you is are your evaluating product for personal use or for commercial use in event or production photoshoot/video?  RCMA is decidedly not a retail product, thus requires a tad more skill to apply... There are compelling reasons it is used in production environments...

Next question did you also purchase the appropriate RCMA Thinner to use with the product? Without this you will not have the latitude of diversity the product is capable of... Please study the reviews on RCMA's foundation thinner to help you achieve your expectations here...

I got it for my kit for photo-shoot makeup. No I did not get the thinner

Apr 25 13 06:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,687
Washington, District of Columbia, US


A-M-P wrote:
...No I did not get the thinner

there in lays an issue... straight RCMA has a rather stiff slip and glide... by design...  Because it is highly pigmented it can be used as concealer straight (I do this a lot with women of color) since many concealer palettes aren't always diverse enough for a good match...

The beauty of using RCMA straight is for talent with surface texture issues i.e. large pores etc.  RCMA can/will spackle these effectively...

thinning the product makes it more like retail brands in slip and glide properties...

btw, my assistant nearly always uses RCMA on set, albeit for her personal use it's a liquid that gets the nod... why?  primarily convenience...  retail product goes on fast and is pretty much hassle free...  but just doesn't photograph nearly as well... also highlighting/contouring with liquid foundation product simply isn't nearly as effective....   

The superb blending properties of RCMA is what endears it to artists....

hope this helps...

Apr 25 13 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Michael Key
Posts: 224
New York, New York, US


RCMA has great products and the foundations are excellent...but they might require a slightly different technique compared to products design for pedestrian use.
Apr 26 13 01:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mary
Posts: 7,157
Coronado, California, US


Thomas said it all,  The man has a way with words that's for sure.    As he said..this foundation takes some practice, it is NOT for the retail consumer by any stretch.. I've been using it my entire career and I just can't leave it because the results never let me down. I personally  know and respect the founder of Cinema Secrets, Graftobian and Joe Blasco...I never personally met Vincent (RCMA founder)  and so I don't personally have a bias for the RCMA brand...

Maybe I have an attachment because it's the foundation I fell in love with first? It's the only brand whose founder hung up on me when I asked if I could carry it in my store many years ago... LOL!  I love a challenge, maybe that's it.....   Who knows why I love this foundation  so much but I do. It looks like skin, that's the best way I can describe it...When you get it on, you can't see it..it doesn't look like foundation.  Almost every shot in my book was done with RCMA... many of the real recent stuff was done with Graftobian but 80% of my portfolio is RCMA foundation.
Apr 27 13 01:08 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
jmorrismua
Posts: 55
Chicago, Illinois, US


Just purchased both palettes for my kit. It's the only foundation I've ever used that tricked my eyes into thinking I had perfect skin. I literally could not see it. I'm shinto 4 and I'm in love with this.
Oct 08 14 04:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,458
Palm Beach, Florida, US


For sure my next palette is going to be RCMA

And of course from CRC tongue
Oct 08 14 09:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 741
Los Angeles, California, US


I keep 2 cream, 3 liquid and one powder foundation in rotation in my kit for print and film. RCMA is my top pick most of the time. There is, as others have said, a learning curve with the product and it is not my top recommendation for novices and I would never recommend it to a consumer. But for pros it is simply the best.
Oct 08 14 11:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ashley Langston MUA
Posts: 11
Pleasanton, California, US


RCMA is a staple in my kit.  You do have to really sheer it out before applying it.  You can't apply it directly from the container to the face, otherwise it'd start to "crumble" as you try to smooth it on the face.  I actually have the thinner, but I never use it.  What I do is scoop out the product with a spatula place the scooped foundation on a metal palette.  I then sort of do this "swirl and press" circular motion thing to really get the foundation super creamy.  After it's smoothed and creamed out, I then apply it to the model's face.  Sometimes after dabbing it onto the models face, I'll lightly spritz the face with a rosewater/glycerin then buff out the foundation with a buffing brush.  BEAUTIFUL!  Man, I love this stuff, Lol.  It has yet to fail me in regard to how it looks in photos.

BTW, I have the shinto palette.
Oct 09 14 09:32 am  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,755
Los Angeles, California, US


RCMA was created by Vincent Keheo and a group of pro artists for pro artists ..........hence the name "Research council of makeup artists "  " RCMA" its an industry standard for working artists

Unlike the forebrands you mentioned there is a versatility with RCMA the others cant match

If your not getting why its so great you, your probably having the expectation as you would a foundation that comes from a bottle , you just pour it out , slap in on and ta dah! you get what you get ...............

RCMA  is much more versatile than that and much more workable

1) you don't need a special thinner for RCMA , I use my fav moisturizer when and where  I want to sheer it out

2) I very rarely have any need for a concealer when I use RCMA because I can adjust the amount of coverage I need and where.

3) the color range of the palette's makes it so it will and can work on EVERYBODY of any ethniticity

4) its meant to be worked with and worked and mixed , makeup artists are like junior chemists, we love to mix and play
For example in film I tend to break it down( thin it out ) with a little moisturizer but in fashion I LOVE to add stuff like strobe cream or artificial light to it to create dewy glowey  skin

5) if the skin is really hydrated or oily I notice it can slide a lil so I don't use an oil base moisturizer and will use a water base to prep the skin if and where needed  , if the skin is really dry I use an  especially emoilent moisturizer where needed

RCMA allows you the creativity to adjust your foundation per model/actress/client /job with a HUGE range of colors and its in a pallette as opposed to carry a bunch of bottles
Its space saving , completely controlable and adjustable for any medium , hi def , film , print , red carpet , bridal ........

my suggestion .......... play .... experiment ........mix

hope that helps
Oct 13 14 08:08 am  Link  Quote 
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MUA Janine
Posts: 236
Oakland, California, US


A-M-P wrote:
So I got RCMA Shinto and KO palettes  because well I wanted to try these professional products that I keep hearing about in these forums and everyone raves about. And well I'm dissapointed. I feel the payoff and the coverage is subpar. Other foundations that I have in my kit and I prefer over this are MUFE HD, Lancome teint miracle, MAC studio sculpt and even my Revlon color stay I gave a list so you can get an idea what I'm comparing to which I'm surprised I prefer it over these palettes. I'm hoping that is user error what is your preferred method to apply this for full coverage without having to put layers upon layers I feel their coverage is not as full coverage as I was hoping. I'm not trying to put the product down but I have two palettes that I need to figure out how to use because there must be a reason these are recommended by many artists. I don't know maybe I just don't know how to work with a cream foundation.

Any help is greatly appreciated

I couldn't agree more to be honest. I know a ton of artists swear by it...but as someone who has worked with it and have had it applied to my face by numerous artists...eh. I just personally find it to be too thin. Yes it can be applied in layers, but to be frank 'ain't nobody got time'. Imo cream foundations are overrated. I personally prefer MUFE too. Again, just my opinion.

Oct 17 14 08:37 am  Link  Quote 
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