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I take long walks downtown. On one of my routes, I walk past a business selling furs. Every once in a while, there is a half-hearted protest outside, you know, "Fur is Murder" crowd. I always shake my head at them because many of them are protesting fur while wearing leather (belts, shoes, handbags, jackets, backpacks, etc.). I also wonder whether all of these people are vegetarians.
I will not buy new fur, leather or animal products, but I do not personally believe in wasting useable items that are still in good shape. The animal whose skin made that jacket died for absolutely nothing. Don't add insult to injury by throwing it away before it's been worn totally out. In other words, I will wear it if someone else is throwing it out, or it's free and donated. For example, the only belt I own is leather. I found it thrown over a chair in a bar two years ago. Someone forgot it, and it was a perfectly good belt.
No, i would not feel inclined to buy a car with leather seats, unless it was used and all i could find that fit my budget.
I think it depends on how hardcore vegan they are, assuming there is a strong correlation that vegans are against leather (the killing of animals for their skin) and not just because they don't eat meat. If I was a vegan and a practical person and needed the car to go somewhere (instead of walking), I'd get the car.
I know a man who I always thought was vegan. His son told me today that he doesn't consider himself vegan because he does consume a small amount of dairy products (usually milk or cheese). The son said he wouldn't buy a new car with leather or buy/wear leather or any other material that came from an animal's skin ... but if the car were used and priced right, he'd live with the leather.
This hasn't happened with him because he tends to shop for the cheapest cars (those cars that sold for the lowest prices when new). Most cars below a certain price point weren't/aren't available from the factory with leather interiors.
I still think it's a fascinating discussion. It's not meant to put anyone down for the decisions they make. I never thought it would come down to how hardcore a person is for a particular thing, but that makes it more fascinating to me.
I'm not a vegan and it's not about eating a car. Most people I know refer to a person as vegan if they want absolutely nothing to do with any product that has ties to animals. In other words, if a particular brand of cosmetics is made using animal fats, they won't use those cosmetics. They aren't eating the cosmetics. They are consuming them, though, if they use them.
In this case, the car isn't new, they didn't order it that way and they probably aren't shopping for a car specifically that has leather seats. One just happens to show up on their radar.
Jules NYC wrote: Die-hard vegans would not buy the car or date anyone that ate meat.
Death of Field wrote: The Die hard Vegan YOU know would not buy the car and dictated YOUR meals.
Not all Vegan people are the same.
vegans are about at diverse as most other groups of people.
They are vegan for many reasons and have differing rules of what sort of vegan lifestyle they choose to live.
I know one girl who will not date anyone who eats/uses animal products.
What that really boils down to, and I think she's starting to realize it, is that she will be single pretty much forever, because only 2% of the world's population is vegan.
If you even randomly meet another vegan, it's pretty awesome, let alone meet one who is romantically compatible with you.
I think it's silly. Sometimes, people eating meat grosses me out a little, but the fact is I'm the minority, and I live in a world of meat-eaters. It's none of my business what other people do, and I don't want to be alone for the rest of my life, so it's my problem, and not anyone else's.
Lohkee wrote: I would have thought it would be practically **impossible** to not consume animal products in some way, be it cosmetics, medicine, etc, etc, etc.
It is, especially considering how many plants are to some degree animal products. Many plants, particularly vegetables we use as food, require animals to pollinate them, and many of those animals are domesticated and live entirely in human captivity.
I used to sell luxury cars. There were several times when people asked for cloth interiors (or BMW's "leatherette") citing they were vegans, or had animal rights reasons. I can tell you that none of these people passed up a car they really wanted even though it came with leather.
Danger Ninja Production wrote: the entire concept of veganism though is that an animal dying solely for the purpose of supplying human needs is dying for no worthy reason
With that logic, the animal is born and alive for no worthy reason, too.
And, that's not what she said. She said, "The animal whose skin made that jacket died for absolutely nothing."
The animal died for meat. Leather is a by product in this case. I can't think of any cows that are bred and raised exclusively for their leather.
I should have clarified.....meat has no nutritional value that cannot be obtained in a healthier way from plant based foods. So it itself it has nothing to offer that isn't attached to negative health consequences when overeaten, and most Americans overeat meat.
Eyesso wrote: I should have clarified.....meat has no nutritional value that cannot be obtained in a healthier way from plant based foods. So it itself it has nothing to offer that isn't attached to negative health consequences when overeaten, and most Americans overeat meat.
I prefer the idea of freeganism over veganism (but I'm neither). You seldom find cars in dumpsters with the title, but I think the basic premise that you didn't directly support the death of the animal still applies buying used.