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Vincent_L
Posts: 60
Los Angeles, California, US


So much for the carrot and stick model for getting people to migrate to Creative Cloud. Now it's mandatory.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/adobe- … pped-boxes
May 06 13 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,038
New York, New York, US


Bad idea, I don't like it. I don't want to log onto the internet to edit. I don't care about being able to use it on any PC and what happens when I can't access the internet? I also don't want to spend $50 a month for it. That ends up being more expensive in the long term.
May 06 13 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
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GRMACK
Posts: 1,766
Bakersfield, California, US


Yeah.  I just saw that and was reading it on Adobe's site.

http://www.adobe.com/cc/letter.html

No way am I going to pay $50 a month "FOREVER" to use Photoshop.  I don't use any of their other software packages so I could care less about the suite of them.  Don't know their collection scheme either as I'm not fond of auto-payments out of my checking account (I have had double payments so I killed auto-pay off.).

Since CS5 was $700 when I bought it, and the upgrade to CS6 was $200, and figuring PS has a normal run of 1.5 years, this is an absurd price hike.  Thinking of the above, it cost me $900 in 3 years for PS.  Now "The Cloud PS" will cost me $1,800 for 3 years!  Probably will do some rate hike too as most subscriptions often do (Cell phone which has doubled comes to mind.).  Think again Adobe.

Now if someone else comes along with software and offers to work with all the PS plugins in and sells the software, I'm in.  Corel, (Paint Shop Pro) you listening?

Time to write a nasty letter to Adobe.  Probably snail mail too since they can spam-off nasty email ones.
May 06 13 11:59 am  Link  Quote 
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salvatori.
Posts: 3,751
State College, Pennsylvania, US


Just curious, but is upgrading necessary? I mean, can you keep using the current version without the internet?

If so, don't buy the upgrade, unless there is a significant difference with upgraded features (which isn't likely).
May 06 13 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,038
New York, New York, US


salvatori. wrote:
Just curious, but is upgrading necessary? I mean, can you keep using the current version without the internet?

If so, don't buy the upgrade, unless there is a significant difference with upgraded features (which isn't likely).

You can but eventually they will stop supporting the current software. Then what?...

May 06 13 12:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


salvatori. wrote:
Just curious, but is upgrading necessary? I mean, can you keep using the current version without the internet?

If so, don't buy the upgrade, unless there is a significant difference with upgraded features (which isn't likely).

Not until your OS changes and requires a new version of Photoshop that will only exist in the cloud.

May 06 13 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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KMP
Posts: 4,716
Houston, Texas, US


Marin Photography wrote:
Bad idea, I don't like it. I don't want to log onto the internet to edit. I don't care about being able to use it on any PC and what happens when I can't access the internet? I also don't want to spend $50 a month for it. That ends up being more expensive in the long term.

you don't have to log on to use the programs.  You download them and they can be on multiple computers and all activated at the same time. You're just not allowed to use the same program on multiple computers at the same time..

I use the cloud and I like it. I'm seriously considering continuing my subscription.

BUT.. I agree that for those that only need a program like PS and can use it for years without upgrading, it's a bad deal and Adobe should keep the option of users to have the choice.

I liken their policy change to the fiasco of Netflix when they wanted to combine streaming and mail order subscriptions for a higher price.   Bad PR move and damn near collapsed them. 

I doubt Adobe, since they don't have the competition that Netflix did but.. will have that issue but it's still a slap in the face to their customers.

May 06 13 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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KMP
Posts: 4,716
Houston, Texas, US


salvatori. wrote:
Just curious, but is upgrading necessary? I mean, can you keep using the current version without the internet?

If so, don't buy the upgrade, unless there is a significant difference with upgraded features (which isn't likely).

There are a few upgrades but they don't last past a year or so.. After that Adobe has their next version out..

And as mentioned above, the OS can become an issue.

For those that want to hold out, I guess you can get the fastest computer you can afford and get CS6.    It'll last a few years..but I'd guess in 5-6 years, most will either find another program or have to buy into Adobe.  sad

May 06 13 12:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,038
New York, New York, US


I only use PS and camera raw, the other features for me would be a waste.
May 06 13 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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ForeverFotos
Posts: 6,620
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


I'm still using CS2 and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade it. It's the same for windows, my photoshop computer is still on windows XP. I've had this philosophy with software for years that upgrading just for the sake of upgrading is a waste of money. I've avoided mounds of problems and thousands of headaches by staying with versions that worked just fine.

If if works, why fix it?
May 06 13 12:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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David J Martin
Posts: 456
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


It's great for Adobe.  You figure buying Photoshop CS whatever costs around $600.  They only make $200 every 1.5 years off people upgrading, if they do upgrade.  Now they will make the cost of a person buying a new program of Photo Shop every year with $50 x 12 months.  It's great for Adobe, sucks for the consumer.

Of course they want to go to a cloud/subscription business model, they'll be raking in money.
May 06 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton
Posts: 6,371
Dallas, Texas, US


BAD idea...if Adobe does this with PS, I will start looking for a viable alternative!

Wow...this is SO totally bad for me...I have PS CS6, InDesign CS5, Dreamweaver CS6, PS Elements, PS Premier Elements, PS Lightroom...i.e.: I have a TON of money invested in Adobe products!!!
May 06 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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David J Martin
Posts: 456
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


It's like you get to pay for a brand new photoshop, not the upgrade price, every year.
May 06 13 12:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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-The Dave-
Posts: 8,614
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


So on location without internet you can't use Photoshop?
May 06 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zave Smith Photography
Posts: 1,385
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


I really wonder if this is going to backfire on them. 

Once they go to a subscription llama, what will be their incentive to innovate?  Already I am seeing there new ideas get thin.  For example, Lightroom 5 beta does not seem that much better then LR4 and looking at what they are bragging about in the next version of photoshop is not making me wish that I had it today.

This will be interesting but 20plus dollars a month?  Even for a working professional like myself, this gives me a pause since I really don't like having monthly payments for anything anymore.
May 06 13 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Pantelis Palios
Posts: 249
Birmingham, England, United Kingdom


Gimp?
May 06 13 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vincent_L
Posts: 60
Los Angeles, California, US


salvatori. wrote:
If so, don't buy the upgrade, unless there is a significant difference with upgraded features (which isn't likely).

You will eventually require updates to Photoshop even if you don't want new features. If you ever plan to buy the latest camera you will need Adobe to update ACR to support it. You can probably use a third party RAW converter but it's not a clean workflow.

May 06 13 12:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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GRMACK
Posts: 1,766
Bakersfield, California, US


The problem will be when Adobe quits supporting CS6 and any new cameras that come out that need a RAW converter which isn't in the old versions.  They did in CS5 with many new cameras, unless one wants to import it as a DNG file to work with in on the older versions.  So bye-bye for any new camera running in Cloud-Based PS unless you pay a monthly fee to use it.

Another issue is that is many don't use it for a month or more at a time, but you get to pay for it anyway.

Since I paid $900 for CS5 ($700) and the CS6 upgrade ($200) for a three year run, this $50 a month thing is going to run $1,800 now for three years.  Something fishy?

There is some ramblings about the school's version not being a monthly subscription-based as IT will have to do some broad license and install on multiple machines so they are not totally abandoning a one-time install, just for the public who will need to go "The Cloud" and pay "FOREVER" whether you use it or not.

Probably will get wrapped up into some two-year licensing contract like the phones too.  Maybe even meter it's usage: "The more you use it, the more you pay. But even if you don't 'That'll be $50 please.'"

Whole thing smells of Adobe greed.
May 06 13 12:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Giacomo Cirrincioni
Posts: 21,074
New York, New York, US


Vincent_L wrote:

You will eventually require updates to Photoshop even if you don't want new features. If you ever plan to buy the latest camera you will need Adobe to update ACR to support it. You can probably use a third party RAW converter but it's not a clean workflow.

Capture One Pro 7 is the only raw converter I would use, regardless.  The workflow is just fine.

May 06 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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E Thompson Photography
Posts: 193
Hyattsville, Maryland, US


I wonder how plug-ins would work with this cloud based service.
May 06 13 12:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,719
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


Gary Melton wrote:
BAD idea...if Adobe does this with PS, I will start looking for a viable alternative!

Wow...this is SO totally bad for me...I have PS CS6, InDesign CS5, Dreamweaver CS6, PS Elements, PS Premier Elements, PS Lightroom...i.e.: I have a TON of money invested in Adobe products!!!

Same for me. It's the start of the end of my use of photoshop.

May 06 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Will Snizek Photography
Posts: 1,387
Beckley, West Virginia, US


That's fine with me.  I don't plan to upgrade Photoshop for a very long time.  I'm not doing any editing ever that requires me to log into their servers.
May 06 13 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Terry Scott Reed
Posts: 38
Reading, Pennsylvania, US


Everyone will vote with their wallet, and it will fly or it won't, based on revenue. This seems like a great opportunity for Adobe's competitors, and I'll bet there is some midnight oil being burned. When the "mighty" throw their weight around, they usually lose. The user (and paying customer) always drives the market in the long term. Attempts by vendors to drive the market frequently fail. Ask NCR about electronic cash registers, for example. They dug in their heels on mechanical devices, and where is the 95% market share they once held in retail? Nonexistant today.
I won't pay a monthly fee, and as a policy, never participate in auto payment plans.
May 06 13 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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GRMACK
Posts: 1,766
Bakersfield, California, US


Read someone else's comments that if you own a current CS version, going to the subscription-based one allows them to deactivate your old CS license too?  You won't be able to get it to work ever again since it was deactivated on moving to the newer cloud one?

Anyone with a current subscription know for sure?

Stinks if that is their strategy.
May 06 13 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Vincent_L
Posts: 60
Los Angeles, California, US


GRMACK wrote:
Whole thing smells of Adobe greed.

The subscription model is fantastic for software companies. Traditionally they had to work hard to come up with useful new features, every few years, to entice people to upgrade. Now they don't have to do anything at all to earn their money. You are required to pay them every month whether they innovate or not. Sure, you can make the argument that competition may force them to innovate. However, Adobe Creative Suite (and Microsoft Office, also moving to the subscription model) have people and organizations that are heavily invested in their workflow. Changing platforms would not be easy.

May 06 13 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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salvatori.
Posts: 3,751
State College, Pennsylvania, US


Thanks to all for the explanations. I don't say this as a smart-ass but as a guy wondering about the perception of the need to upgrade.

I only use PS for black & white stuff (I scan film negs) but I am still using my Photoshop Version % which I bought in 1998.

I run Windows XP and everything works just ducky.
May 06 13 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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fullmetalphotographer
Posts: 2,739
Fresno, California, US


If Apple got serious or any major company they could make a software to rival photoshop, because now they don't need to better just affordable and available, as photoshop moves to the cloud.
May 06 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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NC Art Photos
Posts: 566
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


Vincent_L wrote:
So much for the carrot and stick model for getting people to migrate to Creative Cloud. Now it's mandatory.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/adobe- … pped-boxes

Just not worth it for me.  I purchased some sort of CS4 package back in late 2008. I've been using it now for 4.5 years.  But since I have really only used Photoshop, Bridge and Acrobat, the Suite was just not worth it - but I thought I would use it.

At $30 a month - that's $360 a year - and would have cost me $1620 by now.  It's just not worth it for me - and especially if I have to be connected to the Net to use it.  What happens if I need to work out in the boonies and I cannot hook up to the Net?

May 06 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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John David Studio
Posts: 1,723
Fort Myers, Florida, US


I have read many of the comments here and will weigh in my opinion.  For $50 per month I can get the entire creative suite for my computer (MAC) and I always have the latest and greatest versions.  I started with CS3 and Lightroom on the PC as my initial investment.  Think about the oddball expenses you spend money on during the month for trivial things and then you realize what a bargain this is.  Software has a life like everything else.  I'm sure there are still a few ms-dos users out there somewhere.  In the new society you are reliant on someone else or a company to provide the goods and services you desire. 

When I decided to switch to the MAC I decided to try this route instead of switching my licenses to the MAC.  All of your applications reside on the local PC and run fine.  Having this option has allowed me to work with the other applications, expand my knowledge and offer my clients solutions I didn't previously have.

If you're a hobbyist I suppose this cost may seem expensive if you are only using one or two applications.  If you are a working professional I think this is a great value and allows me to have the best tools for a moderate monthly investment.   I've written software in  my earlier life and know the skill set that is required to do this.  For those of you that want everything for free you can use GIMP and learn to write your own code to do the things you want.
May 06 13 01:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25,351
Portland, Oregon, US


My guess is that Adobe figures if people don't like it they can just go use their feet in protest and use their competitor's product.


Are there any actual alternatives to PS?
May 06 13 01:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gerrit du Toit
Posts: 732
Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa


Most interesting, Considering that the average income in South Africa where I live is $300, its not a Small expense. Also taking into consideration that a 1meg internet connection is the exception, and many many of the people that actually do have internet, sit with a 386K line, The cloud is not so attractive.

So maybe its a great idea, but they will lose most of this continent. Might be small to them, who knows. But for me it sucks. CS6 forever seems to be my future
May 06 13 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,861
Santa Ana, California, US


I have mixed feelings. It may be cost effective for those moving to motion for instance.

I did notice this, which addresses some of the comments:

http://terrywhite.com/5-myths-about-ado … ive-cloud/
May 06 13 01:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton
Posts: 6,371
Dallas, Texas, US


Seriously - if Adobe goes through with this, and stays with it - I am DONE with Adobe! 

They make many of the top softwares for several categories: photo editing/retouching, desktop publishing and webpage design to name a few...but they are NOT the most user-friendly softwares as it is (not to mention that their stuff is relatively expensive).

You can talk about web security all you want, but I will never trust the internet to do all my creative work on...there are ALWAYS ways to hack stuff!
May 06 13 01:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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KMP
Posts: 4,716
Houston, Texas, US


Write your feelings on the Adobe FB page..
If you're pissed off, you're not alone..

https://www.facebook.com/Adobe
May 06 13 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


salvatori. wrote:
Just curious, but is upgrading necessary? I mean, can you keep using the current version without the internet?

If so, don't buy the upgrade, unless there is a significant difference with upgraded features (which isn't likely).

Sure.. until you buy a new camera of course..

May 06 13 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brian Scanlon
Posts: 789
Encino, California, US


Marin Photography wrote:
I only use PS and camera raw, the other features for me would be a waste.

You can subscribe to just Photoshop if you want.  It is something like $20 a month.

May 06 13 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,134
San Francisco, California, US


GRMACK wrote:
Read someone else's comments that if you own a current CS version, going to the subscription-based one allows them to deactivate your old CS license too?  You won't be able to get it to work ever again since it was deactivated on moving to the newer cloud one?

Anyone with a current subscription know for sure?

Stinks if that is their strategy.

I am a Cloud user and I love it.  I will continue.  It has been great.  As for my old CS 4 Master Collection, it still works just fine.

May 06 13 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,034
Portland, Oregon, US


I've been a Paintshop Pro user since the early days.  I looked at Photoshop once, but I didn't like its user interface, so I stuck with PSP.  So, I don't care, really.

It's a bold move, committing to subscription software distribution, but I don't think the world is ready for it:

...  The Internet isn't as pervasive as you might think.
...  Some people, including me, like to be disconnected from the Internet, for privacy reasons.
...  I would question the performance impact of using cloud vs. local applications.
...  As people here have pointed out, their pricing is, umm, aggressive.

To me, this is a bigger move than Microsoft's Windows 8.


A while back, I worked for a Fortune 50 company.  After a massive & unpopular reorganization, one a-hole upper manager told the people complaining "If you don't like it, vote with your feet".  Many did, and the a-hole manager was shown the door.

So, what are the alternatives to Adobe products?  I'm not knowledgeable, but I'm happy enough with PSP (which, by the way, accepts PS plugins).  What are the others?


BTW:  The news doesn't appear to have impacted Adobe's stock price.
May 06 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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C A Bridges
Posts: 155
Orange City, Florida, US


From what I can tell from the CS site and the FAQ page:

- You download the apps from them, but after that you don't have to be connected to work and your files can be saved locally. You do have to connect at least once a month so they can verify you're paid up.
- You don't have to remove your old apps. "For example, you can install and use both Photoshop CS6 and Photoshop CC on the same computer."
- Monthly and annual rates are both there.
- Lightroom isn't in the CC package and will continue to be separate.
- You can use the apps on up to 2 computers, and they don't have to be the same make (one can be Mac, one can be PC if you want). And you can sync preferences across your machines.
- You get the latest versions, with new updates whenever they finish them. No more 18-month update cycle.
- You don't have to accept new updates if you don't want them. They're not pushed on you.
- CC apps should still be able to export to CS apps.
- However, some people have reported problems with authenticating that resulted in hours or days lost without a working PS while they dealt with customer support.

No idea what I'll be doing. My PS5 does what I need it to do and I don't have a burning need to upgrade that often, so it simply may not be cost effective for me. $240/year is way more than $200 upgrades every two years.

My buddy the designer absolutely loves it,  but he uses many more apps than I do.
May 06 13 01:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Smedley Whiplash
Posts: 17,279
Billings, Montana, US


-The Dave- wrote:
So on location without internet you can't use Photoshop?

No, I think it just verifies your current subscription once a month.  (like paying your cable bill, or phone bill)  Once it shows that the time has run out, the program probably doesn't run, or maybe you can't use the "save" features.

May 06 13 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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