Forums > Photography Talk > Adobe Abandons Photoshop CS7

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Peter Claver

Posts: 27130

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Alot of misinformation and misunderstanding here.


1) it's not online software or photos.  Your photos and software stay on your computer all the time just like before
2) you don't need to be online to use the software.  You do need to be online when your monthly license expires, however, so that it can re-acquire it.  Hopefully they allow longer licenses so you don't need to worry about it as often
3) The whole suite is $50/month.  A single app is $20
4) if you have CS3 or above you can get whole suite for the first year for $40/month or a single app for $10.  If you have CS6 you get the whole suite for the first year for $20/month


Is everyone gonna be happy about this? Obviously not.  But at least be unhappy for the right reasons.

May 06 13 01:38 pm Link

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Vincent_L

Posts: 60

Los Angeles, California, US

John Allan wrote:
I have mixed feelings. It may be cost effective for those moving to motion for instance.

I did notice this, which addresses some of the comments:

http://terrywhite.com/5-myths-about-ado … ive-cloud/

Correct, with Creative Cloud, you download the entire app to your computer. Videographers and photographers cannot upload gigabytes of data to a remote server. Thus Adobe cannot implement a standard cloud model where everything, data and apps, run remotely. The only thing that is different about the cloud model is the pricing. The Creative Cloud apps are required to phone home once a month. Photoshop CS6 phones home every time it's launched. That's exactly why comments such as the following are complete BS.

"Adobe says it will continue to support CS6 but will not be replacing it. This allows it to focus its efforts on a single line of products, rather than trying to support both, in tandem."

Given that Creative Cloud apps run locally on your computer Adobe would not be spending tons of time supporting two different product lines. CS7 and Creative Cloud would differ only in the pricing model. The CC model will not prevent piracy as Photoshop CC will likely be pirated. Adobe is only punishing their honest paying customers and motivating them to embrace piracy.

May 06 13 01:40 pm Link

Photographer

Fashion Beauty Photo

Posts: 954

Lansing, Michigan, US

With three of us here using Creative Suite apps and the fees going up to $70/per USER next year, this means we would be paying $210/month (i.e. $2,520/per year)! Seriously? After using Photoshop for 22 years (since the very first version in 1991), this is the first time I have ever considered looking for an alternative.

If the license was multi-user (3-5 users) for $50-$75/mo it would be one thing. But, those fees per user will be a killer for many small creative businesses in the midst of a still sluggish economy. And, what about overseas users? 

Meanwhile, we pay just $10/mo for a five-user license to Microsoft Office Pro 365. I didn't hesitate subscribing as soon as the public Beta ended.

Maybe it's time for Microsoft to launch a competing product. Or Google.

May 06 13 01:42 pm Link

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C A Bridges

Posts: 200

Orange City, Florida, US

There's a 7-day grace period for authentication, so if you're a day late you won't be cut off. If you're away from the Internet for a month at a time, might be a problem (and this happens with some remote jobs).

May 06 13 01:43 pm Link

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C A Bridges

Posts: 200

Orange City, Florida, US

Not a lot of happy people at the Adobe Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Adobe

One user pointed out one big problem: Creative Suite isn't available for every country.

May 06 13 01:46 pm Link

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Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28653

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Gary Melton wrote:
Seriously - if Adobe goes through with this, and stays with it - I am DONE with Adobe! 

They make many of the top softwares for several categories: photo editing/retouching, desktop publishing and webpage design to name a few...but they are NOT the most user-friendly softwares as it is (not to mention that their stuff is relatively expensive).

You can talk about web security all you want, but I will never trust the internet to do all my creative work on...there are ALWAYS ways to hack stuff!

This is an interesting thought. Suppose you're working on nude photos for a client or model where you've agreed that the images are for their use only. Adobe gets hacked. Who's liable?

May 06 13 01:48 pm Link

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Joshies Photography

Posts: 285

Belfry, Kentucky, US

I still have Photoshop CS3 and that's what I will stick with, although recently I bought lightroom 4.4 due to the needs for photography works. But that's all I am sticking with, not planning on to upgrade PS or LR when there's upgradable for LR. Sure every new version in PS and LR may have more and better features but there's always a way to get around it with the current features in the old version.

May 06 13 01:53 pm Link

Photographer

E H

Posts: 847

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

The Adobe patches soon will carry new problems will pop up that cant be fix unless you cloud,,, pay the monthly cloud or else.... sad

May 06 13 01:54 pm Link

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C A Bridges

Posts: 200

Orange City, Florida, US

Also won't support older versions so no new camera configurations, no new RAW settings...

Photoshop is easily one of the most pirated apps ever, I can't blame Adobe for wanting to do something. But the price to me seems high for what you get.

May 06 13 01:57 pm Link

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J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

I think it only makes sense if you're really going to use multiple applications in their suite.

For instance, Premier Pro. Is it even the leading professional video app? Or is it more likely to be something from Avid for instance?

And maybe they're also trying to salvage technologies like Flash. Also, trying to push some of their other floundering Macromedia acquired products.

May 06 13 02:04 pm Link

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JAE

Posts: 2207

West Chester, Pennsylvania, US

I don't think it is all that horrible.  All I need is PS (since LR is still a stand alone product).  $20 a month isn't that much.  I still think having options is better and I will milk CS6 as long as I can...

May 06 13 02:07 pm Link

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WMcK

Posts: 5298

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

Vincent_L wrote:

You will eventually require updates to Photoshop even if you don't want new features. If you ever plan to buy the latest camera you will need Adobe to update ACR to support it. You can probably use a third party RAW converter but it's not a clean workflow.

Get Capture One and let Adobe sink in the mire of their own greed they are creating.

May 06 13 02:08 pm Link

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Kenoe Foto

Posts: 77

Los Angeles, California, US

This may work in the US, Western Europe, and other technologically developed countries where internet access isn't a problem. But what happens when that National Geographic photographer is shooting an assignment in the Namibian desert where there's no human settlement for hundred's of miles let alone internet service and needs to get his images in for publication?

May 06 13 02:10 pm Link

Photographer

Creative Concept Studio

Posts: 2704

Fort Worth, Texas, US

I guess PS CS 6'll be my last PS version. $50/month for the 1 program I use isn't gonna work for me.

Wait. Adobe Creative Suite only right? Any thing about Acrobat?

May 06 13 02:10 pm Link

Photographer

Vincent_L

Posts: 60

Los Angeles, California, US

WMcK wrote:

Get Capture One and let Adobe sink in the mire of their own greed they are creating.

I've recently been trying DXO Optics Pro 8 as a RAW converter because I like the quality of their chroma noise reduction. However, unlike ACR, it doesn't have the ability use a brush to apply exposure compensation. I'm assuming Capture One does not have this feature either.

May 06 13 02:16 pm Link

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E H

Posts: 847

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Just makes me mad because of the price to start with,,, and now they want more,,, like you paid off your house and the bank says now you can pay monthly rent for the rest of your life and ohh the rent will go up yearly. Thought when you buy something it is yours... Not to pay rent on it....

May 06 13 02:16 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

I guess I'll finally get Lightroom...or is that going to the cloud as well?

May 06 13 02:17 pm Link

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Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28653

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I suppose we could all switch to Instagram.

May 06 13 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

JAE

Posts: 2207

West Chester, Pennsylvania, US

Christopher Hartman wrote:
I guess I'll finally get Lightroom...or is that going to the cloud as well?

LR will still be a stand alone product.

May 06 13 02:19 pm Link

Photographer

The Dave

Posts: 8848

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

JAE Photography PA wrote:

LR will still be a stand alone product.

The same was said about Photoshop, just saying...

May 06 13 02:22 pm Link

Photographer

rfordphotos

Posts: 8866

Antioch, California, US

Gary Melton wrote:
[...]You can talk about web security all you want, but I will never trust the internet to do all my creative work on...there are ALWAYS ways to hack stuff!

John Jebbia wrote:
This is an interesting thought. Suppose you're working on nude photos for a client or model where you've agreed that the images are for their use only. Adobe gets hacked. Who's liable?

Your work is as secure as it ever was. The cloud service requires you to log on to the internet once every 30 days to update your license, other than that, the software and your work resides on your computer. You do not need to be connected to the internet (except once every 30 days) to use the software!!!

I use LR, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, After Effects and Audition. I have had full access to those products and even began learning Dreamweaver and Muse for the introductory price since the service began.

At no time did I have any service interruptions, I had all the updates pushed as they became available.

I am sure this wont work for everybody. But it works fine for me.

I do agree that it is going to force some folks to use competing products. As big as Adobe is, I suspect they will survive. I dont believe they are any more or less "greedy" than any other corporate entity trying to get by...

May 06 13 02:24 pm Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
Are there any actual alternatives to PS?

Photobrush has worked for me for over 15 years... free download (for 30 days) at http://www.mediachance.com   Several other fantastic (and very affordable) editing applications there.   Sooooooo glad I never sacrificed my first born child and tossed my life savings into the Adobe moneypit.  Looked like I've saved myself 1000's... borat

And just outta curosity, how many thousands of dollars have some of you 'Photoshop Drumbeaters' spent on PS over the last 12 or so years?... only to get fucked over again by this CS7 joke?   I'd be interested in those figures.  Do some of you guys own stock in Adobe?... lol   In the last 15 plus years, I've spent less than $200 on image editing software, and I've obtained it 'legally'... wink

May 06 13 02:25 pm Link

Photographer

CameraSight

Posts: 1126

Roselle Park, New Jersey, US

ForeverFotos wrote:
I'm still using CS2 and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade it. It's the same for windows, my photoshop computer is still on windows XP. I've had this philosophy with software for years that upgrading just for the sake of upgrading is a waste of money. I've avoided mounds of problems and thousands of headaches by staying with versions that worked just fine.

If if works, why fix it?

I'm still using CS3
However, when I get a new camera model  , there will be no new   camera  Raw  plug ins  so I have to convert  to DNG  to open in Photoshop.

questions to ponder:
a I wonder  if they  will do the  same to Photoshop Elements
b- If Paintshop Pro, Perfect Photo Suite  or even Gimp  will be  more aggressive and  take  the lead  now  for desktop software

May 06 13 02:26 pm Link

Photographer

FredSugar

Posts: 221

Dallas, Texas, US

Wow, well I guess I will be riding out CS6 for a long time!

May 06 13 02:30 pm Link

Photographer

CameraSight

Posts: 1126

Roselle Park, New Jersey, US

I wonder  if  there will be a mad rush  to get CS6 now after this announcement LOL

May 06 13 02:32 pm Link

Photographer

Philipe

Posts: 5302

Pomona, California, US

Adobe and windows are greedy bastards.
Don't be surprise that the next windows after 8
Won't support older photoshop, they may be in cahoots

May 06 13 02:33 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

C A Bridges wrote:
- Lightroom isn't in the CC package and will continue to be separate.

That's weird, I have Creative Cloud and I have Lightroom through it.

May 06 13 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

WMcK

Posts: 5298

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

Select Models wrote:
And just outta curosity, how many thousands of dollars have some of you 'Photoshop Drumbeaters' spent on PS over the last 12 or so years?

I'm too scared to work it out!

May 06 13 02:34 pm Link

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Motordrive Photography

Posts: 7086

Lodi, California, US

JAE Photography PA wrote:

LR will still be a stand alone product.

for now.
I'm not too surprised, but they've sort of forced my hand, I was planning to skip CS6. Hopefully they will keep DNG updates available.

May 06 13 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

Digitoxin

Posts: 13456

Denver, Colorado, US

This will be the beginning of the end of my use of adobe products. 

I currently use PS less and less.  I have CS 5.  they are effin nuts.  If they want to include LR in this cloud crap, I will move to aperture or CaptureOne in a heartbeat.

New Coke anyone?

May 06 13 02:35 pm Link

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JAE

Posts: 2207

West Chester, Pennsylvania, US

-The Dave- wrote:

The same was said about Photoshop, just saying...

Agreed.  Just stating the facts for now.  I can see if changing sometime in the future smile

May 06 13 02:38 pm Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

WMcK wrote:

I'm too scared to work it out!

LOL... and I'm sure there's loads of other 'scared shitless' guys in here also... lol

May 06 13 02:38 pm Link

Photographer

Ruben Sanchez

Posts: 3570

San Antonio, Texas, US

Time for other companies to start making editing software.  Adobe will not force the public into buying it's services.

May 06 13 02:41 pm Link

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Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28653

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Those of you talking about jumping ship to a new product... Who has time to go out and learn new software?

May 06 13 02:50 pm Link

Photographer

glofoto

Posts: 254

Nashville, Tennessee, US

JAE Photography PA wrote:
$20 a month isn't that much.

$20 a month FOREVER, and once you stop paying the $20 a month, you no longer have the software.  That will really add up over time.

I've upgraded every year, and this is double what it has cost me in photoshop upgrade costs.

Upgrades cost me about $125 a year, so this is twice as much.

May 06 13 02:54 pm Link

Photographer

Gulag

Posts: 1253

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Just downloaded GIMP and I guess I will be using the combo of C1 and GIMP. Thank you for your GREED, Adobe.

May 06 13 02:56 pm Link

Photographer

KMP

Posts: 4834

Houston, Texas, US

-The Dave- wrote:
So on location without internet you can't use Photoshop?

No. you download the programs to your computer. You have to log on once a month to update the subscription but you do not have to be online to edit.  HELL I work with files over a GB it'd take me forever to work on files if they were only online. 

I have the subscription and I Love it BUT it's good for me and should not be pushed down people's throats.

May 06 13 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

John Jebbia wrote:
Those of you talking about jumping ship to a new product... Who has time to go out and learn new software?

Hey John... try Photobrush 5.0... one of the most user friendly editing applications out there... with many 'one click image fixes'.  I've been using it for several years.  Free download (for 30 days) at http://www.mediachance.com

May 06 13 03:01 pm Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Vincent_L wrote:

I've recently been trying DXO Optics Pro 8 as a RAW converter because I like the quality of their chroma noise reduction. However, unlike ACR, it doesn't have the ability use a brush to apply exposure compensation. I'm assuming Capture One does not have this feature either.

Actually, it does.

May 06 13 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

CameraSight

Posts: 1126

Roselle Park, New Jersey, US

KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:
No. you download the programs to your computer. You have to log on once a month to update the subscription but you do not have to be online to edit.  HELL I work with files over a GB it'd take me forever to work on files if they were only online. 

I have the subscription and I Love it BUT it's good for me and should not be pushed down people's throats.

>>.........should not be pushed down people's throats.

May 06 13 03:18 pm Link