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Photographer
Vector One Photography
Posts: 2,618
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


I'm not crazy about being in a cloud in the future so thinking of alternatives.  Anyone use GIMP or GIMPhoto and what were you impressions ?
May 10 13 10:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,843
Santa Cruz, California, US


Isn't CS5 more mature software than GIMP? I don't understand. You own CS5, right?
May 10 13 10:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Koray
Posts: 6,680
Ankara, Ankara, Turkey


how about CS6?
May 10 13 11:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Marcus Christopher
Posts: 72
Vienna, Wien, Austria


GIMP is already an amazing piece of software and I am really trying hard to like it. Again and again, with each new version.
Unfortunately, though, it's really not up to par with Photoshop. They keep promising that once the implementation of GEGL will be finished, GIMP be able to do everything that Photoshop can do. And more.

Who knows... Maybe in a few years? Or decades?
May 11 13 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Everything in my portfolio is done with GIMP, with the exception of Topaz filters (which can be hacked with GIMP but run better on Elements). I love it.

I don't use PhotoShop. I do use Elements for the occasional filter but that's all. Clone, heal, dodge, burn, layers, curves, levels, sharpening, all of that is done in GIMP.

I would like it better if it had 16-bit support, which it will soon.  Right now, that is the big holdup and what's keeping it out of the "big leagues" for people who want the best color/image quality. 

For my purposes, 8-bit is okay. If I were printing in glossy magazines, I would probably need the 16.

My current avatar is a good example of a raw file manipulated completely in GIMP. (Highlights blown out a little on purpose.)

Edit: I checked. 29 of my current photos have Topaz Adjust filters ran on them (I love that shit!) the other 46 do not. The new GIMP does not work well with the Topaz hack, so for the last 6 months I've been using an old version of Elements to run that. Save, then immediately re-open in GIMP for retouching.

Anyway, GIMP is wonderful - But not overtly user-friendly and looks very intimidating. My first year trying to learn, not having a clue what layers, curves, cloning, etc. was, was fishing in the dark. There is no hand-holding.
May 11 13 08:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,125
Orlando, Florida, US


I suspect that Adobe will see a huge increase in revenues initally and then a steady dropoff as people find alternatives to their pay-to-play products.

I'm fortunate to have found a nice legal hookup for PSCS6 and PremiereCS6, and see myself being quite happy with these for years to come.  By then, I hope Adobe figures out that people want to buy a license to use a product once, not on an ongoing basis.

I've tried GIMP a few times over the years, but never would take the time to really become proficient with it.  Or maybe it was just disgust that I spent so many years learning to use PS that I didn't care to learn anything else.

It's come a long way, but still has a way to go before I abandon Photoshop for it.
May 11 13 08:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,432
Upland, California, US


Try Photobrush 5.2... free download (for 30 days) at http://www.mediachance.com   Been using it for 10+ years... find it much easier and faster to edit images with than Gimp.  Almost 100 percent of the images on my MM port edited with it... wink
May 11 13 09:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


As a side-note, I downloaded and installed SageBrush today (it's running 50% off, at $40) and simply do not like. Yeah, I'm used to GIMP/Photoshop (same tools in the same places) but it's very drastically different. Even though it has full color support, I can't recommend it. I spent about 30 minutes exploring and found it to be a sheer headache. No layers, by the way. yikes
May 11 13 09:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Also: I've never seen Gimphoto before. Looks nifty. I have seen GimpShop http://www.gimpshop.com/ - I bet these would be a little more useful for users coming in from Photoshop.
May 11 13 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,772
Los Angeles, California, US


Select Models wrote:
Try Photobrush 5.2... free download (for 30 days) at http://www.mediachance.com   Been using it for 10+ years... find it much easier and faster to edit images with than Gimp.  Almost 100 percent of the images on my MM port edited with it... wink

It offers some of the same slew as photoshop elements--it appears. Looks useful. However, I think layers are an important option as are the many photoshop options. I'll stay with the Lightroom and photoshop c5 combo I have. The content-aware provision I may explore soon. I have been experimenting with different looks in photoshop and although Photoshop's recent subscription makes me concerned, as I sloth my way towards total pro, it looks like an acceptable business expense, which I will delay for some time!  I haven't bothered to go Lightroom 4 because 3.6 works for me really well.

Lately, I have experimenting with the colours in curves in photoshop, which I am finding very interesting. In additional things like screen for blending I am involving High Pass in some efforts, and I am slowly learning how to dodge and burn in layers.

I understand the anger and disappointment over Photoshop's decision but as others have pointed out if you can keep your current version of Photoshop going and also, if you have Lightroom, just continue with that, ignoring the whole subscription to hell and back program, and maybe Photoshop will have a financial headache as a lot of people use the program who are not professionals retouchers or photographers with a professional studio. Some of them could get away with Select Model's choice.

May 11 13 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gulag
Posts: 1,222
Duluth, Georgia, US


From what I read on GIMP's site, 16-bit and 32-bit color depth are available in so-called unstable development version 2.9x as we speak, and they will be available in 3.0 release. There is a CMYK plugin that can give you the CMYK color mode in GIMP if you need that. What it doesn't have right now is LAB color mode, Smart Object, Adjustment Layer, Group Search, and some other Photoshop features,  though Adjustment Layer is said to be coming. It seems to me some of us will have to unlearn Photoshop.
May 11 13 10:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Gulag wrote:
From what I read on GIMP's site, 16-bit and 32-bit color depth are available in so-called unstable development version 2.9x as we speak, and they will be available in 3.0 release. There is a CMYK plugin that can give you the CMYK color mode in GIMP if you need that. What it doesn't have right now is LAB color mode, Smart Object, Adjustment Layer, Group Search, and some other Photoshop features,  though Adjustment Layer is said to be coming. It seems to me some of us will have to unlearn Photoshop.

Correct.

I choose to use the latest stable version. Honestly I don't understand the difference between PhotoShop adjustment layers and the ability to add layer masks in GIMP - I don't know, they seem to do the same thing. Create an adjustment layer in GIMP, add a layer mask, paint black and white for opacity. You can create a layer mask with full transparency or opacity and paint from there. I don't use the CMYK plugin but it is available.

May 11 13 11:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


I'm not the official spokesperson for GIMP, but I have used it faithfully for a number of years and am proficient at it. big_smile
May 11 13 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gulag
Posts: 1,222
Duluth, Georgia, US


KonstantKarma wrote:
I choose to use the latest stable version. Honestly I don't understand the difference between PhotoShop adjustment layers and the ability to add layer masks in GIMP - I don't know, they seem to do the same thing. Create an adjustment layer in GIMP, add a layer mask, paint black and white for opacity. You can create a layer mask with full transparency or opacity and paint from there. I don't use the CMYK plugin but it is available.

The difference is mainly in file size if there tons of layers in a file. For example, you can dup a layer and set the copy in screen mode. Alternatively, you can add a blank levels adjustment layer and set it to screen mode. You get the same results from either way but big difference in file size.

May 11 13 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Gulag wrote:

The difference is mainly in file size if there tons of layers in a file. For example, you can dup a layer and set the copy in screen mode. Alternatively, you can add a blank levels adjustment layer and set it to screen mode. You get the same results from either way but big difference in file size.

Gotcha! Thank you for the explanation.

May 11 13 06:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
White Lotus Design
Posts: 25
Miami Beach, Florida, US


I love Gimp! it took watching tutorials on YouTube to help me figure out how to do what, but in the end it is great! A free software that does practically the same thing as PS? why even hesitate to try?
May 14 13 12:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gulag
Posts: 1,222
Duluth, Georgia, US


White Lotus Design wrote:
I love Gimp! it took watching tutorials on YouTube to help me figure out how to do what, but in the end it is great! A free software that does practically the same thing as PS? why even hesitate to try?

GIMP is free, so is Photoshop CS2.

May 14 13 09:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Gulag wrote:

GIMP is free, so is Photoshop CS2.

Well, kind of but not really. They didn't mean to release CS2 for free when they did.

http://www.mobilemag.com/2013/01/14/ado … e-sort-of/

"Adobe then told customers that to legally use the software, they still had to have purchased a valid license beforehand, but the doors to the free downloads and serial keys are still open, and in fact, Adobe have even opened it up wider by turning off the requirement to log into adobe before accessing the page."

I mean, you can torrent anything you want, including CS - I wager there are more stolen versions of PS in use than fully purchased. But technically, GIMP is legally and completely free, with no guilt.

May 14 13 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Joann Empson
Posts: 430
Walnut Creek, California, US


Flickr recently featured artist and photographer, Garth Hill, who uses the GNU Image Manipulation Program.

http://blog.flickr.net/en/2013/05/03/mo … ador-dali/
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7640520696_5a288d3716.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8393116052_ab6619f494.jpg

In the video interview, the artist refers to GIMP as an "online program", which is inaccurate because that would seem to imply that GIMP is "Software as a Service" (SaaS). SaaS denies users the freedom to study how the software works, because it's running on a remote computer that the user has no control over. GIMP runs on the user's own computer and guarantees the user all four of the Four Essential Software Freedoms, giving the user complete control.
May 14 13 01:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bamboo Voodoo
Posts: 20
Pikeville, North Carolina, US


Hey Vector-

I have used Ubuntu Linux for years, which includes GIMP!
Get Ubuntu completely free and legal at
http://www.ubuntu.com/

The few photos I have up at the moment were all shot on film with the negatives scanned by the lab onto CD's. Then tweaked with GIMP

Compared to Windows, you can't beat the price plus Linux is not the virus-prone OS that Windows is-

Kenny
May 14 13 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


I too use Linux as my primary OS.. Linux Mint and Xubuntu.
May 14 13 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Mike Needham Retouching
Posts: 369
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Ugly.

When it becomes the industry standard standard I may look again!

It's not to say that increasing your knowledge of other techniques or programs will diminish your skills, but are you seriously suggesting that  using GIMP other than Photoshop can or will produce the same result? The answer is, I would suggest evident in the tool-set of Photoshop compared to GIMP at the present time of being. In the future this may not be the case, but I will wait for that time.

I am not decrying the use of GIMP, rather promoting Photoshop as the only really viable (at the time of writing) useful tool for Photoshop at this time. By all means get GIMP, but please don't pretend that it is at the moment an alternative for Photoshop. I would consider GIMP alongside plugins, an addition to Photoshop not an alternative.

We all like freedom, but some of us (me) are a little bit sickened by the insinuation that GIMP can provide all the answers currently answered by Photoshop, it/they can't! It's about an as abhorrent debate as who's God is right to an atheist. I use whatever tools get me to result I want.
May 15 13 06:33 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Joann Empson
Posts: 430
Walnut Creek, California, US


KonstantKarma wrote:
I too use Linux as my primary OS.. Linux Mint and Xubuntu.

No North Carolinian loyalty to Red Hat? So it's only in my fantasy that Red Hat has everyone in North Carolina using their flavor of GNU/Linux.

May 15 13 10:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Porsche Jones
Posts: 201
Portsmouth, New Hampshire, US


I use GIMP for all my work.

http://birdhouseimages.tripod.com/webon … inGIMP.jpg

It can't do everything Photoshop can do, but it can do some things Photoshop can't do.  They share a lot of the same tools.
May 15 13 11:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Mike Needham Retouching wrote:
Ugly.

When it becomes the industry standard standard I may look again!

It's not to say that increasing your knowledge of other techniques or programs will diminish your skills, but are you seriously suggesting that  using GIMP other than Photoshop can or will produce the same result? The answer is, I would suggest evident in the tool-set of Photoshop compared to GIMP at the present time of being. In the future this may not be the case, but I will wait for that time.

I am not decrying the use of GIMP, rather promoting Photoshop as the only really viable (at the time of writing) useful tool for Photoshop at this time. By all means get GIMP, but please don't pretend that it is at the moment an alternative for Photoshop. I would consider GIMP alongside plugins, an addition to Photoshop not an alternative.

We all like freedom, but some of us (me) are a little bit sickened by the insinuation that GIMP can provide all the answers currently answered by Photoshop, it/they can't! It's about an as abhorrent debate as who's God is right to an atheist. I use whatever tools get me to result I want.

You're free to your opinion, but it's incorrect. GIMP is a very viable alternative to Adobe's program. Why? The tools are the same. Most of us who use retouching use such tools as dodging, burning, cloning, healing, levels and curves, and layers with the familiar PS layer blending modes. These tools are exactly the same. In fact, they're even in the same place.

While Adobe's product comes with more bells and whistles, such as easy background extraction built-in, the essentials and necessities of retouching for most people are all included in the GIMP.

Joann Empson wrote:

No North Carolinian loyalty to Red Hat? So it's only in my fantasy that Red Hat has everyone in North Carolina is using their flavor of GNU/Linux.

Nope! lol I went with Debian since I grew up on Windows and needed an easier transition.

May 15 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


The best way to learn the GIMP is to take high-quality before and after retouched photos by excellent retouchers, and try to reproduce them in GIMP. Just because the tools are the same doesn't mean results will be the same immediately; Good retouching requires years of practice practice practice.
May 15 13 01:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tyler C Johnson
Posts: 163
San Diego, California, US


I don't use Gimp on a regular basis but I do have a portable copy of it on a 16 gb Memory stick on my key chain! When all else fails, I can turn around a retouch on any computer available with out having to install anything just plug in the stick.
May 17 13 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Marcus Christopher
Posts: 72
Vienna, Wien, Austria


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Tyler[/url] C Johnson] I don't use Gimp on a regular basis but I do have a portable copy of it on a 16 gb Memory stick on my key chain! When all else fails, I can turn around a retouch on any computer available with out having to install anything just plug in the stick.

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I do that regularly, when I go on holidays.

May 17 13 10:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,432
Upland, California, US


Select Models wrote:
Try Photobrush 5.2... free download (for 30 days) at http://www.mediachance.com   Been using it for 10+ years... find it much easier and faster to edit images with than Gimp.  Almost 100 percent of the images on my MM port edited with it... wink
LA StarShooter wrote:
It offers some of the same slew as photoshop elements--it appears. Looks useful.

Very useful... been using Photobrush 5.2 (as well as several of it's previous versions) for well over 15 years.  One hundred percent of the images (almost 400) on my MM port were edited with Photobrush.  I've spent less than $100 on all the upgrades to Photobrush in 15+ years.  How much have you Photoshop guys spent in 15 years?... I'm betting well over $2000... wink

May 17 13 11:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Rafael_Alexander
Posts: 82
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Ive used gimp from time to time.....in past....no complaints
May 17 13 11:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Joann Empson
Posts: 430
Walnut Creek, California, US


Select Models wrote:
I've spent less than $100 on all the upgrades to Photobrush in 15+ years. How much have you Photoshop guys spent in 15 years?... I'm betting well over $2000... wink

Cost is not really an important issue when compared to freedom. The GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) is released under the GNU General Public License, a "copyleft" license that guarantees users the four essential software freedoms. I'd rather pay thousands of dollars to a software developer to add a feature to GIMP for me than pay $100 for a proprietary program that has the feature, but restricts my freedoms.

Without the freedom to use a program for any purpose, you've lost control over your computer.

Without the freedom to study how the program works (at the source code level), it is easy for developers to hide malicious features in the program, like surveillance features.

Without the freedom to share exact copies of the program, you're not allowed to help your neighbors if they want a copy.

Without the freedom to share your modified versions of the program, you're not allowed to share improvements that you've made to the program. For example, you might fix a bug and want to share the bug fix with others.

May 18 13 12:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SKITA Studios
Posts: 1,563
Boston, Massachusetts, US


GIMP for all my work as well.  I miss adjustment layers from Photoshop but they're supposedly coming in GIMP 3.0 (or whenever GEGL gets added).

I like wavelet decompose a lot for skin work...better than Photoshop's frequency separation technique.
May 21 13 01:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


SKITA Studios wrote:
GIMP for all my work as well.  I miss adjustment layers from Photoshop but they're supposedly coming in GIMP 3.0 (or whenever GEGL gets added).

I like wavelet decompose a lot for skin work...better than Photoshop's frequency separation technique.

And you do lovely work.

The limitations of GIMP lie in the individual holding the mouse, not the program itself.

May 21 13 08:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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