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Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


Think it'll ever happen? 

iNikon?   big_smile

Discuss. 

Oh, and if it could never happen, do you think SLR cameras will eventually evolve to be more powerful but to be smaller and less heavy?   That's the one downfall about them is you have to pack up a big camera bag w the body, lenses, batteries, cards, etc.  whereas phones and point and shoots you can stick in your pocket.  But they don't perform like the DSLR big boys.  Yet.  What does the future hold for cameras? 

Nostradamus didn't say, so it's up to MM to solve the mystery.   cool
May 20 13 06:25 am  Link  Quote 
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redbanana
Posts: 775
Lexington, Kentucky, US


Personally as someone who is 6'4 I am not looking forward to smaller cameras. They already don't fit that comfortable in my hands and weight isn't a big issue for me. I like a good sturdy built camera body makes not feel like if I sneeze I might crush the camera. My wife has a NEX and if that's the future of photography ill retire and start playing golf.
May 20 13 06:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,623
New York, New York, US


I read something about this a while ago camera phones vs dslr's  and the phones lost the contest. They say in order to run a "quality sensor" it takes lots of electronics. That is the reason for example a Canon 5D is so big and heavy. You can't fit a sensor like that in a tiny compact little camera or phone. You need all these other devices to run it and keep from over heating, etc. Unless the technology changes on how these sensors operate, I don't see it happening anytime soon. I think that technology is way out there in the future. Apps have eliminated some devices but an app can't make your photo sharp in focus. An app can't make the image quality better. Only a good sensor can do that. Let's not forget how we all value our lenses and why we buy them. I don't see lenses so small that they can out perform a 70-200mm L lens. So that's another part of the equation.

I also don't think camera manufacturers would want it to change. They make way too much money on us buying all their gizmos!

I will say that if it happens (doubtfully) we will all be retired by then if not back to dust...  big_smile
May 20 13 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
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Lee Nutter
Posts: 160
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Rather unlikely, given that SLR stands for single lens reflex, and mirror-less technologies are far more appropriate to the smaller-is-better tendencies that cell phone companies have (quite right, for the most part)

Bigger sensors, yeah, but even mechanical shutters have little to no advantages for a cell phone camera.
May 20 13 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Mortonovich
Posts: 5,234
San Diego, California, US


Here's mine:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/mortophoto/CHP_0328.jpg
May 20 13 06:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Francisco Castro
Posts: 1,649
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


I'm loving the old camera, but the Blackberry has got to go. At the very least, get a Droid.

However, back to the topic at hand, the difference in camera and dslrs can be summed up in 2 things: lens, and sensor.

Lens--- there is no "one lens, fits all situations" lens just yet. Until someone comes up with the math that would enable one lens to do everything to a high degree of quality and sharpness, then we need interchangeable lenses

Sensor: CMOS vs. CCD. CMOS have definitely come a long way to catch up with CCD quality images, but because CMOS sensors require 3 transistors for each pixel, CCD technology allows a higher pixel density. However, CCDs also require a ton more power than CMOS.

Resolve those CMOS issues and camera phones that produce stunning images might just be a few years out.
May 20 13 06:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


ChiMo wrote:
Here's mine:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/mortophoto/CHP_0328.jpg

But how do we get a camera with that much power that we could fit in our pocket?   And go on trips without a whole camera bag or 50 million lenses and a 6352737 pound camera body?  Something sleek, but with super big baws.  cool

May 20 13 06:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


Francisco Castro wrote:
I'm loving the old camera, but the Blackberry has got to go. At the very least, get a Droid.

iDunno.   big_smile


I wish they could invent a camera with the power of a D3 but that I could fit in my pocket.  Omg it'd be badass. 

I mean we went from like the 1970s washing machine size computers to 90s desktops to current sleek flat screen desktops w mini keyboards to even laptops like the Mac Air that are paper thin but very powerful computers.  So couldn't they make nikons and canons that have equal power but are like the size of a smart phone?

May 20 13 06:59 am  Link  Quote 
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ICON Photography
Posts: 164
Houston, Texas, US


i know you are talking SLRs but  the mirror-less Blackmagic camera already a full cine cam comes in a pocket size and canon and pl mount.  as for file handling new vector technology is eventually going to replace jpgs making the image much smaller and easier to processes
May 20 13 07:00 am  Link  Quote 
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redbanana
Posts: 775
Lexington, Kentucky, US


Get a NEX? Or any of the others like it. My wife's NEX can upload right to Facebook.
May 20 13 07:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


ICON Photography wrote:
i know you are talking SLRs but  the mirror-less Blackmagic camera already a full cine cam comes in a pocket size and canon and pl mount.  as for file handling new vector technology is eventually going to replace jpgs making the image much smaller and easier to processes

So future pro cameras would have a whole different type of technology than SLR?   Like maybe they'd change the fact that they work via mirrors or something and use a different method that packs more power in a smaller machine?

May 20 13 07:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


Photosbycj wrote:
Get a NEX? Or any of the others like it. My wife's NEX can upload right to Facebook.

Well I have a Fujifilm point and shoot that I bought originally specifically for deep water and surface water shooting bc it's actually pretty good.  Also shoots HD, video, and any other extreme or shaky type outdoor conditions.  It's a good little camera, but my Nikons def win hands down haha.  But when traveling and stuff, it's a lot more to lug around.  ESP with all the lenses.  And I always pack all my lenses just in case because I don't know which I'll use till the moment happens.   big_smile

But the Fuji is exactly the size of my iPhone.  I was like hmmmm that'd be awesome if they could make a Nikon but like mini size with the same power!   big_smile

May 20 13 07:08 am  Link  Quote 
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,849
Albany, New York, US


If you were to ask me back in 1996, if a vast majority of people here in America would have had a tiny phone in their pockets that could also have the technical capability to take good pictures, I would have told you not a chance.

Hell in fact, I DID say back in 1995 that music technology would always be produced through physical means (like in a specific studio or at least recorded through tape decks or reels or whatever). Barely anyone ever does that anymore unless they set out to make that specifically retro sound.

So it just goes to show you that things like technology can change in a big hurry.
May 20 13 07:13 am  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,522
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:

iDunno.   big_smile


I wish they could invent a camera with the power of a D3 but that I could fit in my pocket.  Omg it'd be badass. 

I mean we went from like the 1970s washing machine size computers to 90s desktops to current sleek flat screen desktops w mini keyboards to even laptops like the Mac Air that are paper thin but very powerful computers.  So couldn't they make nikons and canons that have equal power but are like the size of a smart phone?

because glass is glass.  a 50mm lens is going to be "that" long.  and if its 2.8 glass its going to be 'this' wide. and the sensors in phones got bigger over the years, not smaller.  phones can and will get bigger. cameras have their limits. yes you can make the sensors smaller and use smaller glass to get the same image size.  but then you are entering the KWALITY zone.

May 20 13 07:53 am  Link  Quote 
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The Spaces Between
Posts: 681
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


the current trend is to make cameras better and with improving abilities, rather than focus on smaller.  I think i'd prefer the way it is now. 

Smaller customers can buy phones with cameras.  I suppose you can get similar quality photos from compact digital cameras now as was the first DSLRs, if that's the trade off you want..
May 20 13 08:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Ezhini
Posts: 1,590
Wichita, Kansas, US


Time will tell.

Then, Ansel Adams carried a lot!
Now, we dont need to carry as much as he did.
In the future, who knows!
May 20 13 08:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Matt Knowles
Posts: 3,551
Ferndale, California, US


It is a lot easier making electronics smaller and smaller each year than it is changing the laws of physics that govern how light is bent through a lens.
May 20 13 09:15 am  Link  Quote 
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NYB
Posts: 845
Albany, New York, US


I just got a Samsung Galaxy S4 and the camera has 13 megapixels. The detail is pretty amazing on these photos.

In another few years, I'm sure they will have 20-30 megapixels on a phone.
May 20 13 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Will Snizek Photography
Posts: 1,387
Beckley, West Virginia, US


It wouldn't surprise me.  Sensors on cell phones are getting bigger.  My cell phone has a 13MP camera that takes decent photos.  I already have a pocket camera that shoots in manual and does everything a SLR can, so this isn't outside the realm of possibility.  A quality phone/slr would be extremely expensive though.. with today's tech prices, I'd guess at least a thousand dollars or more.
May 20 13 09:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Francisco Castro
Posts: 1,649
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


Anyone heard of Moore's Law as it pertains to computational hardware? It states that there is a doubling in the hardware performance every 18 months. It was back in the 1960s that the idea was first introduced, but it's proven to be eerily accurate.

The same can be applied to digital cameras. It won't be long before camera phones will have sensors in the 20-30 MP range.

However, pixel number isn't all there is to a good image.

Besides, by the time a 1/8" square sensor can take 20-30 MP, full size sensors would have also evolved to the point that they are taking images in the 60-80 MP range, with less noise because the sensors don't have to be so close to each other.

You really shouldn't compare a cell phone from 5 years in the future with a DSLR of today. Compare it with a DSLR from 5 years as well.
May 21 13 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
Think it'll ever happen? 

iNikon?   big_smile

Discuss. 

Oh, and if it could never happen, do you think SLR cameras will eventually evolve to be more powerful but to be smaller and less heavy?   That's the one downfall about them is you have to pack up a big camera bag w the body, lenses, batteries, cards, etc.  whereas phones and point and shoots you can stick in your pocket.  But they don't perform like the DSLR big boys.  Yet.  What does the future hold for cameras? 

Nostradamus didn't say, so it's up to MM to solve the mystery.   cool

I'm not clear how you're defining SLR, but that's pretty much already happened.

The iPhone is already a camera and phone. The Sony NEX has wifi built in - it doesn't make sense to use 3G phone technology for the file sizes when you have wifi - and that's going to become even more prevalent.

There are already cameras with photoshop built in (iPad).

As far as DSLRs continuing to exist, they definitely will not. There may be cameras that are the same size, but they will be mirrorless with electronic viewfinders.

First, we'll get onboard post processing. After that we'll have real time post processing where you will see the preset or custom settings live as you look through the viewfinder. That means not using a mirror, and thus no more SLR.

May 21 13 08:46 am  Link  Quote 
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fullmetalphotographer
Posts: 2,672
Fresno, California, US


Why would I want to ruin something I enjoy by adding a phone.
May 21 13 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 9,075
Brooklyn, New York, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
But they don't perform like the DSLR big boys.

SIZE matters!!!
You should know this
hienvy

May 21 13 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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