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Michael Populus
Posts: 41
Hammond, Louisiana, US


I have been looking for a good fabric backdrop to shoot on but they all see senior portraitish. I want something like this

https://models.com/i/db/2009/12/15150/15150-800w.jpg

http://www.highsnobette.com/news/wp-con … Edit-1.jpg

I figure thats enough idea of what im talking about, but pretty much the same thing you see in vogue and vanity fair portraits when they work on fabric?

Anyone have any ideas where to get that? All i have seen is stuff like this 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261097634508
May 20 13 08:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jute of Memphis
Posts: 27
Memphis, Tennessee, US


From what I can see.. It looks like painted canvas.
May 20 13 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Populus
Posts: 41
Hammond, Louisiana, US


Yeah, i figured as much, but everytime i type that in it comes up with these over style backgrounds. Like clouds and stuff. I just want clean fabric like that. I found one place but they were like 4000 dollars hahah
May 20 13 08:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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B L O P H O T O
Posts: 472
Chicago, Illinois, US


www.backdropoutlet.com and www.fotodiox.com are a couple of choices.
May 20 13 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jack Dog Studio
Posts: 352
Greenwich, Connecticut, US


I have a similar continuing quest.   The sources that have what I want only rent.  Or cost to purchase is only for a very high production budget.

I've found the solution to be "make it yourself."  Check the DYI example in my port.  Bottom row, left column "flash dance" girl.  I've used the backdrop for many many shoots.  I got tired of the look, so I made another. And another. 

Yes...you can do it.  Just try to reverse engineer the backdrops you lust after.
May 20 13 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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B L O P H O T O
Posts: 472
Chicago, Illinois, US


Jack Dog Studio wrote:
I have a similar continuing quest.   The sources that have what I want only rent.  Or cost to purchase is only for a very high production budget.

I've found the solution to be "make it yourself."  Check the DYI example in my port.  Bottom row, left column "flash dance" girl.  I've used the backdrop for many many shoots.  I got tired of the look, so I made another. And another. 

Yes...you can do it.  Just try to reverse engineer the backdrops you lust after.

+1

May 20 13 08:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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OTSOG
Posts: 141
Benicia, California, US


It looks like well-used Duvetyne to me.

http://m.filmtools.com/du60exb.html
May 20 13 08:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Populus
Posts: 41
Hammond, Louisiana, US


So you think buy something like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-20-Canvas- … 231d17dc9e

and then just treat it myself?

I think my think is i just want straight off white canvas, so this may actually be a good choice.
May 20 13 08:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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OTSOG
Posts: 141
Benicia, California, US


Michael Populus wrote:
So you think buy something like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-20-Canvas- … 231d17dc9e

and then just treat it myself?

I'd expect that to have one or more seams.

May 20 13 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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sara kiesling
Posts: 124
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I definitely agree with the people who said to make it yourself.  It's super easy (and cheap)!  http://www.elenajasic.com/blog/2013/03/ … ackground/

http://www.elenajasic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Page2.jpg
May 20 13 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Populus
Posts: 41
Hammond, Louisiana, US


DIY it is hhahaha, Thank you guys!
May 20 13 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R80
Posts: 2,567
Marceline, Missouri, US


The last post which was an ebay listing was by Chicago Canvas.  I used to order a bit from them a few years back because they sell about any size canvas you want.  The one posted seems awfully cheap for a 10 X 20 foot, but at that cost, it would save you a heap of cash (if it lasts).

I've had great dealings with Chicago Canvas and still have two frames I use to make my own canvas backgrounds.  Just remember you want to stick primarily to latex paint, preferably a flatter finish.  Staple the edges down good all around before applying your base coat.  I guess you could try dying it if it's a lighter canvas but I haven't tried that, only muslin.

CC had other colors besides white, off white so follow their link on the ebay listing and have a look around first.  Caution: making your own canvas backgrounds is extremely addictive.

Another route is to check with fabric stores/suppliers as some carry bolts of materials up to 108 - 112" wide on occasion.
May 20 13 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheScarletLetterSeries
Posts: 3,438
Carmel, California, US


imho, cheap backdrops always look cheap.  Unless you're a master painter/artist with experience in designing and producing large photographic backdrops, you're better off investing rather than trying to do it yourself.  Unless that's the look you are after.

Invest in a good backdrop and it will last for years.  It photographs well.

These are companies that offer backdrops similar to the look you're after:

www.schmidli.com
www.oliphantstudio.com
www.barbourbackdrops.com

ken
May 20 13 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Populus
Posts: 41
Hammond, Louisiana, US


Yeah, the first link is EXACTLY what i want, but i dont see prices, i only see links to places where they are located for renting i assume. The link sara posted shows a dropcloth which is really only around 30 dollars so it cant hurt to try that route and if it doesnt work start saving to invest
May 20 13 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Populus
Posts: 41
Hammond, Louisiana, US


Yeah, the first link is EXACTLY what i want, but i dont see prices, i only see links to places where they are located for renting i assume. The link sara posted shows a dropcloth which is really only around 30 dollars so it cant hurt to try that route and if it doesnt work start saving to invest
May 20 13 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dan Howell Tearsheets
Posts: 572
Jersey City, New Jersey, US


TheScarletLetterSeries wrote:
www.oliphantstudio.com

Oliphant Studio is actually my next door neighbor at my studio. I use their backdrops frequently. I often see them working on custom pieces for photographers like Annie Liebowitz or Patrick Demarchalier and set pieces for tv, Broadway and fashion shows. I don't know their rates for custom work.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120831/16/50414fc7b43f4_m.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120612/16/4fd7d57f5362b_m.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110925/06/4e7f2c083c9fe_m.jpg

Coincidentally, another backdrop painter in NYC recently sold off her rental stock and I bought 8 hand-painted canvas and muslin backdrops similar to what the OP is looking for. I also own several Backdrop Outlet drops. There is a lot of cheezy portrait studio crap on their website, but if you poke thru enough there are many worth a look.

May 21 13 05:05 am  Link  Quote 
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TheScarletLetterSeries
Posts: 3,438
Carmel, California, US


Another option----call David Maheu.  He will/can paint a custom backdrop for you.

http://www.backgroundsbymaheu.com/

Like the sites listed above (Schmidli, Oliphant), it's not inexpensive, but the quality of materials used and workmanship is worthwhile.

ken
May 21 13 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Gulag
Posts: 1,233
Duluth, Georgia, US


I have seen this type of background used consistently in Annie Leibovitz's work but just can't figure out what exactly it is. I will appreciate if you can help me to identify it.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7307/8769972082_0cdc98d2d0_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/7954131838_0bb484747b_z.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/8770240710_de1f371a87_z.jpg
May 21 13 08:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


sara kiesling wrote:
I definitely agree with the people who said to make it yourself.  It's super easy (and cheap)!  http://www.elenajasic.com/blog/2013/03/ … ackground/

http://www.elenajasic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Page2.jpg

Those backgrounds look great with the exception of the light running down the right side of the left image.



I would love to find one of Irving Penn's old backdrops and hang it on my wall as both a piece of art and for function.

May 21 13 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
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joeyk
Posts: 14,651
Seminole, Florida, US


Jute of Memphis wrote:
From what I can see.. It looks like painted canvas.

It's most likely muslin, not canvas...

May 21 13 09:09 am  Link  Quote 
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joeyk
Posts: 14,651
Seminole, Florida, US


Gulag wrote:
I have seen this type of background used consistently in Annie Leibovitz's work but just can't figure out what exactly it is. I will appreciate if you can help me to identify it.

That's canvas on a roll, in the last shot look above her head and to our left...

May 21 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Michael Populus wrote:
So you think buy something like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-20-Canvas- … 231d17dc9e

and then just treat it myself?

I think my think is i just want straight off white canvas, so this may actually be a good choice.

I bought a 10x20 muslin from the set shop. I regret getting the 20 and if I were doing it again would go for 10x15. It's much easier to manage.

May 21 13 09:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Laurence Moan
Posts: 7,700
Huntington Beach, California, US


Gulag wrote:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/8770240710_de1f371a87_z.jpg

Cool pic.

I have this background. Sort of.

Mine's a Honda Odyssey. And instead of the LV case I've got a rolling computer duffle case from Staples. Approximate value: $35

cool

May 21 13 09:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Gulag
Posts: 1,233
Duluth, Georgia, US


joeyk wrote:
That's canvas on a roll, in the last shot look above her head and to our left...

Thanks. But, it doesn't look like those kinds that painters normally use. Any idea where I can find it?

Laurence Moan wrote:
Cool pic.

I have this background. Sort of.

Mine's a Honda Odyssey. And instead of the LV case I've got a rolling computer duffle case from Staples. Approximate value: $35

cool

Looks like that's her camera bag. High-end shooters use LV camera bags? That makes me totally unwashed.

May 21 13 10:39 am  Link  Quote 
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R80
Posts: 2,567
Marceline, Missouri, US


Michael Populus wrote:
Yeah, the first link is EXACTLY what i want, but i dont see prices, i only see links to places where they are located for renting i assume. The link sara posted shows a dropcloth which is really only around 30 dollars so it cant hurt to try that route and if it doesnt work start saving to invest

Upper left of their home page (at about 11 o'clock) you'll see a box for canvas.  Click on that for which type you want and you'll see their prices per running yard. 

Example: #12 natural canvas 11.5 oz for a 10' width is 15.95.  If you wanted 18'X10' it would be 6X15.95/$95.70.

May 22 13 09:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Right Poes
Posts: 859
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


May 23 13 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Teila K Day Photography
Posts: 1,930
Richmond, Indiana, US


Michael Populus wrote:
I have been looking for a good fabric backdrop to shoot on but they all see senior portraitish. I want something like this

https://models.com/i/db/2009/12/15150/15150-800w.jpg

http://www.highsnobette.com/news/wp-con … Edit-1.jpg

I figure thats enough idea of what im talking about, but pretty much the same thing you see in vogue and vanity fair portraits when they work on fabric?

Anyone have any ideas where to get that? All i have seen is stuff like this 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261097634508

STEVE KAESER BACKGROUNDS
1358 Tower Square #4
Ventura, CA 93003
United States

Web site: www.skaeser.com

Email:     skaeser@west.net

Phone:     800-495-8148

A large painted 12 x 18 foot painted muslin, 100% cotton was $240 back in 2006 or so.

  ** I just breezed through the web site, but didn't see any of the special hand painted heavy duty muslin stuff.  Give them a call and see if they still offer such.
I am VERY satisfied with the products that we got from them though I'm beginning to think the hand painted stuff is no longer being offered.

Here's what I'd recommend.  Go to The Home Depot, Walmart or Lowes... get a large canvas for cheap.  Get some paint, (e.g. various colours of brown and yellow) and hand paint your own custom background whether it be canvas or other substrate.  It's just too easy to do.

I never wash our painted muslins and I use a large Jiffy steamer to get the wrinkles out when I need to.  Steamers are worth gold as far as I'm concerned!  It takes less than 10min of steaming to get a horribly wrinkled 12 x 18 foot canvas smooth.

Good luck!

May 23 13 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gavin Poh
Posts: 229
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Michael Populus wrote:
I have been looking for a good fabric backdrop to shoot on but they all see senior portraitish. I want something like this

https://models.com/i/db/2009/12/15150/15150-800w.jpg

http://www.highsnobette.com/news/wp-con … Edit-1.jpg

I figure thats enough idea of what im talking about, but pretty much the same thing you see in vogue and vanity fair portraits when they work on fabric?

Anyone have any ideas where to get that? All i have seen is stuff like this 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261097634508

Its actually just a camping tarpolen. Ive been in a studio workshop that had this and i thought it was a special photography background but no.. its simply an old camping tarp with waxed layer which waterproofs the material. After some age (wear and tear), the wax creates "visible cracks" in the wax layer.
Its probably available at your local army disposals. Ive seen it in Kaki green, grey or black. Much cheaper than a roll of Muslin.. seems like anything made specifically for "Photography" attracts a 300% increase in price.

May 23 13 08:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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DANACOLE
Posts: 10,157
Oslo, Oslo, Norway


Dan Howell Tearsheets wrote:

Oliphant Studio is actually my next door neighbor at my studio. I use their backdrops frequently. I often see them working on custom pieces for photographers like Annie Liebowitz or Patrick Demarchalier and set pieces for tv, Broadway and fashion shows. I don't know their rates for custom work.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120831/16/50414fc7b43f4_m.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120612/16/4fd7d57f5362b_m.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110925/06/4e7f2c083c9fe_m.jpg

Coincidentally, another backdrop painter in NYC recently sold off her rental stock and I bought 8 hand-painted canvas and muslin backdrops similar to what the OP is looking for. I also own several Backdrop Outlet drops. There is a lot of cheezy portrait studio crap on their website, but if you poke thru enough there are many worth a look.

Oliphant is nice.. I requested a custom quote recently and it was $1600

May 24 13 08:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,385
San Diego, California, US


I have three high quality, highly commercial grade painted photo canvases. They came with the gear I once bought from the estate of a high budget photographer who passed away mid-career. One looks stunning for color photos and has very broad application. One looks crappy for general color photos, but makes amazing b/w photos, and is good for special applications. The third one is a little more traditional "senior portrait" style in design, color and more portable size. I don't shoot photos like that, so I don't use the 3rd one.

Having real, professionally made high quality painted canvas is wonderful. I'm pretty handy making things myself, and I could not make something as nice as this myself.

A lot of work and design engineering has gone into the colors and patterns, and how they reflect or otherwise respond to lights and shadows. The tonal gradations are very well balanced, and the perceived colors can vary widely, depending upon how you light them. All three render exceptionally well in b/w. Two of them are for color. For the third one that always renders well in b/w, I have to be more selective when using it for color, usually depending on skin tone of the model I'm shooting. If I'm shooting an Irish looking red-head or black/gray skin tones, it's perfect. 

A good, hand-painted photo canvas is it's own work of art.

I would search Ebay for an old one being sold off by someone who does not know how precious they are. Set an alert, become a smart shopper and pounce when you see one. They can be very expensive, but you might get lucky.

In the meantime, if you can borrow one, use it for practice and you will learn more about what it is you are looking for. A good one is an investment and multi-application versatility is a key factor to consider.

If they are not taken care of they can get beat up quickly, so look for something fresh. If people are walking on them, hand painted canvases disintegrate. It's a delicate surface. and the thick paint can accumulate creases and cracks, with the paint breaking off on hard edges.

Beat up might be ok if you want a vintage patina look to your backgrounds, but if they are trashed, buy them for very cheap. If you find one that has been taken care of, it's worth a splurge.

Mine are pristine. If I tried to overpaint one of them, I'm sure I would destroy it's utility value.

Typical new manufactured canvas backgrounds pale by comparison.
May 24 13 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,385
San Diego, California, US


Something like this has nice muted background colors that would support a punchy subject in the foreground, but how many times can you use it before you want a change of scenery?

It would be fun to play with for a set or two.

Better to just save it in a folder for free and rework it into a digital background.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/9-x-16-Hand-Painted-Canvas-Scenic-Old-Master-Photo-Backdrop-Background-33-084-/00/s/MzMzWDI2Ng==/$T2eC16R,!zUE9s38+F+OBQU1+K1P(w~~60_12.JPG
9x16
May 24 13 08:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Ross Watson
Posts: 103
NEWTOWN SQUARE, Pennsylvania, US


www.dennymfg.com
Had one since the 70's.
Ross Watson
May 24 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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