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Bolo Paolo
Posts: 25
Aix-en-Provence, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


MnPhoto wrote:
If this makes you feel that way, then try being at one of the of the casting calls for Fall/Spring shows. It takes an extreme amount of self-confidence to survive one.

Well this is a good one! Surviving to this kind of casting is a real experience!

Ms Selina K wrote:
So we're essentially just bowls of fruit? *Eyeroll*

Selina, you could consider yourself as an actor in a theater where the director is the photographer, this is the way I see my shootings and it works pretty good for me (I'm the photographer wink )

Jun 12 13 01:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Julian W I L D E
Posts: 1,824
Portland, Oregon, US


For a Photograph to be great, it has to be great photography.   A model can be Beautiful, but that doesn't make it a great photograph.  That makes it a Beautiful Photograph.
Jun 12 13 01:13 am  Link  Quote 
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R.EYE.R
Posts: 2,784
Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan


There is no "I" in "TEAM".
Jun 12 13 05:18 am  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
Posts: 21,685
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


RW Steele wrote:

terrysphotocountry wrote:
legally it's the photographer.

*scratches head* Huh?

The photographer IS the author. The model is NOT!

Studio36

Jun 12 13 05:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Eyesso
Posts: 741
Ormond Beach, Florida, US


What makes a baby.....the mother or the father?   

A photographer can always photograph statues.
A model can always forgo cameras and do runway. 

But debating which of two persons contributes more to a picture it took two to create.....is dumb.
Jun 12 13 01:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB JenB
Posts: 2,974
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Rich Davis wrote:
The llama herder :-)

OH! Of course. wink

Jun 12 13 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Rob Base and DJ Easy J / Roxanne Chante wrote:
It takes two to make a thing go right

Jun 13 13 06:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Toyreality
Posts: 5
Breda, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


Hi RV

it like fire and oil, they need to be one big fire
Jun 14 13 11:20 am  Link  Quote 
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nyk fury
Posts: 2,918
Port Townsend, Washington, US


R.EYE.R wrote:
There is no "I" in "TEAM".

there is in japan: chimu.

Jun 14 13 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
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BrooklynHill
Posts: 4,790
Los Angeles, California, US


A good MUA can make an average model and photographer look like a genius
Jun 16 13 04:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Ken D Photography
Posts: 673
Marietta, Ohio, US


Brianne Leary wrote:

This is pretty much how I feel about it.
A photographer can have a lot of talent and take photos of excellent quality, but when the subject/model looks uninterested, boring, etc, then it kinda takes away from the overall photo.

If the model is talented, knows how to pose, etc, but the photo seems like just a snapshot, then that takes away from the overall image trying to be portrayed too.

Not sure if I explained what I wanted to explain correctly, but yeah.

I may have the knowledge and experience, but without the right model, it's just a picture. That's why I say "I'm only as good as the models I work with".

Jun 16 13 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
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I M N Photography
Posts: 2,326
New York, New York, US


Eyesso wrote:
What makes a baby.....the mother or the father?   

A photographer can always photograph statues.
A model can always forgo cameras and do runway. 

But debating which of two persons contributes more to a picture it took two to create.....is dumb.

nuts
Subjects are not photographers, and rarely self-direct, unless the photographer does not know what he's doing.

Runway is rarely the other option, even for models that qualify for it. It is high profile, and seems to be sporadic, which is why most enthusiasts want to do it (i.e., They think they model rarely, yet can still call themselves "models"), but even models that do it almost exclusively cannot afford to skip print modeling altogether.

BrooklynHill wrote:
A good MUA can make an average model and photographer look like a genius

borat
Makeup artists do not get enough credit for their work.

Jun 17 13 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brett Fish
Posts: 394
Seattle, Washington, US


nyk fury wrote:

that's like asking which end of the cat is the cat.

it's:
model
location
device
shooter
weather
lighting
luck


luck is sort of a wild card.

Don't forget makeup.  As far as I'm concerned, a good MUA is worth his/her weight in gold.

Jun 18 13 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Loli Scotch
Posts: 78
Austin, Texas, US


Both, for sure.  Every photo shoot, ideally, should be a collaboration between artists.
Jun 18 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jignesh Chauhan
Posts: 1
Birmingham, England, United Kingdom


Takes 2 to tango
Jun 18 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Know Idea
Posts: 2,931
San Diego, California, US


I've seen really beautiful photos of really bad models.

I've seen really ugly photos of really great models.
Jun 18 13 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brett Fish
Posts: 394
Seattle, Washington, US


R.EYE.R wrote:
There is no "I" in "TEAM".

Yeah, but there's an "M" and an "E"...  O_o

Jun 18 13 11:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rodney Almore Photos
Posts: 217
Altadena, California, US


JadeDRed wrote:
The photographer, as he has all the control usually.

Really.....are you serious?

Jun 18 13 11:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Daeda1us
Posts: 1,067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


ResaVictoria wrote:
I was just curious, since I am a beginner.
I'm not too pleased with how my latest photos came out
I'll be honest and say that I didn't do my best, but I feel like I was disconnected with the photographer or something, and wasn't a big help but I'm not going to point fingers..


so in your opinion who or what makes the photo?


*my apologies for the misspelling in the title*

I know it is not a popular opinion, but I believe it is the photographer.

Reason?  A great photographer (and I am NOT claiming I am one) can take a picture of anything and make a great photo.

Amazing photos have been taken of street people, migrant farmers, etc.  People who define "not a model".  Yet the photos still had that special something that made them exceptional.  No professional model needed.

And while it is possible for a model to take an amazing picture of themselves, in general they need someone else on the camera.

That said, a good model will elevate the work she helps create. 
A great model will do even more.   

And let's not forget the rest of the team: assistants, hair, makeup, special effects, post-production, etc.  They are extremely important to some photos too.  Sometimes as much so as the photographer or the model!!!

My two cents, YMMV
Daeda1us

Jun 19 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Dani-Mae
Posts: 59
Bladenboro, North Carolina, US


nyk fury wrote:

that's like asking which end of the cat is the cat.

it's:
model
location
device
shooter
weather
lighting
luck


luck is sort of a wild card.

I completely agree with the luck part.  But it takes both.

Jun 20 13 05:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 278
Chicago, Illinois, US


ResaVictoria wrote:
I was just curious, since I am a beginner.
I'm not too pleased with how my latest photos came out
I'll be honest and say that I didn't do my best, but I feel like I was disconnected with the photographer or something, and wasn't a big help but I'm not going to point fingers..


so in your opinion who or what makes the photo?


*my apologies for the misspelling in the title*

Uhh, yeah, them.

Jun 23 13 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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