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Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 521
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view
Jun 12 13 12:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,459
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Natural Means wrote:
Been told that my work is "porn" by a new model?!

And you believe everything you're told?

Jun 12 13 12:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
trailerguy61
Posts: 12
Saffron Walden, England, United Kingdom


hahahahaha, 1st thing i`d do is check out the "porn" poster`s profile for any trace of levels beyond burkha lol, checked out your nudes section and there`s nothing I would consider goes close.
Dismiss it as a crank and move on lol.
Jun 12 13 12:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Revenge Photography
Posts: 1,779
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I agree with previous posts that the level of explicity is low and generally not in the porn range.

However, some of the shots could be seen as porn. Simply because they lack attention to detail. No discernable concept, poor focus, poor exposure and lighting and lack lustre posing. They look like an amateur snap of a naked chick.

Nudity doesn't necessarily equal porn, but shots with no other redeeming quality other than a naked chick, do tend to be interpreted that way by a lot of people.

Edit:
It will help to have a clear idea in your mind of what you want to achieve, if you shoot with no plan other than shoot a naked chick it will show in the final result.
Jun 12 13 01:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AaronPawlak
Posts: 2,703
New York, New York, US


Natural Means wrote:
Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

I agree that it's porn.
I don't know when "porn" started to mean hardcore sex video,
but your photos are porn (I'm 44 years old. A Playboy is porn to me and always was)

Jun 12 13 01:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AaronPawlak
Posts: 2,703
New York, New York, US


Natural Means wrote:
Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

No, don't be concerned.

Jun 12 13 01:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 521
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Thanks for thoughts - been a real help - I had no idea 'porn' was considered so diversely. Will sleep better.

And note the comment on work needed with respect to lighting and posing etc - happening - baby steps. smile
Jun 12 13 03:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David M Russell
Posts: 1,083
New York, New York, US


Ask her how a Puritan got on the internet.

Your stuff isn't porn.
Jun 12 13 04:25 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Erica-rose
Posts: 150
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I'm sorry, but I would consider some (not all!) of your stuff porn (soft porn) things like this... http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30856619 kind of look like stills from a porno.
Jun 12 13 04:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
I M N Photography
Posts: 2,282
New York, New York, US


Natural Means wrote:
Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

"For now" is key, when you have self-improvement goals.
Make sure you present your work in the manner that pleases you most.
Stay true to yourself, and disregard others' derogatory comments.

Jun 12 13 04:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 521
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


MnPhoto wrote:

"For now" is key, when you have self-improvement goals.
Make sure you present your work in the manner that pleases you most.
Stay true to yourself, and disregard others' derogatory comments.

Def-I-Nightly

Jun 12 13 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,750
Los Angeles, California, US


MnPhoto wrote:

"For now" is key, when you have self-improvement goals.
Make sure you present your work in the manner that pleases you most.
Stay true to yourself, and disregard others' derogatory comments.

To add to this previous post, I think you have moments in your portfolio where you come close or really do achieve what photographers starting out would love to achieve. From your nude section I looked at this and thought it was lovely and a good direction for you:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32833144 18+

Jun 12 13 05:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 521
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Ericarose wrote:
I'm sorry, but I would consider some (not all!) of your stuff porn (soft porn) things like this... http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30856619 kind of look like stills from a porno.

Don't be sorry I asked for thoughts and appreciate them.

Come to Sydney and shoot some non porn with me. :-)

Jun 12 13 05:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


That model doesn't know WTF she's talking about. I didn't see any porn in your port.

Maybe the porny stuff got deleted. All I know is there's none there now.
Jun 13 13 07:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
robert b mitchell
Posts: 1,217
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Hmmmmm. What is porn? By who's definition. Then I guess I would be considered doing "por" too.
Jun 13 13 07:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,595
New York, New York, US


I looked in there and I'm disappointed, I didn't find any porn at all!  I think you just started this thread to get free views of your port and bring up your stats!

Nice trickery!~  big_smile
Jun 13 13 07:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,819
Seattle, Washington, US


The quality of your nudes could definitely be improved, but I don't see anything close to porn. No spread-legged shots, no girl/girl stuff, nothing really even close to questionable, in my opinion. 

The model you were corresponding with must think nude=porn. She was probably just a bit of a prude, don't let it get you down.  wink
Jun 13 13 07:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,494
Imperial, California, US


Your model is a DUMBASS and you can print this out and give it to her!! Any other votes for DUMBASS out there??:-)))
Jun 13 13 07:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,595
New York, New York, US


GER Photography wrote:
Your model is a DUMBASS and you can print this out and give it to her!! Any other votes for DUMBASS out there??:-)))

You got my vote!

If nudity equals porn....I guess I better get back to church before I burn...LOL

Jun 13 13 07:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Westdahl Studio
Posts: 331
Seattle, Washington, US


Marin Photography wrote:

You got my vote!

I was hoping to see porn... very disappointed.

Jun 13 13 07:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Westdahl Studio
Posts: 331
Seattle, Washington, US


GER Photography wrote:
Your model is a DUMBASS and you can print this out and give it to her!! Any other votes for DUMBASS out there??:-)))

Dumbass being the euphemism.

Jun 13 13 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harlem Photo
Posts: 84
New York, New York, US


I have to say I'm disappointed by how safe your stuff is - there's plenty of porn on here masquerading as 'art'.  There are far too many 'models' here with all their own 'rules' - half of them couldn't get arrested with stolen diamonds between their thighs.  Do your work and let the critics do theirs.  If she thinks you're shooting porn I'm fkng Larry Flynt over here! 

Keep shooting, keep shooting and when you don't know what else to do - shoot some more.  Till you wear the color off a camera grip you probably haven't shot enough yet!  At least you're getting her attention.
Jun 13 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,595
New York, New York, US


To the OP. There are plenty of good books out there you can buy to help you shoot nudes.  Try Amazon. I have a few, will get you some names if you need them, PM me if you like....
Jun 13 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harlem Photo
Posts: 84
New York, New York, US


Westdahl Studio wrote:

Dumbass being the euphemism.

---bump---

Jun 13 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
m_s_photo
Posts: 600
Port Moody, British Columbia, Canada


Damn, and here I checked out your portfolio for nothing.

Nice pics but not porn. At least not by anyone but Billy Graham's standards.
Jun 13 13 07:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
G D Peters Photography
Posts: 2,907
North Platte, Nebraska, US


According to MM standards, your images are not considered porn.  There will be times when others might consider your images as porn, but many do not, nor care not know what differentiates non-porn from porn.  They just view all images containing nudity as porn.  sad
Jun 13 13 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,494
Imperial, California, US


m_s_photo wrote:
Damn, and here I checked out your portfolio for nothing.

Nice pics but not porn. At least not by anyone but Billy Graham's standards.

Or Jim Baker's!!:-)))

Jun 13 13 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 521
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Marin Photography wrote:
To the OP. There are plenty of good books out there you can buy to help you shoot nudes.  Try Amazon. I have a few, will get you some names if you need them, PM me if you like....

Pm sent thanks Rueben appreciate the offer.

And everyone else too.

And not a hoax to get views i promise. She exists. Even Has nudes ticked YES in her bio. And when i sent back a polite "sorry you think its porn, i don't, nor do my treasured  models but I won't argue thanks for prompt coms best wishes etc etc" message she came back with more. Conversation trashed. I refuse to double the number of idiots in that conversation :-)

David

Jun 13 13 08:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chris Gentle
Posts: 73
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia


Aussie girls can be a bit more conservative in this regard!
Jun 13 13 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
nyk fury
Posts: 2,900
Port Townsend, Washington, US


Natural Means wrote:
But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

who, your mum? hmm

Jun 13 13 09:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 521
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


nyk fury wrote:

who, your mum? hmm

Yeah yeah, I hear what you're sayin'

Jun 13 13 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotographic Aspirations
Posts: 1,906
Long Beach, California, US


Yep , pure porn ... time to box up all your gear and sell it to me $ 50 ! 

Think how well you will sleep knowing your out of the porn business :-)


F  A
Jun 13 13 09:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Miss Photog
Posts: 287
VALLEY VILLAGE, California, US


like everything else, people have different viewpoints on what constitutes porn.
I do not see any porn in your portfolio.
Jun 13 13 10:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,153
Sisters, Oregon, US


Natural Means wrote:
Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

There are many un-enlightened individuals who consider any form of nudity to be porn -often by way of influence of misguided fundamentalist religious zealots. 

There's nothing pornographic about any of your images that I saw. 

As you have already been advised here; be true to yourself and your own vision.  Do not let the narrow views of the misguided distract or divert you from what you know to be artistic.  Your imagery will improve as you use more experienced models and gain experience directing models.  You are off to a good start.

Jun 13 13 10:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
aquarelle
Posts: 1,907
Chicago, Illinois, US


When I think porn, I think of work that stimulates lust and sexual arousal.

In that department, your work should cause you no worries.
Jun 13 13 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


As most have already said - no it's not porn. [By the way, if you haven't had any of your photos blocked by MM yet you're really not in the porn club lol]  But she may have seen some as too amateur and that can translate into whatever you like. You might consider pruning the nudes a little and really just keeping the quality ones. If you do want the more fun 'snaps' - stick them in a folder called 'candid' or 'just fun stuff'. You might also consider making your folder photo for your nude album - less nude (MM now lets you crop) - so it's less in-your-face.

But either way - it sounds like you and this model are on different pages - so shrug it off and keep shooting what you want to shoot.
Jun 13 13 10:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
BodyPainter Rich
Posts: 17,847
San Francisco, California, US


The first time I got that put on me it was a bit of a shock.

By standards of 50 years ago...SOME of your photos might qualify.

By todays standards in the developed world?

No.
Jun 13 13 11:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Love_mya
Posts: 276
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Your work is far from "porn".. its pretty tame stuff in there..
Jun 19 13 06:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4,655
Houston, Texas, US


I'd say you've  nothing to fear.   Grow a thicker skin.

In the end, it's up to you to define your work and how you feel about it.   You'll know when you're doing great work and you'll know when you're doing porn...
Jun 19 13 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Half Taco Photography
Posts: 183
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Quit trying to recruit the ladies at the local church or Sunday school and you'll be fine!!
Jun 19 13 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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