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amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 01:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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DivaEroticus
Posts: 14,568
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US


amb300 wrote:
This one is probably my favorite of my recent photos. The lighting and background really came together for it. I'm really pale, so sometimes my pics don't turn out right.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32931453

Sometimes?

But I'll stick to this picture.  You're too pale, your posture is bad, your underwear is...strange, and your hair is wrong.  You look stiff, but in all the wrong places.  The setting is good, but not with you in it.

This is just a no.

Jun 12 13 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


I am not a professional, therefore, you may take this with as much salt as you want (I recommend keeping it minimal in order to avoid hypertension.)

First off, pale.

I am also pale.  Many of us are pale.  Pale is a very popular skin tone among...I don't know, some Asian cultures, white people who are afraid of skin cancer (me), ghost-fetishists, and probably some other people.  Pale is not an excuse for pics not turning out right, ever.

I'll leave aside the technical aspects of the photo, as you really can't do a whole lot about the soft focus or related details.  That's not your fault.

You're not expressing much of anything here.  I have the same problem -- if you find my portfolio, I have approximately one expression (You could attach the caption "Oh, look, a cat" to pretty much all photos of me and it would be about right.)  The problem here is that you've spent a lot of time claiming to be very attractive and very good at modeling.  These pictures do not show that.  It is okay to be new and inexperienced and awkward.  That's even a good thing in some cases.  It is less okay to claim to be more attractive and talented than male magazine models and then post an image like this.

There's been a lot of hubris thrown around on here, although I know you see it as "fact," rather than bragging.  What you're showing us, though, does not reflect your claims to awesomedom. 

I would suggest working TF with a lot of photographers, finding more experienced male models to shadow (if they'll let you), and possibly paying photographers or more experienced models if you have difficulty finding awesome people to do TF with (this site is full of 'em, but I think most people on here shoot primarily women.)

Succinctly, the picture isn't awful...but it isn't good, either.
Jun 12 13 01:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


As Diva said, you're pale and your posture is terrible. Furthermore, your body is doughy. Your facial appeal is lacking and your expressiveness is nonexistent. You show absolutely no personality.

This latest round of images are still snapshot-quality, but that's the least of your problems.

You've touted yourself as being at least as attractive as the pro models in magazines, but I'd be hard-pressed to find a fashion magazine that uses models with anything close to your look.
Jun 12 13 02:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


amb300 wrote:

I'm pale as I am usually. I don't tan. My posture shows off my musculature, and I'm sitting on a fence rail. For the underwear, I wear women's microfiber string bikinis. My hair is held back with one of those big hair claws, it is normally pretty curly.

Is this...can we have a name to call you by?  If not, I'm sticking with Greenshirt.  It's served me well so far.

Greenshirt, your posture is not showing anything off in a positive way.  The pose may be utilitarian...that is, that might be the most comfortable way to sit on a fence in women's panties for you; I do not know, having never been male, but it is not conducive to a good photo.  The aim of most of the photographers and models on here is to create images that are, to some extent or definition, "pretty."  The pose is neither pretty nor discordant in a way that lends itself to a good image.

I am not sure if you are attempting to justify these aspects of the picture or just explain them.

What would you like us to critique, exactly, I guess?

Jun 12 13 02:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


amb300 wrote:
I am very attractive. I keep in shape, am tall, and well toned.

No. Just no.

Jun 12 13 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


amb300 wrote:
I am very attractive. I keep in shape, am tall, and well toned. The modeling thing is going to take time to get really good at.

I will not argue with you on whether you're attractive.

You find you attractive.  Many people do not.  I find my son's father to be the most beautiful man alive.  Most people think he's an overweight, pale nerd with bad teeth and a misogynistic attitude.  Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.  I'm not going to touch this one. 

With regards to the rest -- at 5'11", I consider myself tall...because I am a girl.

I live with this guy -- http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/13 … 3e6661.jpg  (18+, nude)
He is well-toned.  I would not consider you to be well-toned.  (I'm not either, and neither are many of the models on this site.)

Are you asking us to critique your statements, these specific images, or...what sort of feedback are you looking for, here?

Jun 12 13 02:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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DivaEroticus
Posts: 14,568
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US


DivaEroticus wrote:
Sometimes?

But I'll stick to this picture.  You're too pale, your posture is bad, your underwear is...strange, and your hair is wrong.  You look stiff, but in all the wrong places.  The setting is good, but not with you in it.

This is just a no.
amb300 wrote:
I'm pale as I am usually. I don't tan. My posture shows off my musculature, and I'm sitting on a fence rail. For the underwear, I wear women's microfiber string bikinis. My hair is held back with one of those big hair claws, it is normally pretty curly.

Your paleness does not work in this picture.  Your musculature is NOT shown off by bad posture, and even GOOD posture wouldn't make something appear that is not there to begin with.  Stop wearing women's underwear, unless that's something you're into.  Be a man.  Do something different with your hair.  Get a hair stylist.  You look bored, and you're boring.

my_other_profile wrote:
The problem here is that you've spent a lot of time claiming to be very attractive and very good at modeling.
amb300 wrote:
I am very attractive. I keep in shape, am tall, and well toned. The modeling thing is going to take time to get really good at.

You're very attractive?  Sorry, dude, that's subjective.  I do not find you so.  And I have a broad standard of what I find attractive.  And if you're well-toned, I'm a ballet dancer.

Jun 12 13 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


amb300 wrote:

If you mean doughy as out of shape, not sure how, I work out 5 days a week, and have pretty good muscle tone. I weigh 160, so it isn't fat. I'm not sure how my facial appeal is lacking, could you explain that in more detail?

The male models I've seen in some mags look like me, tall, slim, androgynously pretty.

Your skin is pale and anything but taut. You've got subcutaneous fat that's doing a good job of hiding that supposedly awesome muscle-tone. You're doughy.

Your complexion is pale and a bit rough and your face lacks any trace of expression.

Jun 12 13 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


so sometimes my pics don't turn out right.

I have yet to see one of yours that did.

Jun 12 13 02:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Mary Geraldine
Posts: 1,696
Valdese, North Carolina, US


I'm sure that I will be wasting my time here as it seems you are going to have an excuse for every bit of critique that you receive. However, I promised to verbally assault you and that is exactly what I will do. At least the dexterity of my fingers will be exercised while I am typing this. I work them out five days a week, don't you know.

You've limited what can and can not be critiqued by not only posting in "Serious Critique" where less people are likely to look as it is a sub-forum, but also by linking to a specific photo. I'm not going to argue with you about the technical quality of the photo as that is out of your realm of responsibility. However, what is within said realm is your modeling skills, or lack thereof.

Despite your professing that your hair looks good with just Frizz Ease serum, I have to tell you as a licensed cosmetologist that no, it does not. Your hair looks unhealthy and unstyled. Try regularly scheduled deep conditioning treatments or some product that actually will tame the frizz because what you are using is not sufficient. Perhaps you should work with a stylist who actually knows how to control different hair textures. Being pale is no excuse for poor image quality. Being pale is not something that you should feel the need to explain. Everyone can see by your images just how pasty you are so just leave it at that.

Just because you wear women's underwear and a green lycra shirt in real life does not mean that is appropriate attire for photo shoots. I don't wear underwear in real life, and yet I manage to pose for lingerie shoots. I do own clothing and yet I am fully capable of fulfilling nude shoots. See how that works? A plastic claw hair clip is not sufficient as a hairstyle, either. See above advice about seeking help from a stylist.

Your atrocious posture is akin to that of Snoopy from Peanuts when he was on the hunt as a vulture. No, it does not show off your musculature. Being muscular is the best technique for one to use in order to show off their musculature. Dramatic lighting in some studio shots with a technically skilled photographer might contribute. Slumping on a fence, does not. You have exactly one facial expression on display in your portfolio and it's not even an interesting one. Practice in front of your mirror.

One very important aspect in the world of internet modeling is your online personality and ability to network. So far in the time that you've been active on the forums, you've been very successful in alienating people. Your belligerence and conceit are not attractive traits to put on display for the world to see. Repeated attempts to label yourself as being well endowed and physically attractive come off as cocky and delusional, not confident. And your inability to accept and apply tips and advice that you are receiving in this forum show a lack of dedication.

As far as this specific photo WHY are you in women's underwear with your hair clipped back on a fence? Where is the story? What is the theme? If your goal is to have snapshots taken of you in women's underwear with a blank expression on your face then you have succeeded. If you want to improve as a model, consider themes and styling and how they will tie into the location BEFORE the shoot next time.
Jun 12 13 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


amb300 wrote:
If you mean doughy as out of shape, not sure how, I work out 5 days a week, and have pretty good muscle tone. I weigh 160, so it isn't fat. I'm not sure how my facial appeal is lacking, could you explain that in more detail?

The male models I've seen in some mags look like me, tall, slim, androgynously pretty.

I don't see where the snapshot quality thing comes in, my photographer has been doing it for 20 years, and I thought he was pretty skilled.
amb300 wrote:
The image, it does help. I don't see where the not well toned thing comes from, you can see it very well in my other shirtless pics. I work out 5 days a week, about 2 hours a day, it might be my posture in that particular picture.

If you are just going to argue with the critiques you are being given, why do you ask for one? It doesn't seem you actually want one.

But all that said, beyond your look, or clothing, or skin tone, or anything else, the core of a photo is the what is going on in the photo - what it the story, what is the photo trying to say, etc. Does it have a visual impact.

This does not.

I have no idea why you are sitting in women's underwear with the outline of your dick showing on a gate that appears to be some kind of stable.

Mary Geraldine wrote:
As far as this specific photo WHY are you in women's underwear with your hair clipped back on a fence? Where is the story? What is the theme? If your goal is to have snapshots taken of you in women's underwear with a blank expression on your face then you have succeeded. If you want to improve as a model, consider themes and styling and how they will tie into the location BEFORE the shoot next time.

Looks like someone agrees with me.

Jun 12 13 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


amb300 wrote:
As for being a "man", I'm happy with the way I am. I prefer women's underwear, have been wearing them for a long time, they are more comfortable, lighter, dry faster, and I just prefer them. Men's underwear are baggy garbage that provide no support.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we are being trolled.

Jun 12 13 02:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Mary Geraldine
Posts: 1,696
Valdese, North Carolina, US


amb300 wrote:

That was very detailed, thanks. The hair claw was mainly just to keep it out of my face, but it looked pretty good in the pics, so I left it in.

Should I have posted it in the main critique forum? I thought it would get more responses here.

It probably would have been seen by more in the main critique forum, but that's not a huge deal. Keep it in mind for later if you ever want to ask for more critiques.

As far as the women's underwear and hair clip, the fact of whether it looks "good" or not is up for debate. The whole styling is very feminine. If that is the look you are going for, then cast for that and keep that in mind with location and styling. Androgyny can be done well when it is the theme of the shoot.

Jun 12 13 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


Greg Kolack wrote:
But all that said, beyond your look, or clothing, or skin tone, or anything else, the core of a photo is the what is going on in the photo - what it the story, what is the photo trying to say, etc. Does it have a visual impact.

This does not.

I have no idea why you are sitting in women's underwear with the outline of your dick showing on a gate that appears to be some kind of stable.


Looks like someone agrees with me.
amb300 wrote:
It is an old barn, the location looked pretty neat. The underwear are clingy, so they are going to do that. It isn't erect, so I was able to post it.

That doesn't have anything to do with what I posted.

Jun 12 13 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


amb300 wrote:
That was very detailed, thanks. The hair claw was mainly just to keep it out of my face, but it looked pretty good in the pics, so I left it in.

No. Your hair is a rat's nest. Clipping back the rat's nest with a hair claw doesn't help much.

Jun 12 13 02:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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DivaEroticus
Posts: 14,568
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US


amb300 wrote:
As for being a "man", I'm happy with the way I am. I prefer women's underwear, have been wearing them for a long time, they are more comfortable, lighter, dry faster, and I just prefer them. Men's underwear are baggy garbage that provide no support.

Well, wearing women's underwear in these pictures is not working.  Do whatever you want in your personal life, but you asked for a critique, and a serious one, at that.  Men's underwear is more than just tidy whities or boxers, these days.

Meh...doesn't matter what kind of underwear you're wearing...nothing would make this picture work.

Jun 12 13 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Mary Geraldine wrote:
Androgyny can be done well when it is the theme of the shoot.

Androgyny usually works best when the subject is long and lean of build and pretty. OP's batting 0-for-3 on that.

Jun 12 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


amb300 wrote:
I was explaining your last sentence about sitting on the gate.

No, you were defending yourself. That statement still doesn't explain what you (or the photographer) were trying to say with the photo or what kind of emotion or reaction you were trying to elicit.

Jun 12 13 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


amb300 wrote:

Just thought it would be a good picture.

Then you have a lot to learn. Sitting in your underwear with your dick showing (even though you are clearly proud of it) on a fence at a stable does not create a good picture.

Jun 12 13 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


amb300 wrote:
Tall, slim build, pretty facial features. Any particular themes you would suggest?

Okay height, doughy body, unpretty/uninteresting face. I'd suggest cosplay using a Lucky Charms motif.

Jun 12 13 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


amb300 wrote:

Not sure how, I'm 5'11, 160, and my facial features are feminine, somewhat. Sounds androgynous to me.

I don't think you really know what androgynous means.

Jun 12 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 03:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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DivaEroticus
Posts: 14,568
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US


amb300 wrote:

5'11 isn't short, and I'm not fat. I get hit on a lot by girls on campus, and constantly catch women staring at me at the rec center, so the unpretty/not handsome face thing is not logical. I'm not sure where you get that.

He didn't call you short, or fat.  You're average.  But getting hit on isn't the same thing as being photogenic.  And he's getting it from LOOKING AT YOUR PICTURES.  It's been said countless times in this thread...your expression is uninteresting, and you look disinterested.  You're boring...average.

Practice facial expressions in the mirror.  Have a reason, a story to tell with your face and body language when a picture is taken.

Jun 12 13 03:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


Given the OP's responses/defense/arguments in this thread and some of his past postings, it appears to me he doesn't actually want a critique, he just wants attention.

I have no interest to do that, so I'll leave it to others if they wish to continue.
Jun 12 13 03:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 03:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Daeda1us
Posts: 1,067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


amb300 wrote:

Not sure how, I'm 5'11, 160, and my facial features are feminine, somewhat. Sounds androgynous to me.

Not sure how you think your face is "feminine", even somewhat...

I have seen excellent androgynous shots.
Ones were I may spend ten minutes looking at the high res image and still have no effin' clue if the model is male or female.
None of your shots caused me a second's pause.
You are male.  Nothing wrong with that.  It is just you.

If you are hitting the weight room as much as you imply and you are not showing the results you think are appropriate to your level of effort, you may want to get your testosterone checked.  If you are running on the low side of average it would be very difficult for you to bulk up and get the type of body you seem to want.

(Then again, I know many people who say they "work out 2 hours a day, every day" and what the really mean is they are at the gym for 2 hours, but when you look closely at their routine you realize they are spending a lot of that work out time ... socializing.)

Modeling is hard work. 
For some it comes more easily than others.  Good genetics, trained from youth, whatever. 
For others, it is a lot harder.  A natural smile is hard to fake.  It takes a lot of work to perfect that expression.

If modeling is something you REALLY want to do, jump in with both feet.
But be introspective and objective.
I have found most professionals are their own worst critics.
You are missing that introspection and objectivity, imo.

As always, my two cents, Your Mileage May Vary
Daeda1us

Jun 12 13 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
amb300
Posts: 218
Murfreesboro, Tennessee, US


Jun 12 13 04:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


amb300 wrote:
5'11 isn't short, and I'm not fat. I get hit on a lot by girls on campus, and constantly catch women staring at me at the rec center, so the unpretty/not handsome face thing is not logical. I'm not sure where you get that.

5'11" is pretty average. I didn't say you're fat. I said you're doughy, with a layer of subcutaneous fat that's doing a great job of masking what you claim is a very toned musculature. You don't know where I'm getting the not pretty/not handsome face" thing? From your portfolio. That is *not* a pretty face.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130612/11/51b8b9dd12c44_m.jpg

I'm 100% skeptical of the "getting hit on by a lot of girls on campus." Perhaps you're misinterpreting their actions. And getting stared at by women in the rec center doesn't necessarily mean they're hot for you. Maybe they heard that you wear women's underwear and they're morbidly curious.

Jun 12 13 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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