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MainePaintah
Posts: 1,713
Saco, Maine, US


sdgillis wrote:

LOL Rembrant put himself in his paintings all the time. Yes, I would say he was egotistical too. 

I thought crossing lines was the whole point of creating controversial art.

Rembrandt did so many self-portraits not because he was egotistical but because he was always broke. He made a lot of money doing portraits, but he spent it even faster! (He also just loved to be always painting, hence, so many self-portraits)

Read "Rembrandt, His Life, His Work, His Time", by Bob Haak. A fantastic book!

There is  "creating controversial art", but there is also down-right-creepy, which I still think that photographer is!

Jun 17 13 01:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Caveman Creations
Posts: 580
Fort Worth, Texas, US


Neil Snape wrote:
There is a guy in Paris that does time pieces with him in his pictures in a humorous way. I know the girls he has shot and has never posed a problem. I won't say his name as he may have a MM account.

So if they are tasteful and not implicating anything and you feel comfortable then why not.

Personally it's not my thing, but more because my appreciation of the models I shoot is at the highest level but to see me nude or not in my own pictures would destroy that.

There is also a guy in California, who is on this site, who does this same thing as well. He is the male model in the photos, and I'm actually surprised he hasn't voiced in on this thread! He's quite the creative person, and although, his images are humorous on the surface, when you delve into his photographs, one begins to see how deep they really are. Judging people too harshly, or too quickly can be a double edged sword. You may find you were right all along, but you may find out how wrong you were.

Jun 17 13 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 9,215
Santa Barbara, California, US


The bottom line is that Kelly is impressed by this photographer's work enough to trust him being nude in the shot with her.
Judgement is subjective and we don't know who this person is or the quality of his work to tell her she shouldn't do it. All we can offer is personal and professional opinion from our own experiences.
As I said before, this "naked" double duty on both sides of the lens is crossing professionalism lines for me but who am I to tell Kelly that she should stay away especially if she thinks his work is legit, She's a grown girl and ultimately it's her decision.
Just make sure Kelly that you do your homework before booking, check past and recent references and get in writing details of the shoot and get Paid!  smile

Thank you Kelly, I plan on shooting soon with a refined approach to my choices of subjects and concepts... hopefully I will be honored someday with you in front of my lens wink
Good luck with this decision hun.
Jun 17 13 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB JenB
Posts: 2,980
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Caveman Creations wrote:

There is also a guy in California, who is on this site, who does this same thing as well. He is the male model in the photos, and I'm actually surprised he hasn't voiced in on this thread! He's quite the creative person, and although, his images are humorous on the surface, when you delve into his photographs, one begins to see how deep they really are. Judging people too harshly, or too quickly can be a double edged sword. You may find you were right all along, but you may find out how wrong you were.

Oh my goodness, I so hope to meet that guy, (model alongside him maybe too, if I'm lucky,) on one of my trips to California. I love his stuff! wink
Jen

Jun 17 13 10:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 2,746
London, England, United Kingdom


Kelly Kooper wrote:
Essentially I think what we have here is a situation that is the exception to the rule

After seeing his work I agree to the above, or should I say he's the exception to the rule because he's actually rather good at what he does and not just a run-of-the-mill type photographer.

I'm blown away by his work too! Thanks for sharing.

Jun 18 13 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 1,245
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Well first let me state that I love your work Kelly and if you do find yourself stateside than I will be driving to NYC.  smile

Look if the guy is an artist and you are in love with what he creates and you want to be a part of it .  What is holding you back.

Personally I don't get it. Since it is way to ego driven for me. But what the heck if he is creating art and he is not a troll ( like Billy goats gruff not internet nomenclature ) why should people be so quick to judge.

Good luck with all this and gee whizz when are we shooting? ( lol)

Risen Phoenix
Jun 18 13 05:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark C Smith
Posts: 792
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Outside of a few exceptions (like discussed above), I just can't imagine that being pulled off very well for the majority of photographers...and just screams "creepy", no offense to anybody who may do it. But if the guy's portfolio looks good to you...just check his references and go for it.

I can see jumping into the frame with the model at the end of the shoot for a fun snapshot to put on Facebook or something. Not that I've ever felt the need, personally.
Jun 18 13 07:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Caveman Creations
Posts: 580
Fort Worth, Texas, US


MyrnaByrna Jen B wrote:

Oh my goodness, I so hope to meet that guy, (model alongside him maybe too, if I'm lucky,) on one of my trips to California. I love his stuff! wink
Jen

I tend to think he's pretty "OK" as well. LOL I'd love to have a beer with him.

Jun 18 13 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
IMAK Photo
Posts: 523
Eureka, California, US


sdgillis wrote:
says the model with two hands ensconsing the child in her avatar.....

So now it's creepy for a mother to hold her own child? She appears to be holding the child in the proper way that you need to in order to support the baby's head. I'm afraid to even think how you read something into that photo of a mom holding her own newborn.

Jun 18 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
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