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3068875
Posts: 749
Los Angeles, California, US


or do you want always to be shown in a flattering way?
Jun 17 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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KATHY JEAN
Posts: 5,511
Pekin, Illinois, US


Since modeling is the most basic form of acting, I don't have a problem with portraying any character type - flattering or not.
Jun 17 13 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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3068875
Posts: 749
Los Angeles, California, US


KATHY   JEAN wrote:
Since modeling is the most basic form of acting, I don't have a problem with portraying any character type - flattering or not.

So one would imagine, and yet in practice your position on this seems somewhat rare.

Jun 17 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


It depends on the context/details of the project.

No matter the character, I need to benefit from the end product, be it portfolio, publication, personal meaning or a paycheck.
Jun 17 13 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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KATHY JEAN
Posts: 5,511
Pekin, Illinois, US


I'm willing.  When opportunity to do so knocks, I'll answer.
Jun 17 13 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Klarrissa
Posts: 2,318
Los Angeles, California, US


I've had to play and unattractive character a few times, but it's fun to be out of my comfort zone and actually play a character besides always being cast as the "attractive girl".
Jun 17 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Daisy Fields
Posts: 148
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


I don't mind portraying any character, but I have found that others do. I had a casting call for a really great idea I had that required a man be clearly cuckolded. More than one male model refused the casting because he wanted to be portrayed as strong and handsome.
Jun 17 13 01:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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3068875
Posts: 749
Los Angeles, California, US


Klarrissa wrote:
I've had to play and unattractive character a few times, but it's fun to be out of my comfort zone and actually play a character besides always being cast as the "attractive girl".

For a photo shoot? Or for a speaking role performance?

Jun 17 13 01:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erin Verdigris
Posts: 464
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


The unattractive shoots are usually more fun..

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090522/07/4a16b99fdb2b8_m.jpg
Jun 17 13 01:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Klarrissa
Posts: 2,318
Los Angeles, California, US


de0rbit wrote:

For a photo shoot? Or for a speaking role performance?

I haven't yet for a photo shoot. But twice for a Music Video.

Jun 17 13 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
3068875
Posts: 749
Los Angeles, California, US


Erin Verdigris wrote:
The unattractive shoots are usually more fun..

smile

Jun 17 13 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaela Kino
Posts: 70
Duluth, Minnesota, US


Absolutely I'll play an "unattractive" character! It mixes things up and makes things interesting.

Besides, according to Tyra Banks, models should always be blurring the lines with "ugly-pretty" anyways wink
Jun 17 13 01:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,236
Los Angeles, California, US


I'm willing, but as said earlier on, I'd need to benefit from it. Chances are pictures where I depict an ugly/ unattractive person will not help my modeling book.

I've done shoots as a boy before, and I love those, but I don't necessarily think that's "unattractive," though it DOES go a different route than "pretty girl."

So far as acting goes, I'd definitely be down to play an unattractive person.
Jun 17 13 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Babalon Salome
Posts: 3,499
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany


K I C K H A M wrote:
Chances are pictures where I depict an ugly/ unattractive person will not help my modeling book.

This.

It would have to pay very, very well. There are plenty of things I wouldn't shoot for any amount of money, though.

Jun 17 13 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 37,715
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Hmmmm
Jun 17 13 02:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shellie Schmals
Posts: 113
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I love using my improv experience to bring an ugly or crazy character to life.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/29925983

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/28544965
Jun 17 13 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 34,618
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I have participated in projects that depicted me in an unattractive way. I have been made into monsters, and on one shoot, a murder victim with blunt force head trauma. The makeup was incredibly realistic, and I appeared to be missing a large part of my head. These shoots are fun, but I do expect good compensation for them, because they are not material I can easily use to promote myself. In other words...cash...
Jun 17 13 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheHonoraryLoli
Posts: 76
Austin, Texas, US


I think they can be a lot of fun, but as others have mentioned, it would depend on the skill level of the artists and the concept of the shoot itself.  If it has a good, kickin' story, and looks badass, I am so down to be an unattractive character.

Of course, that said, I can see how this would be difficult for models, as for many, this is their job, and being portrayed in a beautiful light does help bring in paying work.  So I don't fault anyone for wanting or not wanting to shoot certain looks, concepts, or themes.
Jun 18 13 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sierra McKenzie
Posts: 710
Seattle, Washington, US


It is a weird position to be in as a model for sure. Especially a model who does ANY acting.

I did one music video that was really gross, all covered in nasty food. And I'll admit that "welp, there goes my modeling career" went through my head a few times while filming it/watching it.

And I'm in a webseries which does NOT always have the most flattering camera work.

But, I think there can be a balance of doing projects like that and putting out enough work that IS flattering to kind of cancel out anything else. haha.
Jun 19 13 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,098
New York, New York, US


I don't understand how it hurts your book by portraying an unflattering character. If you are being paid to do a job, what does your book have to do with it? It isn't for your book, it's for someone else's book or project.  Am I missing something???....
Jun 19 13 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sierra McKenzie
Posts: 710
Seattle, Washington, US


Marin Photography wrote:
I don't understand how it hurts your book by portraying an unflattering character. If you are being paid to do a job, what does your book have to do with it? It isn't for your book, it's for someone else's book or project.  Am I missing something???....

I think that yes, you can distance yourself from a project by not putting it in your book.

I do think the fact that you can google someone and find images of them makes people a little more wary about gigs they take though.

And I think there are different ranges of unflattering. Theres being a creepy looking but cool witch or something, vs looking like a meth head. If that makes sense.

Jun 19 13 07:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,098
New York, New York, US


Sierra McKenzie wrote:

I think that yes, you can distance yourself from a project by not putting it in your book.

I do think the fact that you can google someone and find images of them makes people a little more wary about gigs they take though.

And I think there are different ranges of unflattering. Theres being a creepy looking but cool witch or something, vs looking like a meth head. If that makes sense.

But wouldn't that show your versatility and range of emotions as opposed to just smiling and looking pretty or sexy? I could understand if it was something pornographic then that would make sense to me. Portraying a meth head for a commercial or add that says "don't do drugs" wouldn't say to me that you are not a good model.

Jun 19 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paige Thomley
Posts: 545
West Bend, Wisconsin, US


Only if Springheel does it.
Jun 19 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Sierra McKenzie
Posts: 710
Seattle, Washington, US


Marin Photography wrote:

But wouldn't that show your versatility and range of emotions as opposed to just smiling and looking pretty or sexy? I could understand if it was something pornographic then that would make sense to me. Portraying a meth head for a commercial or add that says "don't do drugs" wouldn't say to me that you are not a good model.

I think that is kind of the difference between modeling and acting. In acting, range is always good. In modeling, not all people agree.

Like modeling with acne for an acne commercial wouldn't probably do so well for the rest of your modeling.

I do think it is important to take risks though. I just think it is understandable why in this judgmental business models are wary of such projects.

Jun 19 13 08:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,098
New York, New York, US


Sierra McKenzie wrote:

I think that is kind of the difference between modeling and acting. In acting, range is always good. In modeling, not all people agree.

Like modeling with acne for an acne commercial wouldn't probably do so well for the rest of your modeling.

I do think it is important to take risks though. I just think it is understandable why in this judgmental business models are wary of such projects.

Well yes, I see the judgmental argument that puts it in perspective. I sometimes forget that people are that way, my bad...LOL

Jun 19 13 08:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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M A B
Posts: 6,503
Richmond, Virginia, US


Paige Morgan wrote:
It depends on the context/details of the project.

No matter the character, I need to benefit from the end product, be it portfolio, publication, personal meaning or a paycheck.

Ditto.

As an actor, I'm much more open to the idea. "Ugly" characters are fascinating. As a model? It probably won't help my book, so it would likely have to either be for a publication or a fabulous paycheck.

Paige Thomley wrote:
Only if Springheel does it.

Or this. But Springheel could talk me into shooting one hell of a lot more than most people. lol

Jun 20 13 03:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zack Zoll
Posts: 2,060
Glens Falls, New York, US


I'm very interested in reading about this, because I have a project I'm working on that is exactly about this.  But while this thread is about portraying people in an unattractive light with pictures, I'm looking to do it with words.  If you don't mind, I'd like to bounce it off you models, and you can tell me how you feel about it.

So people say that so-and-so "captured their personality so well" in a photo.  Which is total bullshit, because you can't sum up anybody in a single photo.  What they really mean is, "That person looks really good," even if they think they mean something else.  My project is about examining how much a viewer's biases and prior knowledge change how they view an image of a person.  This is primarily going to be a book project, but I do have some ideas on how to adapt it for a gallery show.

So each person in the book has a single photo.  This is the "Birds of a Lesser Paradise" section in my portfolio, if you're interested; though the title might change.  First you see the photo with an explanation of who that person is opposite it.  Turn the page, and there is the exact same photo, printed the exact same way, and a totally different explanation.  Turn the page again, and there is a third explanation.  None of them are full biographies - just short little anecdotes saying what I remember about the person, or what sort of character they are.

Each person will have at least one explanation that is completely true, and at least one that is completely made up.  Some of the explanations(both true and false) will make the person out to be a terrible individual, and some make them look like saints.  Some of them go so far as to say that they're drug users, strippers, pimps, injury lawyers, etc.  Which means that each person will be made out to be good, and each will be made out to be horrible, and it is up to the viewer to decide what they think is right.  At no point in the book will the truth come out - which is why some people will have multiple true explanations.

Most of us are fully aware that modeling is like acting, in that you play a character that is sexier, uglier, or really likes watches, purses, or liquor.  But would you, as a model, be willing to put yourself out there in a way where someone is going to claim all sorts of awful, untrue things about you?
Jun 21 13 04:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,255
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


It's do-able - you just have to get a model who's willing to experiment...

Chrissie-S
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7390/9106841068_5caf816b57_c.jpg

...for which this was the inspiration:

Keira Knightly as 'Domino Harvey'
http://anh.eva.vn/upload/news/2009-08-26/domino-Keira-Knightly-5.jpg
Jun 22 13 12:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Danielle Reid
Posts: 3,001
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


Paige Morgan wrote:
It depends on the context/details of the project.

No matter the character, I need to benefit from the end product, be it portfolio, publication, personal meaning or a paycheck.

+1

Jun 22 13 12:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 248
Chicago, Illinois, US


Sure, why not. Flattery means nothing really
Jun 22 13 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Figuremodel001
Posts: 248
Chicago, Illinois, US


Claire Brev wrote:
I don't mind portraying any character, but I have found that others do. I had a casting call for a really great idea I had that required a man be clearly cuckolded. More than one male model refused the casting because he wanted to be portrayed as strong and handsome.

Actually, I have played that role it's a part, no big deal. Would not be cool in real life, but reel life is different - in some respects.  There are projects I would not want to be part of I'm sure. They would be more the nature of them, not the role within it.

Jun 22 13 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Goddess of Saturn
Posts: 77
Spring Lake, North Carolina, US


de0rbit wrote:
or do you want always to be shown in a flattering way?

Heavens no!

Beauty can be in the grotesque, and obscene. I, myself, would love to depict an "unattractive" character. It just shows how versatile you can be as a model, and that's a GOOD thing. I laugh when people assume it'll hurt their career. If anything, it will help it.

Jun 22 13 04:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Squid Puke
Posts: 49
San Diego, California, US


I tend to be a big fan of the ugly pets ugly or flawed characters and have absolutely NO problem with being part of a project that would depict anything out of the ordinary or common 'pretty girl.'
I think it would be fun smile
Jun 22 13 08:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 37,715
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Paige Thomley wrote:
Only if Springheel does it.
M A B wrote:
Or this. But Springheel could talk me into shooting one hell of a lot more than most people. lol

AWWWWWWWW YEAHHHHHHHHH

Jun 25 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Jolly Rauncher
Posts: 1,515
Seattle, Washington, US


"Blessed are they who see beautiful things in humble places where other people see nothing"
Jun 25 13 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Nikki Magnusson
Posts: 6,841
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I do it every morning..

not a pretty sight..sigh..lol..http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/56355047c63340658461981eb7b5a3a6/l.gif
Jun 25 13 08:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Commerce and clients usually demand an aesthetic to the image, which is why beauty is "sought after".

There are plenty of exceptions though, charity, health and hygiene, law enforcement, there are plenty of advertisers who use unaesthetic pictures of people.
Jun 25 13 08:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Babalon Salome
Posts: 3,499
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany


Paige Thomley wrote:
Only if Springheel does it.
M A B wrote:
Or this. But Springheel could talk me into shooting one hell of a lot more than most people. lol

Oh, well, this.

Jun 25 13 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 37,715
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Paige Thomley wrote:
Only if Springheel does it.
M A B wrote:
Or this. But Springheel could talk me into shooting one hell of a lot more than most people. lol
Babalon Salome wrote:
Oh, well, this.

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Jun 25 13 07:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,236
Los Angeles, California, US


Babalon Salome wrote:

Paige Thomley wrote:
Only if Springheel does it.

Oh, well, this.

Yup.

Jun 25 13 07:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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