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Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,136
San Diego, California, US


Personally, I love 'em.

A model's height is totally irrelevant to me, and to lots of other people who are good with their cameras.

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It annoys the heck out of me when these pompous MM armchair experts rag on new models and say they are delusional for wanting to model.

It seems like I read this stupid quip in the forums here about 20 times a week. Then it's parroted by others as a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction to a model's stated height.

It's the people who say this as a blanket statement who are being delusional.

The percentage of models over 5'10" is only a small subset of those who model. Modeling as a profession, avocation, adventure or hobby can manifest itself in many ways.

If an old sack of potatoes like me can have fun modeling and snapping pictures, then I'm sure anyone who wants to can model.


Carry on.

bunny
Jun 20 13 06:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-The Dave-
Posts: 8,584
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Click, you are too short for anything except nudes. tongue
Jun 20 13 06:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,136
San Diego, California, US


-The Dave- wrote:
Click, you are too short for anything except nudes. tongue

In what regard?

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/11964247

I worked on that expression as part of my modeling repertoire for just such an occassion.

smile

Jun 20 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,695
New York, New York, US


Click Hamilton wrote:
Personally, I love 'em.

A model's height is totally irrelevant to me, and to lots of other people who are good with their cameras.

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It annoys the heck out of me when these pompous MM armchair experts rag on new models and say they are delusional for wanting to model.

Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

Jun 20 13 06:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,136
San Diego, California, US


udor wrote:
Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

Didn't you get to shoot with Rabbit86? 5'3" 100lbs?
aka Kassia, etc.
Would you reject her as a model? tongue

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Yes, I realize that this is from where that argument descends.

Agencies and runway work.

I am tempted to say that everything else is still available for those who want it, including fashion.

Fashions come in all heights and sizes.



Did you mean "high" fashion as higher than 5'10"?


Not so high fashion:

http://www.smudgetikka.com/smgwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Plaids-and-Tartan-checks-combine-with-strong-block-red-colour-for-childrens-fashion-from-Junior-Gaultier-winter-2012.jpg


Relatively low fashion:

http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/rockstar-inspired-toddler-fashion-rock-a-bye-baby.jpeg

Jun 20 13 06:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MMR Digital
Posts: 1,647
Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US


udor wrote:
Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

The Equinox explained.

Thank you gentlemen.

Jun 20 13 06:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MMR Digital
Posts: 1,647
Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US


DP- Yay! My first!
Jun 20 13 06:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,136
San Diego, California, US


MMR Digital wrote:
The Equinox explained.

Thank you gentlemen.

On March 21st and September 22nd I might agree with you.

But The Sun, It Shineth on Short Models every day, without prejudice.

If we can reflect light, we can model. Especially for creative ideas and art.

Jun 20 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dani-Mae
Posts: 59
Bladenboro, North Carolina, US


I'm short....very short actually.

I worked with a photographer here on MM and though I don't have the edited full sized photos yet from what I saw on his DSLR screen the angle that he was shooting me at made me look taller than what I am.  Certainly no six foot...but taller.

I understand the idea behind wanting models of all the same sample size and height for runway.  But I don't understand what the issue is in print.  A photographer can make a short model look taller.....and even still...some people like short.
Jun 21 13 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,232
San Diego, California, US


Click Hamilton wrote:
Personally, I love 'em.

A model's height is totally irrelevant to me, and to lots of other people who are good with their cameras.

---

It annoys the heck out of me when these pompous MM armchair experts rag on new models and say they are delusional for wanting to model.

It seems like I read this stupid quip in the forums here about 20 times a week. Then it's parroted by others as a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction to a model's stated height.

It's the people who say this as a blanket statement who are being delusional.

The percentage of models over 5'10" is only a small subset of those who model. Modeling as a profession, avocation, adventure or hobby can manifest itself in many ways.

If an old sack of potatoes like me can have fun modeling and snapping pictures, then I'm sure anyone who wants to can model.


Carry on.

bunny

As always, audience and intent are at the heart of the matter.

Jun 21 13 01:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I'm short. I realize I'll never shoot high fashion or anything like that, and I'm fine with the idea.
Jun 22 13 07:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Brianne L
Posts: 275
OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US


As said before, I think that only becomes a debate/issue when a shorter model insists on becoming a high fashion model when they are only like 5'5'' (which is my height). Even 5'8'', which I think is still pretty tall, is sometimes STILL considered "too short" for runway.
That doesn't mean shorter models can't still do fashion shows and other runway shows, but will they be high fashion? Not very likely, but it doesn't make them any less of a model.
Literally anyone can model. There so many different niches and genres.
Jun 22 13 07:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,605
New York, New York, US


I don't mind short models at all...Many of us amateurs don't care about height at all...

There are many short and talented models out there. Thank goodness! big_smile
Jun 22 13 08:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


Click Hamilton wrote:

But The Sun, It Shineth on Short Models every day, without prejudice.

Only when I sit down.  I giveth the sun to midget models.  cool 

Jun 22 13 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


-The Dave- wrote:
Click, you are too short for anything except nudes. tongue

Hey hey hey.  Some people are like 5'11" midgets, but they're still good people!  They can't help it if they're not normal size!  big_smile

Jun 22 13 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
sasweets
Posts: 404
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


I found a genre of what I love to do so I don't care that I'm short. It really doesn't hold me back in what I want to do; beauty work and working with designers.
Jun 22 13 08:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
- Aina -
Posts: 731
Redlands, California, US


What if the model was so short, you had to lay on the floor to make her look proportionate.
Jun 22 13 09:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,433
San Francisco, California, US


We do have this debate a lot.  Reality one:  It is much more difficult for a short model to get signed with an agency or walk the runway.

Reality two:  If you don't mind that, there are still plenty of things you can do.

I have shot a lot of short models that I love.  My assistant is only 4'5" and I shoot her all the time.
Jun 22 13 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,199
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I don't think it's simply about short models, it's models who are not sample size who want to shoot fashion that are delusional.  They simply don't fit the clothes and designers are not going to do something special for a model, they may for a celeb but not some girl who thinks they are going to change the industry.
Jun 22 13 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Most of the models I've shot nude, implied and in lingerie have been around 1.55m - for that kind of work, height is less important than the proportions.

For fashion, height is critical as most designers' samples are made in one size only and longer, thinner legs make clothes look better. For everything else, as long as the model is fun to work with, I really don't care.

Actually for most hobby-photographers, I would think shorter (proportional) models are a bonus as it's easier to 'fit' them in home-studios where the ceiling heights are typically lower than commercial studios...

Plus if I really need them to 'look' taller, there's always puppet-warp... big_smile
Jun 22 13 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
nyk fury
Posts: 2,900
Port Townsend, Washington, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
height is less important than the proportions.

that. this is MM. i don't care if she's 6 feet tall or 6 inches tall. hell, if a model was 6 inches tall i could do a LOT more with her: she would make locations look enormous!

Jun 22 13 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 26,728
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


nyk fury wrote:

that. this is MM. i don't care if she's 6 feet tall or 6 inches tall. hell, if a model was 6 inches tall i could do a LOT more with her: she would make locations look enormous!

lol

Jun 22 13 10:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


We could get into a debate about what exactly is "high fashion", but there is a common misconception that high fashion requires height.

It is more about age and when the model started and who their agent was, that determines whether a career path is astronomical or not.

However I think it would be fair to say that probably the shortest mainstream "division 1" agency model in London is probably 5'6", but it wouldn't surprise me if there are beauty models around 5'4". There are plenty of people like Dean Johnson, around 5'6" or 5'7".

If a model can not bring catwalk business to an agency, then the agency look for what else a model can bring. This is why often shorter models may have a specific or unique look, or be willing to do a certain type of work, or it's obvious to the viewer why they stand out from a crowd.

Cosmetics models generally don't need to be catwalk height.

Height sometimes is only an issue because there is a second model involved.
Jun 22 13 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,695
New York, New York, US


udor wrote:
Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...
Click Hamilton wrote:
Didn't you get to shoot with Rabbit86? 5'3" 100lbs?
aka Kassia, etc.
Would you reject her as a model? tongue

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Kasia was a great model (cutest butt ever! smile ) and of course I would work with her again... for art or glamour projects, I just would never cast her for a runway show or for any of the designers I am working with (have not worked with fetish or lingerie designers yet), who require a model to be at least 5'9", because... well... she is 5'3".

Jun 22 13 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Goddess of Saturn
Posts: 77
Spring Lake, North Carolina, US


5 foot flat, over here. big_smile

I think it's all about how your body is proportioned. I have long legs, so I don't look very short on camera.

Still, flaunt what you've got. Short girls are the next big thing. tongue
Jun 22 13 04:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nogawd Photography
Posts: 92
Cleveland, Ohio, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
I don't think it's simply about short llamas, it's llamas who are not sample size who want to shoot fashion that are delusional.

1

That's all it is.

Jun 22 13 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
Hey hey hey.  Some people are like 5'11" midgets, but they're still good people!  They can't help it if they're not normal size!  big_smile

Someday, I need to shoot with you.  You'll be the second tallest woman I've shot.  smile

Jun 22 13 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,400
The Woodlands, Texas, US


nyk fury wrote:

that. this is MM. i don't care if she's 6 feet tall or 6 inches tall. hell, if a model was 6 inches tall i could do a LOT more with her: she would make locations look enormous!

Aye!   cool

Jun 22 13 07:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BlueMoonPics
Posts: 3,888
New York, New York, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:

Aye!   cool

I love a model I can look up to. big_smile

Jun 22 13 07:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Calli Pygian
Posts: 8,039
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
Only when I sit down.  I giveth the sun to midget models.  cool 

Jun 22 13 08:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
KRISTEN MARIE
Posts: 484
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I'm 5'2, but 5'5 in heels smile

And high fashion is one of my favorite types of modeling.. I make it dueable with my height. I just model in my own clothes!

Height doesn't matter to me, if you can model well, then why not do everything!

I admire ''talent'' more than height.  wink
Jun 23 13 02:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bold Sheep Photography
Posts: 234
Blacksburg, Virginia, US


I'm 5'9". I like tall models because really short people make me feel like a giant. But I can actually put a wig on a short model! Just yesterday I shot a model who was 5'10 plus had on 4 inch heels and she had to bend over so I could fix her wig when it got crooked.
Jun 23 13 06:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jolly Rauncher
Posts: 1,515
Seattle, Washington, US


I've made all five of my feet of height work pretty well so far.

If I paid attention to people who told me I was wasting my time I'd have given up a long time ago.
Jun 23 13 05:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Meh. I look taller than I am, because of my legs.

I've signed with several agencies in the past.

I did a runway show two weeks ago.

Etc.
Jun 24 13 08:23 am  Link  Quote 
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