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Plane Crash In San Francisco
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m … 1484.story Looks like the tail caught the embankment and was ripped off the fuselage. Debris scattered along the retaining wall at the waters edge. . Jul 06 13 07:41 pm Link It's amazing that only two people were killed. The news said that 95.7% of people survive plane crashes. Bless everyone impacted by this. Jul 06 13 09:09 pm Link How did it lose so much of the cabin top? Did it go under a bridge and shear off? Jul 06 13 09:19 pm Link AdelaideJohn1967 wrote: I think fire Jul 06 13 09:20 pm Link AdelaideJohn1967 wrote: The fire in the cabin burned thru the top of the fuselage ... must have been pretty intense. Jul 06 13 09:25 pm Link rfordphotos wrote: Fucking hell........ Lucky people, all of them that lived. Should buy lottery tickets Jul 06 13 09:27 pm Link It is amazing that so many survived. Jul 06 13 09:30 pm Link A woman happened to capture the crash on her cell phone: https://twitter.com/stefanielaine/statu … 96/photo/1 Most of the passengers are extremely fortunate. This could have been MUCH worse. Jul 06 13 11:04 pm Link Seems like an altimeter issue. Maybe windshear, but it doesn't look like much wind activity on the water. Jul 06 13 11:16 pm Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Definitely a little low and short. Drag marks and debris say the tail was dragging. Maybe pilot realized he was short and raised the nose to compensate. Not known area for wind shear and normal winds come up gradually throughout the day. Scary. Jul 06 13 11:44 pm Link News reports are saying that the "automated" approach was maybe down and Pilots were informed to land by sight which was no problem as it's what they do anyways AND it was a gorgeous and crystal clear day in the bay area, and at that time of the day conditions are calm and temps were cool (better lift in cooler temps). Looks like pilot error by landing short or on board mechanics may be to blame... won't know for sure untill the investigation is done but by the looks of it, it seems the pilot tried to climb at the last seconds which would dip the tail, the tail hit the toe of the runway, made the plane slam and bounce and broke off the tail end... ugh Just Tragic Prayers out to the passengers and their families! Jul 06 13 11:44 pm Link Art Silva Photography wrote: Obviously we can't know for sure what happened but I think what you said is the most plausible explanation at this point and it's consistent with eyewitness accounts. Jul 07 13 12:39 am Link Snyder Studios wrote: It has already been reported..wind speed 8mph...that is nothing. Jul 07 13 12:49 am Link Damn! Jul 07 13 02:26 am Link GPS Studio Services wrote: That's what I'm thinkin... over 300 made it out safely... definitely amazing considering the reckage I saw... Jul 07 13 02:30 am Link It's easy to say pilot error at this point, except for a similar 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 - where the plane also came in short of the runway. I wonder if something in the cockpit design allows pilots to misguide the landing? Jul 07 13 05:09 am Link What is the height of the sea wall? Jul 07 13 05:43 am Link News reported last night that a piece of automated landing equipment at sfo (something about glide slopes) has been out and will continue to be out for a few months. There's another piece of landing-helping equipment at sfo that may or may not be malfunctioning. They had a 10 hour flight, were landing over a big body of water that can screw with your depth perception, and at least one if not two pieces of equipment they normally rely on were busted. It's certainly operator error but not really surprising. News airline specialist guy predicted they won't release a full report for another 6-12 months, so we'll all have made up our minds about what happened whether it's true or not and forgotten about it before they say something official. Jul 07 13 06:28 am Link Robb Mann wrote: Wiki says that crash was caused by ice blocking the fuel lines, not an issue with landing/pilot. Only similarity is they came short on the runway, the London plane was lucky they had a runway to crash on. Jul 07 13 06:31 am Link Who was flying the plane? I will wager now that the PAPI finger pointing is more of a fluffed up obfuscation by PR teams, lawyers and media hype-mongers than it is a significant factor in the accident. It's impossible for me to imagine that the pilots did not fully understand that these visual aids were not available far in advance of their preparation for landing at SFO. NOTAM's, conversations with ATC and the airport control tower, and by simply looking out the window or at the instruments on an otherwise perfect summer day all initially come to mind as reasons the Glide Slope news is not logical. Jul 07 13 08:33 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: I'll take "pilots" for 500, bob. Jul 07 13 08:58 am Link Already stories of bravery and heroism! Crew members cutting passengers' seat belts to help free them as the plane was burning. http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?gui … 00de3e09c7 Jul 07 13 09:02 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: Laura UnBound wrote: Cute, but ... Jul 07 13 09:09 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: What is, "Information that you can get by using the very same internet you are on to see this post with?" Jul 07 13 09:17 am Link Four pilots were aboard the plane and they rotated on a two-person shift during the flight, according to The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport in South Korea. The two who piloted the plane at the time of crash were Lee Jeong-min and Lee Gang-guk. Jul 07 13 09:19 am Link ^^ thank you Jul 07 13 09:20 am Link Andialu wrote: Cute, butt ... Jul 07 13 09:26 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: Thanks, I've been doing squats. Jul 07 13 09:38 am Link My understanding is that 777 pilots are pretty close to the cream of the crop. Not any pilot can fly those jumbo jets. Seniority and skill are a determining factor in being assigned to the flight crew. Jul 07 13 09:43 am Link Skydancer Photos wrote: You would think they would make sure that the technology that assists them with proper altitude would be up and running regardless of the construction going on. Jul 07 13 09:45 am Link Andialu wrote: I think I will wait till the facts are more complete and obvious. Jul 07 13 09:47 am Link Skydancer Photos wrote: Of course. I'm just going based on Chesley Sullenberger's hypothesis. Jul 07 13 09:51 am Link Skydancer Photos wrote: Skydancer Photos wrote: This one is interesting. Particularly the part about 16G seats, post 2009, and the limits of human endurance. Jul 07 13 09:55 am Link I'm curious as to how the cabin caught fire? Front appears to be the origin of the fire as it appears to have burned the worse. Seems way ahead of the fuel in the wings which appear unburnt, and so do the areas where the engines would be. Very odd. Even though the ILS was down at SFO, the pilots should have been able to see the multiple red "too low" landing lights alongside the runway even if the plane's on-board electronics failed. Korean pilot began flying in 1996 too. No doubt he'll have some explaining to do if he was trying to do a "greased landing" (i.e. too low to make it smooth). Some going into LAX are awfully low at times too if one visits Centinela Hospital upper levels on their approach to runways 24L or 25R and I've wondered if they were buzzing the hospital at times intentionally. Jul 07 13 10:02 am Link GRMACK wrote: I like the way you think Jul 07 13 10:11 am Link GRMACK wrote: The news report I watched last night said that the lighting system to indicate your altitude may or may not have been working at the time, alongside the ils. They described its working to be "intermittent". Something they need to look into, along with all the black box info. Jul 07 13 10:56 am Link Waited until this afternoon to look at a huge pile of photos. What most others have said, only two deaths are amazing....but on the other hand it's always sad when anyone dies like this. Jul 07 13 11:11 am Link Cherrystone wrote: Two teenagers Jul 07 13 11:38 am Link gl-amour wrote: Freaking LOW! Jul 07 13 12:27 pm Link DOUGLASFOTOS wrote: I remember being a little nervous on approach when I saw the runway. Jul 07 13 12:31 pm Link |