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How many edited images would you offer models for a tf casting??? Jul 08 13 12:53 pm Link 2 or 3 per look. Jul 08 13 12:56 pm Link I am probably in the minority on this, but when I do a shoot, the model always gets the exact same number of shots as I do. That is, however many I decide are decent and worth editing. It could be 10 or it could be 50 or more...just depends on how the shoot goes. The only difference between what I end up with and what the model ends up with is that mine are full-res and the model's are resized to portfolio res (800 px). Jul 08 13 12:57 pm Link I've had some TF shoots where I've given back only 10, others where I have given back 50+. It depends on length of shoot, outfits and how experienced your model is. Discuss with your model what they thinks is fair, and go from there. Jul 08 13 01:01 pm Link I think I usually get anywhere from 2-10 pictures from a tf shoot. 2-4 pics per look is pretty typical. Jul 08 13 01:04 pm Link Depends how many I like. Depends how long we shot for. Usually around 10-12. I've had great shoots where I just couldn't decide and where not much retouching was needed so I sent quite a few more. I always decide with the model at the shoot what our process will be...it's usually I sort through and pick the best of the bunch. Only once has the model asked for all the shots. Jul 08 13 01:11 pm Link D Smyre wrote: you only need one good photo. Jul 08 13 01:13 pm Link I generally give the model more than I keep for myself. I will give them any that I like and others that I deem to be acceptable (although I do not want them myself). The reason for this is purely because I realise that what appeals to me, doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone else. And, as others here have said, it all depends on the shoot, anything between 2 or 3 to 30 or so. Jul 08 13 01:23 pm Link L A U B E N H E I M E R wrote: So if you do a 3 hr TF shooting you're just giving one photo? Jul 08 13 01:32 pm Link I promise 5-6 (or 2-3 per look) and usually deliver 8. Granted 1 really strong picture is all I personally want from a shoot, but a lot of models like a few to post on Facebook and various other places. Jul 08 13 01:32 pm Link I am a hobbyist and not of the same standard as others on this site. I tend to say I'm aiming for five, but then usually provide many more. Depends how the shoot goes. If I only get five good shots, no one is getting less than was offered. If its more, then everyone is happy (I hope). I also offer to re-work any images if the model has a specific 'want'. Most importantly, I discuss with the model in advance so that there is less scope for misunderstanding and disapointment. Jul 08 13 01:42 pm Link I'm usually in the range of 20 to 25 images for a half day shoot, depending on the quality of the images available. The model gets both hi-res and web-sized images. I haven't had any complaints at all about this number. Jul 08 13 01:42 pm Link Lars R Peterson wrote: Same Jul 08 13 01:44 pm Link TF is NOT free ! It is an exchange of services as a form of payment. Your work has a value. Their work has a value. Try to make the most even exchange of value between the parties and that way, no one is taken advantage of. Coming from a portrait photographer perspective, one of my images is worth anywhere from $300 - $1500, depending on duration of shoot, size and finishing (retouching, mounting, etc.) of the print. Plus framing! Commercial work is higher due to industry standards and the more involved shoots with higher costs. A "model" or MUA or Stylist services are each worth their going rate. Let's say $300, for example. This could be one hour or all day, depending on their price rate and experience. So if we do a TF shoot together and each gets one image, that is fair and they "should be" happy. As the copyright holder, I do get the opportunity to make copies and use them as additional sales, or I wouldn't be able to compensate the MUA and stylist ! Those are additional uses. That is how and why this works this way. If their rate is $300 per hour and I agree and shoot with them and we shoot for 3 hours, they they can reasonably expect at least three images, UNLESS the shoot was of such a complex nature (special effects, animals, pours, etc.) that only one hero image was created and they should know that possibility going into the shoot. They "shouldn't" expect one copy of every image, as that would not be a balanced exchange of value and each file created may only be ground work or foundation for the one image that was the "winner". My preference is to do a TF shoot where I use a model to test a few lights or some design goal and then I do a session for him/her and make an image that solves a need for them. We do a selection and then I do the editing and retouching to create the file or print for them. I just did a session, with a beginning model and the time spent testing the lights was broken up by reviewing those images and providing feedback. By the time we got to doing her images, she was much more educated and relaxed and we got several great images to choose from and deliver. Definitely a win win. So it makes no difference if the work is being used commercially or not. If the value of your participation is adequate for your participation, then it is FINE! IT is NOT FREE! On the other hand, if you feel your work is not being adequately compensated by the exchange, take a pass. Just don't say it is free. Say it is inadequate for your needs and move on. Jul 08 13 02:05 pm Link Images by MR wrote: Ha ha!....good point! Jul 08 13 02:40 pm Link One, maybe two photos per look. I rarely use more than one photo per look. Most good models are looking for one true portfolio-quality photos to add to their portfolios. Considering that most of my shoots are 4-6 hours, and my average retouching time per photo is about three hours, I think that's a fair trade. I spend more time selecting the photos to retouch from a shoot than I spent on the shoot. Jul 08 13 06:13 pm Link I usually do 5 per look! Or, If it's hard to choose which ones, it could be up to 10. Jul 08 13 06:25 pm Link Camerosity wrote: Interesting. Jul 08 13 06:42 pm Link Lars R Peterson wrote: This for me. Jul 08 13 07:26 pm Link Camerosity wrote: Phase Shift Photography wrote: I'm using an older machine. It takes 27 seconds just to open and close a 14-bit, 24.5 megapixel RAW file - without even looking at it, checking it at a higher magnification, looking for various ways to crop it, etc. I look at each photo at least once, Generally it takes 3-4 passes through a diminishing number of photos with each pass to select *the* photo for each look. The final selection usually comes down to details and nuances. Jul 08 13 08:23 pm Link 2-3 per look. (the length of the shoot is irrelevant). most of the models, unless new, will tell you they don't want you inundating them with a ton of photos they then need to cull. they don't want or need that many - they want the best handful from the shoot. Same as you. Jul 10 13 02:05 pm Link I give up to 8 retouched images. It takes me quite a while to retouch each image. I may lower this to about 2 or 3 per look since my time is getting even shorter now. Jul 10 13 02:15 pm Link 4-6 Jul 10 13 11:58 pm Link It would honestly depend on how many I liked and edited. I think I gave my model 6 from the shoot we did last month. Jul 11 13 12:08 am Link If anybody asks I say a 'minimum' of 3, total, not per look. Not every look may work and some looks may only yield one image I can be bothered to retouch. For tests I do what I feel like - every minute of my time spent retouching after the shoot is finished is effectively a free gift from me for a model who has already gone home and has nothing more to do but wait for me to retouch and email her some images. If a model wants a set number of images etc. then it ceases to be a trade and she can pay me to retouch them! Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com Jul 11 13 12:44 am Link Sorry, don't do TF. For collaborations all parties get to chose as many images as they need - it's a joint effort after all. Jul 11 13 12:58 am Link R.EYE.R wrote: You will live to regret that. Jul 11 13 01:00 am Link Ash Photographic wrote: I don't see that happening any time in a foreseeable future Jul 11 13 01:14 am Link R.EYE.R wrote: What does that have to do with anything? Jul 11 13 01:21 am Link That Italian Guy wrote: Bon Giorno!! Jul 11 13 01:30 am Link From 3 up to 10 if the shot went really good. I shoot film so I barely get more than 50 images per shoot. Marcio Faustino Marcio Faustino - Traditional Prints Are you an aspiring model? Jul 11 13 02:30 am Link This topic comes up very often. While in the past I have given up to 50 pictures I now think the models don't want that many. Its overwhelming for them. I now aim at doing no more than 10 per look. Jul 11 13 08:20 am Link i post a session gallery and let the model choose her favorites and then i retouch as many as i can. but usually at least 2/hour of shoot time, sometimes a lot more if the retouching is easy or the shoot went really well or i really liked the model. often a model only uses a couple on mayhem but they can show more on their facebook. Jul 11 13 08:21 am Link 5-10 for most shoots (2 looks). I typically use 1-3 myself, but I give the model something to choose from. Jul 11 13 08:26 am Link R.EYE.R wrote: Big mistake. Jul 11 13 08:31 am Link Grin Without a Cat wrote: With the 2 shoots I've done so far, this is the process I've been following. I watermark whatever I produce and toss up the shots on a Shared folder in my SkyDrive. Jul 11 13 08:37 am Link I try to give more than 10, less than 20. That's a lot of retouching work but sometimes (often) my preferred picts are different than those preferred by the model. I'm trying to make everyone happy and I'm selecting pictures "for everyone". Valenten http://www.valentenphotography.com Jul 11 13 08:41 am Link 6-7 pictures 1-2 per look Jul 11 13 04:00 pm Link That Italian Guy wrote: Ciao Bello! Jul 11 13 05:18 pm Link I usually give 5 edited photos, which I let the model pick for herself. Usually I do one for myself, which does not count as one of the 5. Jul 11 13 05:34 pm Link |
