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Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,351
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


Jul 12 13 11:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,579
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Marketing.

iPhone has 8? Fuck that, we got 41.

Your phone only has 8 empees? Mine has 41!

Mom, I want the one with 41 empeeeeeeeeeeessss!!!!
Jul 12 13 11:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rick OBanion Photo
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Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


There will be a shitload of really huge pictures run through crummy instagram filters all over the place.
Jul 12 13 11:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Clancey
Posts: 69
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Well... in the article is says it's for digital zooming and will only capture 5MP pics... so instagram is safe I think.
Jul 12 13 11:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tulack
Posts: 572
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
There will be a shitload of really huge pictures run through crummy instagram filters all over the place.

No, there will be not. Technically it's only 5mp camera.

Jul 12 13 11:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mortonovich
Posts: 5,435
San Diego, California, US


Here's mine!!!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/mortophoto/CHP_0328.jpg
Jul 13 13 01:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 6,144
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


No matter how super cool the camera features on a smart phone may be...

Smart people know the real reason why you choose a smart phone...

A smart Operating System.

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http://www.thefunnyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/funny-windows-8-2012-vs-aol-1996-fail.jpg

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Jul 13 13 03:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 3,114
Puyallup, Washington, US


Tulack wrote:
No, there will be not. Technically it's only 5mp camera.

Apparently it's both. From what I've gathered, it captures both a high resolution and a low resolution image with each capture. The 5mp image is for digital zooming without pixelating and for sharing on social networking sites but it looks like you can still get the high resolution image as well (though you get either 33mp or 38mp depending on aspect ratio).

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/773903 … a1020?news

Jul 13 13 03:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Darren Brade
Posts: 2,771
London, England, United Kingdom


it takes a 38 hi res version and at the same time an oversampled 5mp version for sharing.

I've been following this phone for months, so it will be interesting to see actual shots.

it will replace my Nokia 920 when my contract ends in November.
Jul 13 13 11:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,258
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I'll wait to get one until they come up with interchangeable lenses.
Jul 13 13 11:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,258
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Should we consider this the first "full frame" phone......
Jul 13 13 11:27 am  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
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Seattle, Washington, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
Should we consider this the first "full frame" phone......

why?

Jul 13 13 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,351
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


How many pics can you hold on that? How big would an average pic be? 35mb?
Jul 13 13 12:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tulack
Posts: 572
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
Should we consider this the first "full frame" phone......

It's bigger. 38x25. Full frame would be 36x24

Jul 13 13 01:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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ChanStudio
Posts: 9,177
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/11/technol … newphone2a


WTF?

It is a 5MP Camera.  It is a 41MP so that it allows the Camera zoom without using optical zoom.  From engineering point of view, Optical zoom is expensive and require movement (which creates less reliable).

  If we were to use the ratio that this camera is using, for a 36MP captured image, it would require a sensor with 295.2MP.

Jul 13 13 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ruben Sanchez
Posts: 3,461
San Antonio, Texas, US


It's really a camera, but with a phone.  Next thing you know, Nikon and Canon will crank out phones, but with full frame 100mp cameras, probably within the next year.
Jul 13 13 02:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alien LiFe
Posts: 842
San Francisco, California, US


Sigh ...



... and here I am, trying to save some money for a used medium format digital back ... sad
Jul 13 13 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Image Magik
Posts: 1,067
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Hopefully it has a bigger lens than an iPhone....
Jul 13 13 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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T A R I K
Posts: 1,239
BRONX, New York, US


cool, will it have a pc sync socket for my bees
Jul 13 13 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 4,897
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US


Tulack wrote:

It's bigger. 38x25. Full frame would be 36x24

Its a 1/1.5 inch sensor that's a bit smaller than full frame.

Jul 13 13 02:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Yingwah Productions
Posts: 1,341
New York, New York, US


They've actually already released  a phone with the 41mp camera last year.
sample images can be seen at the bottom

http://blog.wirelessground.com/nokia-808-pureview/
Jul 14 13 12:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Fred Greissing
Posts: 6,368
Los Angeles, California, US


Quality is quite something for the size of the camera:

http://connect.dpreview.com/files/p/cms … res-17.jpg
Jul 14 13 02:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Digitoxin
Posts: 13,343
Houston, Texas, US


Ruben Sanchez wrote:
It's really a camera, but with a phone.  Next thing you know, Nikon and Canon will crank out phones, but with full frame 100mp cameras, probably within the next year.

Nikon is already considering a shift in strategy....

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/071406 … slump?news

Jul 14 13 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Digitoxin
Posts: 13,343
Houston, Texas, US


I am struggling to understand the market niche here.  This seems to be a camera with a (Symbian OS) phone.

20 years ago, folks bought a mobile phone and then bought a camera.

10 years ago things started to converge and they bought a PHONE with a camera.

Are we now thinking that folks will buy a CAMERA with a phone?  Will that become a new convergent device?  I just don't see it.  I don't see the stack order of consumer preferences putting the camera ahead of the phone (and its size, shape, weight, looks). 

But, like most other things tech, convergence of devices will be driven by those a generation younger than I and I am interested to see how it will turn out.
Jul 14 13 03:54 am  Link  Quote 
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GRMACK
Posts: 1,929
Bakersfield, California, US


Interesting that it will use non-destructive cropping (i.e. Original image is saved, just that you see the cropped image each time.).

Probably runs on Windows 8 from the screen shot.  It actually implies Windows 8.1.  Might be memory handling issues it needs to run the thing being dual-core and camera's image files.

Don't know about Hipstamatic over Instagram.  To take on Instagram could be a disaster since it is part of Facebook and very established with the Apple users.

It's no wonder Adobe ran to "The Cloud" to lock-in subscriptions and cash flow.  This change of game could be telling for their future on the next camera generation.  They hinted at it in their SEC report around page 44 as I recall and it went on for 10 pages.  Seemed worried at their future in the report.

Nikon might be smart to move into the field somehow as they are hinting.  SIM card in their DSLR lineup along with built-in Wi-Fi and pad support?  Might need some sort of image processing onboard to get file sizes suited to wireless transfer if they go heavy to a 100MP sensor.

Next 10 years will be interesting.  Probably won't look like anything now at all.
Jul 14 13 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


What good are 41 tiny and noisy pixels?

They should be going for lower noise and greater dynamic range instead.
Jul 14 13 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
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varton
Posts: 2,308
New York, New York, US


ChiMo wrote:
Here's mine!!!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/mortophoto/CHP_0328.jpg

I love it
big_smile

Jul 14 13 09:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 3,114
Puyallup, Washington, US


rp_photo wrote:
What good are 41 tiny and noisy pixels?

They should be going for lower noise and greater dynamic range instead.

What they're going for is digital zooming without the quality loss of pixelation or the associated costs of optical zooming.

Looking at the images they released, yeah the images are a little noisy but I didn't see any chroma noise; looked a bit like grain. It certainly wont be replacing my dslr but all-in-all, the thing doesn't look to too bad at all.

Jul 14 13 04:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cursed Photography
Posts: 7
Decatur, Illinois, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
I'll wait to get one until they come up with interchangeable lenses.

Then your waiting for the Iphone version.  I know Iphone has adapters for there phones so you can use canon or nikkon lenses.

Jul 15 13 01:12 am  Link  Quote 
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