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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5,076
Irvine, California, US


Try to visualize this if you can, then tell me what kind of flash it was if you know.

Imagine the rectangular shape of a cigarette carton only the width of a 580EX, 8" tall and about 3/4 of an inch thick. It had a flash on the  front top side the size of a 580EX and was mounted on the camera's shoe. It was black as well.

I have never seen anything like it. It looked almost like the photographer had an old box periscope on his camera. I really couldn't see details on the unit itself as I was on the opposite side of a large crowded indoor event. I looked for the Photographer later on after the event but couldn't find him.

Thanks for any help.
Jul 13 13 04:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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You Can Call Me Pierre
Posts: 755
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


270 EX II
Jul 13 13 04:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5,076
Irvine, California, US


gl-amour wrote:
270 EX II

The 270 EX II is definitely not the flash I saw. What I saw was thin and 8" tall.

Jul 13 13 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paul Grupp
Posts: 793
Santa Monica, California, US


Canon 430EX II
Canon HF-DC2 (don't think it shoe mounts though)
are you sure it was a Canon...
Sony HVL-F20M or HVL-F20AM
Leica SF 24D
Vivitar DF-183 (kinda looks Canon)
Polaroid PL-108AF (kinda looks Canon)
Vivitar and Metz both have several models that match the description
.......
Jul 13 13 07:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ben Travis
Posts: 96
Perth, Western Australia, Australia


Could it have been a 580 on a flash bracket, or just a 3" pass through riser to lift a 580 higher up than normal? Just ideas, you said he was far away, not sure how much you saw. Could you see a LCD or lights on the back of the "flash" anywhere?
Jul 13 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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FEN RIR Photo
Posts: 719
Westminster, Colorado, US


lol all I can think of is the old Sunpaks

http://www.butkus.org/chinon/flashes_meters/sunpak_flash/sunpak6.gif
Jul 13 13 07:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5,076
Irvine, California, US


I'm sorry! I should have said it was on a Canon camera. Actually, don't laugh but here is a quick pic I did in photoshop to give everyone an idea of what I saw. Measurements approximate.

http://www.pbase.com/gpaai/image/151302515.jpg

This was sitting on top of the shoe.
Jul 13 13 09:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,870
Imperial, California, US


Uh, the guy made his own DIY flash?
Jul 13 13 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
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Orlando, Florida, US


Erik Ballew wrote:
lol all I can think of is the old Sunpaks

http://www.butkus.org/chinon/flashes_meters/sunpak_flash/sunpak6.gif

I got one of those. It's badass.

Jul 13 13 09:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
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Irvine, California, US


GER Photography wrote:
Uh, the guy made his own DIY flash?

I was thinking that but it looked like molded plastic and not some cheap thing. I realize my rendering made it look DIY. big_smile

Jul 13 13 10:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
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Irvine, California, US


Ben Travis wrote:
Could it have been a 580 on a flash bracket, or just a 3" pass through riser to lift a 580 higher up than normal? Just ideas, you said he was far away, not sure how much you saw. Could you see a LCD or lights on the back of the "flash" anywhere?

It looked like a molded casing. I coulc kinda tell from time to time when the light would hit it just right. It wasn't a bracket, it was a full enclosed housing. Thinking about it the side of it looked like there was a small lip (again how the light hit it) that could have been part of a battery door or something.

I know strange, right?

Jul 13 13 10:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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SayCheeZ!
Posts: 17,961
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Braun, Philips, and Agfa used to make some pretty innovative flash designs and isn't seen very often in the USA.  Maybe it's made by them?

http://www.dasprogramm.org/images/t2_product_1327105009.jpg



http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j417/CRISALIDE_ebay/flash3-2.jpg

http://www.rockycameras.com/ekmps/shops/rockcameras/images/agfa-302csi-camera-flash-4.99-13081-p[ekm]500x375[ekm].jpg
Jul 13 13 11:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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SayCheeZ!
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Also, did you happen to notice if he was using a wide angle lens?
Jul 13 13 11:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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-The Dave-
Posts: 8,626
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Could be almost anything if the guy was a DIY type person.  And with 3D printers, expect to see more odd stuff being used.  Photographers are a creative bunch...
Jul 14 13 12:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5,076
Irvine, California, US


SayCheeZ!  wrote:
Also, did you happen to notice if he was using a wide angle lens?

You're getting close on those Brauns and as far as I could see from where I was is the lens could have been a 24-70 or 24-105 L.

Jul 14 13 12:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Paul Grupp
Posts: 793
Santa Monica, California, US


Could be simply a DIY slip over box with mirror, periscope to raise the source of the flash away from the lens.
Jul 14 13 01:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
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Baltimore, Maryland, US


Could it have been an LED light, like for video?
Jul 14 13 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5,076
Irvine, California, US


Paul Grupp wrote:
Could be simply a DIY slip over box with mirror, periscope to raise the source of the flash away from the lens.

Yeah I just may be over thinking this, but what I saw looked store bought.

Jul 14 13 08:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
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Irvine, California, US


Thanks everyone for helping me think this through. I'm trying to locate the photographer. If I do, I will post it.
Jul 14 13 08:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
Posts: 5,872
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


Paul Grupp wrote:
Could be simply a DIY slip over box with mirror, periscope to raise the source of the flash away from the lens.

Thinking the same thing.  Even the paper that a file folder is made of becomes incredibly tough when soaked / set in epoxy.  Do that to the inside and spray the outside with polyurethane varnish and then matte black paint and it could almost look factory made.

Aim the flash vertically and just slide the cover over it.

Jul 14 13 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Hiles
Posts: 2
London, England, United Kingdom


Wasn't this was it?

http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/gallery/4500.jpg
Jul 14 13 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5,076
Irvine, California, US


Andrew Hiles wrote:
Wasn't this was it?

http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/gallery/4500.jpg

Add another 4" to the height and we're onto something here.

Jul 14 13 11:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Blanchette
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Irvine, California, US


Michael Bots wrote:

Thinking the same thing.  Even the paper that a file folder is made of becomes incredibly tough when soaked / set in epoxy.  Do that to the inside and spray the outside with polyurethane varnish and then matte black paint and it could almost look factory made.

Aim the flash vertically and just slide the cover over it.

If I'm understanding this correctly this would put the actual flash unit 3 or 4 inches from the camera's shoe. What makes the connection in that gap?

Jul 14 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Paul Grupp
Posts: 793
Santa Monica, California, US


Michael Bots wrote:
Thinking the same thing.  Even the paper that a file folder is made of becomes incredibly tough when soaked / set in epoxy.  Do that to the inside and spray the outside with polyurethane varnish and then matte black paint and it could almost look factory made.

Aim the flash vertically and just slide the cover over it.

Gary Blanchette wrote:
If I'm understanding this correctly this would put the actual flash unit 3 or 4 inches from the camera's shoe. What makes the connection in that gap?

The flash mounts normally on the camera. The flash is pointed stright up. The box is taller than the flash with the mirror or other reflector at the top of the box where there is a cutout and maybe a diffuser in the cutout.

Jul 14 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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SayCheeZ!
Posts: 17,961
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Gary Blanchette wrote:
You're getting close on those Brauns and as far as I could see from where I was is the lens could have been a 24-70 or 24-105 L.

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
Also, did you happen to notice if he was using a wide angle lens?

There was a Braun flash that I remember seeing at least a decade ago which was almost identical to the rendering you've displayed, however I couldn't find an image of it anywhere on Google.  The main difference is that the flash was angled forward just a tiny bit.

Other brands with similar designs that I forgot to mention are Osram and even Metz/Mecablitz

After really thinking this thing out, I have a feeling I saw it sold at Porters Camera store, which was a retailer that specialized in practically every unique, hard to find item in the photography world.  Unfortunately they recently closed down.


Paul Grupp wrote:
Could be simply a DIY slip over box with mirror, periscope to raise the source of the flash away from the lens.

Hence the reason I asked if it was a wide angle lens or not.  I vaguely remember seeing some sort of product or project for that purpose, more important than height was to keep the flash head back to keep it out of the plane of view on a wide angle lens.

Jul 14 13 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
Posts: 5,872
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


Michael Bots wrote:
Thinking the same thing.  Even the paper that a file folder is made of becomes incredibly tough when soaked / set in epoxy.  Do that to the inside and spray the outside with polyurethane varnish and then matte black paint and it could almost look factory made.

Aim the flash vertically and just slide the cover over it.

Gary Blanchette wrote:
If I'm understanding this correctly this would put the actual flash unit 3 or 4 inches from the camera's shoe. What makes the connection in that gap?

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Paul Grupp wrote:
The flash mounts normally on the camera. The flash is pointed stright up. The box is taller than the flash with the mirror or other reflector at the top of the box where there is a cutout and maybe a diffuser in the cutout.

Like this  ^^^   exactly.    If it's paper/cardboard all you need to do is improve the durability (epoxy is one way) and spray paint it. 

Look at the pasta or cookie boxes in the grocery store.

Jul 14 13 12:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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