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Erlinda
Posts: 7,036
London, England, United Kingdom


Patrick Walberg wrote:

That is why I don't believe she has a snowballs chance in hell of winning this as a court case.  But then I'm making assumptions based on what she has told us about the situation.  I would love to see a picture of what she looks like now so that I can see what "traumatized" her.

The last thing she should be doing is posting on here if she is wants to take this to court.

Sep 08 13 04:39 am  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Tiffany_B
Posts: 1,287
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
Yeah, sure...

I mean, what you guys are saying all sounds great IN THEORY.

But if we're talking about ever actually being booked for jobs, you CAN'T do things like call your agency every 5 minutes or demand a mirror and to see every little thing.

If what the OP says is true, it IS the fault of the stylist. If we took the advice you're all giving, we'd be dismissed as divas/snobs and never book work.

There's a huge difference between calling your agency every five minutes just because you may be peeved about wardrobe or the temperature of the water being served isn't to your liking and calling to ask them about a change in the contract that you as a model are being asked to make unilaterally on the spot. Consider that if the OPs hair was her brand for real that in allowing someone to cut it, especially to the extent that she claims that her agency could have dropped her anyway for making the decision to let someone change her look. She had a signed contract for styling only and in practice that's what would have held up in court had she refused to let them cut her hair and been booted from the shoot...

Sep 08 13 08:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,856
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Tiffany_B wrote:
There's a huge difference between calling your agency every five minutes just because you may be peeved about wardrobe or the temperature of the water being served isn't to your liking and calling to ask them about a change in the contract that you as a model are being asked to make unilaterally on the spot. Consider that if the OPs hair was her brand for real that in allowing someone to cut it, especially to the extent that she claims that her agency could have dropped her anyway for making the decision to let someone change her look. She had a signed contract for styling only and in practice that's what would have held up in court had she refused to let them cut her hair and been booted from the shoot...

+1

I bet any agency would rather answer questions up front than deal with things after the fact.




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Sep 08 13 08:27 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Angie_ Hair_ and Makeup
Posts: 49
Saint Cloud, Florida, US


Tiffany_B wrote:
You're making assumptions about the situation: namely that the stylist who did this to the OP had professional training, it's just as likely that this wasn't the case and as such the definitions you learned in school would be irrelevant. Heck, even if the stylist went to cosmetology school there's no guarantee that they'd follow what they learned in school outside of it. My point is that this is one instance where hair is involved where your personal experience as a hairdresser is moot since you can't vouch for the education or professional practices of the stylist in question.

If you are not a professional or have a cosmetology license you are not allowed to cut hair anywhere in the 50 US states basically making it illegal and that stylist could get fined. I doubt a client would hire someone to cut hair without such qualifications.  So I'm making assumptions based on what is legal in the states it is illegal to cut or color someone's hair on a professional setting without a cosmetology license.

Sep 08 13 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Tiffany_B
Posts: 1,287
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, US


Angie_ Hair_ and Makeup wrote:
If you are not a professional or have a cosmetology license you are not allowed to cut hair anywhere in the 50 US states basically making it illegal and that stylist could get fined. I doubt a client would hire someone to cut hair without such qualifications.  So I'm making assumptions based on what is legal in the states it is illegal to cut or color someone's hair on a professional setting without a cosmetology license.

Grasping at straws but lack of proper license could be why cutting (trimming and thinning out actually) wasn't in the original contract. It's also just as likely that depending on the client they didn't know about this. I know I was totally unaware of this law so thanks for the heads up. Serious questions: do students get around this law because they're in a school or salon setting with professionals?

Sep 08 13 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 17,911
Orlando, Florida, US


Tiffany_B wrote:
Grasping at straws but lack of proper license could be why cutting (trimming and thinning out actually) wasn't in the original contract. It's also just as likely that depending on the client they didn't know about this. I know I was totally unaware of this law so thanks for the heads up. Serious questions: do students get around this law because they're in a school or salon setting with professionals?

Yes in a school setting there is a license professional that has to sign off on the procedure and is the only time it can be done without a license since they are being monitored by a licensed professional who is checking up on them and who checks the style before the client walks out the door.

Sep 08 13 11:02 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,489
Los Angeles, California, US


Erlinda wrote:

If what the OP said was true and the stylist kept reassuring her at least 20 times... I wouldn't of trusted to stylist, I would of asked for a mirror, someone reassuring me that many times would of been a huge RED flag for me hmm

Fair enough. But I see how it could be a very uncomfortable situation for her when you're told, "Trust me, it's just a trim" on an agency job.

While the agency would likely prefer to get a phone call, if you cause too many "problems" in the client's mind, they'll call your agency and potentially create problems for you.

It's a really sucky situation to be in.

Sep 08 13 12:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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