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Green Grape
Posts: 286
West Paterson, New Jersey, US


Question:

If I was contacted to do jobs for agency models.. WTH do I do??
From point A to B.

"Hello, I have agency models for you to photograph.
1) 17 year old 1st photoshoot for Natural looks.
2) Fashion billboard ad"

Then I Freeze..

What info do I ask, need, say?
Assuming I know nothing concerning compensation & stuff  agency pay.
Rather than google, I'm asking MM photographers.
Sep 04 13 10:58 am  Link  Quote 
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ph-photo
Posts: 31
London, England, United Kingdom


Is it the agency asking you or the models? Check out what kind of images the agency likes on their website, and play it safe!
Sep 04 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Erlinda
Posts: 7,094
London, England, United Kingdom


Green Grape  wrote:
Question:

If I was contacted to do a job for agency models.. WTH do I do??
From point A to B.

"Hello, I have agency models for you to photograph.
1) 17 year old 1st photoshoot for Natural looks.
2) Fashion billboard ad"

Then I Freeze..

What info do I ask, need, say?
Assuming I know nothing concerning compensation & stuff  agency pay.
Rather than google, I'm asking MM photographers.

Natural looks means clean and simple. No styling (just whatever the model brings or what you have in your closet) very natural make-up nothing to POPing hair shouldn't be anything wild (pulled back or away from the models face (get a make-up artist that needs clean work for their portfolio)

Fashion billboard ad could include a team (mua,stylist etc) depending on if they want calvin klein ads or Guess/Dior ads. Calvin Klein ads are simple and not overly done unlike Guess and Dior which have more of a story line and have a lot more props to work with. Google them smile

Ask them what type of fashion billboard ad are they looking for and give them the types I gave you, if you like it also ask for the models measurements if they haven't given them to you yet (for your stylist)

You should check out the agency site and see what type of photos they have up their for their models (it should give you an idea of what they like)

Good luck! smile

Sep 04 13 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Barry Druxman
Posts: 126
Los Angeles, California, US


Have them send you sample images
Sep 04 13 11:39 am  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


When would you like to do this? What is the budget? Do they have their own wardrobe? What do they look like? How many photos do you need and what framing are you looking for - full length, 3/4, face?

Do you want then retouched or accurate? What size digital images do you need, web, print or both?

Anything else you might as for any other shoot.
Sep 04 13 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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CHAD ALAN
Posts: 3,523
Los Angeles, California, US


Green Grape  wrote:
Question:

If I was contacted to do jobs for agency models.. WTH do I do??
From point A to B.

"Hello, I have agency models for you to photograph.
1) 17 year old 1st photoshoot for Natural looks.
2) Fashion billboard ad"

Then I Freeze..

What info do I ask, need, say?
Assuming I know nothing concerning compensation & stuff  agency pay.
Rather than google, I'm asking MM photographers.

Here's what I do:

1) get a link or have the model send images of herself
2) ask agency to elaborate, when in doubt play it safe, go very clean clean natural first, then more makeup for the next looks (sometimes the agencies just give very general direction as to looks)
3) get a mua and hair stylist
4) send model reference images of what kinds of wardrobe to bring, sometimes the agency will send theses to you as well
5) some agencies like to choose from a culled list of images, with others you can just send what you think is best
6) boutique agencies work differently than larger ones, so your mileage may vary depending on the agency.
7) sometimes, if you are the one contacting an agency, they will ask for a moodboard
8) call what you're doing, "testing", not "tf"
9) sometimes you can get paid for testing, but there are so many photographers out there, that the rates are usually low. Think of it as a way to build a better book.

smile

Sep 04 13 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 16,301
Sacramento, California, US


Green Grape  wrote:
If I was contacted to do jobs for agency models.. WTH do I do??
From point A to B.

"Hello, I have agency models for you to photograph.
1) 17 year old 1st photoshoot for Natural looks.
2) Fashion billboard ad"

Question:

Who and why would they contact you to do "Jobs"? Have you worked with these clients before? What are your rates for a billboard ad? Because we must assume this is paid.

And no, "natural" looks does not mean "plain". Natural look beauty work or natural look ad work can be very stylized. Don't make assumptions.

Sep 04 13 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
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CHAD ALAN
Posts: 3,523
Los Angeles, California, US


Leonard Gee Photography wrote:

Question:

Who and why would they contact you to do "Jobs"? Have you worked with these clients before? What are your rates for a billboard ad? Because we must assume this is paid.

And no, "natural" looks does not mean "plain". Natural look beauty work or natural look ad work can be very stylized. Don't make assumptions.

I assumed this was for testing, but you're right, sounds like they are sending over agency models for paid shoots? That sounds unusual, or very lucky smile

Sep 04 13 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


ph-photo wrote:
Is it the agency asking you or the models? Check out what kind of images the agency likes on their website, and play it safe!

I can't imagine that is how Seven Meisel or any of the other rock star fashion photographers did it. You usually get one chance to make an impression, and a luke warm response isn't what anyone is looking for.

Sep 04 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 10,084
Santa Ana, California, US


You were contacted by whom? The agency? (strange) A potential client? Is this someone you have an existing relationship with?
Sep 05 13 10:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Loki Studio
Posts: 2,974
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


huh?  "If I was contacted..."?

You don't "do jobs for agency models".  A potential client has a project and wants you to be the photographer.  You work with the client to determine goals, deliverables, talent, styling, location etc.  The photographer offers a budget to complete the project and negotiates with the client.  The client usually pays the models directly.

If you get a request to shoot a model by an agency, then you make them an offer and negotiate a fee.   Models without agencies may hire you to shoot a portfolio.  If you want to work with agencies directly, then you will have to show photos in the same style and quality they currently show in their model's portfolios.  I think you have a ways to go before good agencies are interested in your work.
Sep 05 13 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Steve Reganato
Posts: 1,680
New York, New York, US


Sep 07 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 4,337
New York, New York, US


I got contacted by a new boutique agency and I didn't get as much guidance as to what they wanted.  They just wanted me to test their girls.  I was like, um, kewl, OK. smile
Sep 07 13 05:50 am  Link  Quote 
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John Fisher
Posts: 1,884
Miami Beach, Florida, US


http://www.johnfisher.com/images/MENSCH.jpg
This was an agency test shot (for the guy) that got picked up by a magazine for the cover. Sometimes everyone gets lucky!

Green Grape  wrote:
Question:

If I was contacted to do jobs for agency models.. WTH do I do??
From point A to B.

"Hello, I have agency models for you to photograph.
1) 17 year old 1st photoshoot for Natural looks.
2) Fashion billboard ad"

Okay, first separate the two. A test of a seventeen year old can be anything, and a lot depends what the model looks like (and what the point of view of the agency is). If the model (and I'm assuming it's a girl) is 5'10, thin, and has the face that would launch a thousand ships, it's a fashion test. If the model is 5'4, it's a commercial test, and they are different.

A fashion billboard ad?? That's an advertising shot and you need to know who the client is (or at least detailed information about the subject of the shot), the number of billboards the shots will be appearing on, how long they will be up, and how many separate shots they want to use. What you don't want is for the agency to pay you for a test, get a release, and then use the pictures commercially. (This same thing works in reverse, the photographer shoots a test, gets clothes for the test from a designer, gets a release, the images wind up in a look book, and the model pays rather than being paid.)

Natural looks, when an agency says it, normally means light makeup (no heavy eyes or lipstick), a "Natural" (I hate that word!) look. Show the model's hair length, again no extreme hair styles, light fun clothes, a simple swimsuit that's actually on the girl (a one piece suit does not mean picking either the top or bottom), and yes, the agency probably has an online portfolio of models that will guide you.

Good luck, it's a good way to get started in the business (although it is not a sustaining business model). Your book will soon have images of appropriate agency models and because of that, clients will think you are a good photographer! (Hey, it worked for me!)

John
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John Fisher
900 West Avenue, Suite 633
Miami Beach, Florida 330139
(305) 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

Sep 07 13 07:56 am  Link  Quote 
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