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HWM Photography
Posts: 1,383
Chicago, Illinois, US


Just announced today at Photoshop World

http://www.popphoto.com/news/2013/09/ad … m-and-more
Sep 04 13 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,150
Dearborn, Michigan, US


I just purchased Lightroom 5 for $99.  This was a 24 hour email offer from B&H.
Sep 04 13 03:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Diaz
Posts: 62,469
Danbury, Connecticut, US


That's getting better.  I'm still not a fan of the subscription being the only option, but the price is now less than what you would pay if you bought Photoshop and all the updates when they came out.  Getting LR makes it a better deal, too.

The catch is that they say they have no plans to up the price,  but plans can change.
Sep 04 13 03:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eralar
Posts: 1,778
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada


If you get the creative cloud version, can you buy / download add-ons like Imagenomic - Portraiture and still install them?
Sep 09 13 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Grafanovitchi
Posts: 572
San Marcos, California, US


Eralar wrote:
If you get the creative cloud version, can you buy / download add-ons like Imagenomic - Portraiture and still install them?

Yes. The "Cloud" is pure marketing BS.
You are downloading Photoshop (& Lightroom) that reside on your computer just as they always have. The only thing different is that you cannot buy the software, you are renting it and it 'phones homes' once a month to make sure you are up to date on your payments. If not, it refuses to operate.

So, what if you lose your internet connection for a couple of days and it is during that critical 'phone home' window AND you just happen to have a big project due???

Sep 09 13 06:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Glenn Hall - Fine Art
Posts: 431
Townsville, Queensland, Australia


"Phone Home"...hmmm, more spy and adware. No thanks.
Sep 09 13 06:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
GRMACK
Posts: 1,740
Bakersfield, California, US


Eralar wrote:
If you get the creative cloud version, can you buy / download add-ons like Imagenomic - Portraiture and still install them?

Interesting question about Imagenomics.

Sort of an expensive plugin for Photoshop that works well, and it ONLY works with Photoshop and optional for Lightroom (less the Layers part as in PS.).  Won't run as a stand alone to my knowledge, nor will it work with PaintShop Pro X6-64 bit either (I tried it and "No go" there.).

They may as well "Cloud it" too if you sign on for the Cloud CS Photoshop version and then stop paying as it will cease too.  Others like Nik, Topaz, onOne will run outside of PS now, just not Imagenomics.  Perpetual-based license meets the non-perpetual based license.  Not a good plan.

I'll be curious when version 2.0 of the CS Cloud comes out what happens with the "forever price" of CS 1.0 (or 17 as they call it) for $9.95 too.  I have a feeling their sales marketing strategies will change for 'more money' at some point like almost all sundry monthly subscription items do until you threaten to drop and they lower it (maybe).

I bought Winzip years ago when it was "free forever" too. That didn't last, nor did the older lifetime versions of Qimage software either (but at least Qimage Ultimate lets you keep using the version you stop at under their current annual renewal plan, just no further updates.  Adobe just dies.).  If they hike it enough where you won't pay or seek an alternate, then Imagenomics will be worthless unless they update the program to run as a stand-alone or with other editing software.

Sep 09 13 06:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,308
Seattle, Washington, US


GRAF wrote:

Yes. The "Cloud" is pure marketing BS.
You are downloading Photoshop (& Lightroom) that reside on your computer just as they always have. The only thing different is that you cannot buy the software, you are renting it and it 'phones homes' once a month to make sure you are up to date on your payments. If not, it refuses to operate.

So, what if you lose your internet connection for a couple of days and it is during that critical 'phone home' window AND you just happen to have a big project due???

Adobe will say they have nothing to do with anything outside their control. So it will be your problem, no theirs. Another word, it's "awwwwwwwd, that's too bad."

Sep 10 13 12:19 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Rick Hughes
Posts: 40
Salem, South Carolina, US


GRAF wrote:

Eralar wrote:
So, what if you lose your internet connection for a couple of days and it is during that critical 'phone home' window AND you just happen to have a big project due???

I don't think this would be a problem.  Your account at Adobe would be up to date.  All you have to do is bring up PS when you have access to the Net some time in the 90 day window.  It will verify your account and you're free to continue.  Nothing needs to be done on your part.

Sep 16 13 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
GRMACK
Posts: 1,740
Bakersfield, California, US


Thom had something interesting on the Adobe CC thing in his blog here:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/accessories/s … hotog.html

"On the other hand, it's still really a permanent commitment, as there is no stand-alone option to fall back on if you eventually decide to let your subscription go.  Changes you make that use CC features are rasterized in Photoshop CS6, meaning you've lost editability.

So if Adobe does something unique in CC image coding, then there might not be the ability to go back and re-edit anything done in CC once you stop paying, and maybe Lightroom too since they tossed it into the Cloud too (even though initially they said they wouldn't)?  Rentalware - and forever too - isn't sounding too promising if they bugger up the code in your TIFF or JPG to make it not able to be read by prior versions or any others.  Sweet deal - NOT!  Takes extortion to a new level with the abandonment of the perpetual license.

He makes a good point on the "forever" thing too.  Highly doubtful.  Been there so many times on "forevers and lifetimes (of the product)" they aren't worth the paper they're put on.  Just change into a new version, call it Cloud2, whatever.  Even Ford Motor Co. had that "Pay for it once (repair) and never again." in some marketing scam in 1986.  Was in their warranty and owner's manual too.  Out that door that went in a few years.

Adobe does need to pay for all their Cloud software they bought into though.  They should have learned from Kodak's venture to their Cloud and that disaster.
Sep 16 13 09:05 am  Link  Quote 
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