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Erika Muse
Posts: 284
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


What kind of job opportunities could you lose after making this a career choice?

Stories of people losing their jobs based on "old nude photos" seems to stick out in my mind.

HELP. Thanks !
Sep 04 13 10:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Danielle Reid
Posts: 4,016
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Teaching...
Sep 04 13 10:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Peach Jones
Posts: 6,225
Champaign, Illinois, US


school teacher is the one that makes most women stop doing the nude (or sexy) thing
Sep 04 13 10:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Erika Muse
Posts: 284
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


Never wanted to be a teacher so I hope that is all
Sep 04 13 10:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Edward
Posts: 2,462
Dallas, Texas, US


M U S E wrote:
Never wanted to be a teacher so I hope that is all

Well, there might be a problem with running for president LOL.

Sep 04 13 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,034
Portland, Oregon, US


To my knowledge, no nude model has ever become president.
Sep 05 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
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m_s_photo
Posts: 601
Port Moody, British Columbia, Canada


Looknsee Photography wrote:
To my knowledge, no nude model has ever become president.

Proof positive.

Sep 05 13 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
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attila zsargo
Posts: 680
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China


a porn actor
Sep 05 13 08:23 am  Link  Quote 
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MainePaintah
Posts: 1,703
Saco, Maine, US


A few years ago, all my models came from a local college.

Two of the models went on to become doctors, one dropped out of school to marry a doctor. One is a scientist, and another model worked in a well known Funeral Parlor.

In this day and age, I do not not know why any job would be denied an  "art" model, but I know that there is still a lot of closed minded people out there.
Sep 05 13 08:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RSH-Photography
Posts: 301
Austin, Texas, US


Looknsee Photography wrote:
To my knowledge, no nude model has ever become president.

No, but Scott Walker posed nude but was elected to the U.S. Senate. And Arnold was governor of California.

Sep 05 13 08:27 am  Link  Quote 
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C a m i l a
Posts: 119
Austin, Texas, US


I agree with the teaching, but as your name isn't your legal name then hopefully you'll be fine and no one digs up any old photos.
Sep 05 13 08:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,175
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jobs that put you in charge of minors. Jobs that put you in the public eye as someone who is supposed to be representative of something good.

Being naked is scandalous. Teachers, lawyers and other court-related people, people who with with kids, people who work with religions, social workers, military, etc, none of those people can afford a scandal, especially if its even remotely possible that someone could spin it to say that because youre naked on the internet, youve endangered someone else.


You can lose your job for being found naked on the internet just about anywhere, if your boss doesnt like it or feels that it will cause workplace issues then youre canned.
Sep 05 13 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The F-Stop
Posts: 1,455
New York, New York, US


Our Weener posed nude in selfies n was forced to quit.
hahahahahahahahha

Use a sudanm n stay off social networks business' look at.

If you Google your name will any of this show up?
Sep 05 13 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erika Muse
Posts: 284
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


C a m i l a wrote:
I agree with the teaching, but as your name isn't your legal name then hopefully you'll be fine and no one digs up any old photos.

My name IS my legal name, the family name.
It is NOT a moniker or an alias.

(it isn't a very common surname, which I'm sure is the cause of much doubt and the "Let me see your DL!" reactions lol)

Sep 05 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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- Phil H -
Posts: 25,225
Bury Saint Edmunds, England, United Kingdom


Laura UnBound wrote:
Jobs that put you in charge of minors. Jobs that put you in the public eye as someone who is supposed to be representative of something good.

Being naked is scandalous. Teachers, lawyers and other court-related people, people who with with kids, people who work with religions, social workers, military, etc, none of those people can afford a scandal, especially if its even remotely possible that someone could spin it to say that because youre naked on the internet, youve endangered someone else.


You can lose your job for being found naked on the internet just about anywhere, if your boss doesnt like it or feels that it will cause workplace issues then youre canned.

Though it should be noted, that pretty much none of this will fly in the UK and much of Western Europe. big_smile

Here, many topless and nude models and even porn stars have gone on to other careers including TV, education, law and even mainstream politics.

Sep 05 13 07:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,134
San Francisco, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Being naked is scandalous. Teachers, lawyers and other court-related people, people who with with kids, people who work with religions, social workers, military, etc, none of those people can afford a scandal, especially if its even remotely possible that someone could spin it to say that because youre naked on the internet, youve endangered someone else.

I've shot at least 1/2 dozen practicing lawyers nude.  I've shot more than one teacher nude.  I've shot many a soldier and sailor nude.  The first time I had a sailor I got worried so she had her chief call me to tell me it was OK.  The ground rules were that she couldn't pose in uniform or mention in prose that she was in the service.  It also could not be explicit pornography, but art or soft core glamour was fine. 

I've shot police women.  I've shot more than one doctor.  I've also shot two psychologists and one psychiatrist (that I guess would be a doctor too).  I can go on.

The answer is that the possibility exists that you can have a problem in almost any profession, but it is far less likely than you would think.  That having been said, if you were going to be a teacher, work with kids or be in the military, I would consider that before posing nude.

Sep 05 13 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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WCR3
Posts: 1,016
Houston, Texas, US


As a trial lawyer, I would love it if I learned opposing counsel had been, or was still, a nude model.
Sep 05 13 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Peach Jones
Posts: 6,225
Champaign, Illinois, US


Looknsee Photography wrote:
To my knowledge, no nude model has ever become president.

George Washington was an art nude model

:-)

Sep 05 13 09:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Fryd
Posts: 3,611
Miami Beach, Florida, US


C a m i l a wrote:
I agree with the teaching, but as your name isn't your legal name then hopefully you'll be fine and no one digs up any old photos.

I believe that using an alternate name offers little protection in the long run.

We're only a few years away from Google using facial recognition to automatically identify people.  No matter what name you use for your nude images, Google will realize it's the same person as your non-nude facebook page.   Someone who searches for either name will get both sets of images.

Of course, all it takes is for one photographer to leave your real name in the image's meta info, and a search on your real name will turn up that image.

Sep 06 13 03:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,340
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Jobs that put you in charge of minors. Jobs that put you in the public eye as someone who is supposed to be representative of something good.

Being naked is scandalous. Teachers, lawyers and other court-related people, people who with with kids, people who work with religions, social workers, military, etc, none of those people can afford a scandal, especially if its even remotely possible that someone could spin it to say that because youre naked on the internet, youve endangered someone else.


You can lose your job for being found naked on the internet just about anywhere, if your boss doesnt like it or feels that it will cause workplace issues then youre canned.

Sounds exciting but actually it's significantly overstated. I've worked in therapy and education and have known several school teachers who had modeled nude in the past with various levels of recognition and no problems whatsoever. I myself participated in open studios and other showings of my work - photographic, nude and with erotic content, at the time I was working with children in the school system. Both parents and administrators came through to view the work and nothing more than interesting conversations and compliments.

Photographers and the models that work with them will typically overstate public reactions to participating in creating nude works as compared to sculptors and painters. Sometimes there can be harmful reactions and as the work combines elements characterized as glamour or adult, along with identification of the model through clear depiction or name the risk increases. Additionally, the time when the work was created plays a large role: if the work is something from 10 years past that will be viewed differently than an activity which is ongoing or current. In terms of content, when you get to the point of hard core porn you usually have a problem in sensitive careers. Art modelling for a painting or sculpture? Highly unusual for there to be significant problems or for it even to become known in most cases.

OP: Here's my suggestions for useful questions. Is it photography? Will I be identifiable? Is it erotic? Gallery work? Posting to the internet? What community do I plan to live in? What's my tolerance for prudery? For exposure?

The usual variations of: what do I want to do with my life? They're useful for this decision just like they are for many others.

Sep 06 13 04:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,915
Albany, New York, US


Looknsee Photography wrote:
To my knowledge, no nude model has ever become president.

No but the former Senator from Massachusetts, Scott Brown, did pose nude for Cosmo back in the 80's.

Sep 06 13 06:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,915
Albany, New York, US


The conservative institutiosn like the legal or medical professions tend to be the most conservative in their day-to-day operations. Which for me is ironic since some of those same people are some of the freakiest & outlandish behind closed doors.

Teaching is another one but mostly because the administration & school boards have to deal with so many idiot parents coddling Little Johnny or Suzie. They have no quams allowing them watch a movie where people get their brains blown out but god forbid, they see pair of breasts.
Sep 06 13 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
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BCADULTART
Posts: 1,986
Acton, Massachusetts, US


I guess becoming Miss America?  It worked out OK for Miss V in the end.
Sep 06 13 06:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Hunter GWPB
Posts: 1,207
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US


BCADULTART wrote:
I guess becoming Miss America?  It worked out OK for Miss V in the end.

Beat me to it!

Long time ago, a porn star got her image on a box of laundry soap.  The public out cry was intense and sales of the soap went through the roof.  Another one got a part as a super hero.  Outcry and higher ratings.  A few Playboy pets have made it big.  Many have married the rich and famous.

The issue of losing a job could come down to one righteous, zealous person who screams loud enough to the right person.  Or it could promote you to stardom.

Sep 06 13 06:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,034
Portland, Oregon, US


Looknsee Photography wrote:
To my knowledge, no nude model has ever become president.
Farenell Photography wrote:
No but the former Senator from Massachusetts, Scott Brown, did pose nude for Cosmo back in the 80's.

"It's different for girls".

Sep 06 13 08:02 am  Link  Quote 
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EnlightendedPhotography
Posts: 821
Eugene, Oregon, US


Peach Jones wrote:
George Washington was an art nude model

:-)

President George was topless

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Georg … statue.jpg

Sep 06 13 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,340
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Hunter Wald wrote:
Long time ago, a porn star got her image on a box of laundry soap.

The op asks about fine arts/nude modeling and you answer with a story about Marilyn Chambers, one of the most famous porn stars of the past 4 decades. Many would view these as rather separate activities.

Hunter Wald wrote:
The public out cry was intense and sales of the soap went through the roof.

Proctor and Gamble dropped her nearly immediately. It was years before she could get any sort of work outside of the adult industry.

Hunter Wald wrote:
The issue of losing a job could come down to one righteous, zealous person who screams loud enough to the right person.  Or it could promote you to stardom.

Losing a job or career can be substantially detrimental or even financially crippling, it is unlikely to result in stardom and riches.

It wasn't uncommon for the early porn performers to have had work in mainstream acting or modeling. It was always fatal to these career aspirations to have their porn work become known. I do not know of any notable exceptions to this among the early performers.

Far different than fine art modeling.

Sep 06 13 08:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,017
New York, New York, US


I've shot nudes with aspiring and/or working
Actors,
Dancers,
Lawyers,
Doctors,
Psychiatrists,
Strippers,
Parents,
Teachers,
but (so far) no politicians.

The key is to keep a low profile in terms of your real name, employment, residence, family, or anything else that could be connected to you in a Google search.  Never lie on an employment application.  It will almost always be found out and generally at a very inconvenient time, such as when you're just starting up the corporate ladder.  (I know--it happened to me a number of years ago when the investigative techniques were not nearly as good as today's.) 

And it's worth remembering that in none of these "alternate" careers, especially acting or dancing, is any sort of success guaranteed.  Every other person looking for that job is a more probable reason for your not being hired than a history of art modeling, so you might just as well enjoy yourself, discretely of course.  Then, too, even if you never do nude modeling, I would hope that you will do something, somewhere, sometime, with which a potential employer might take issue.  Otherwise you're just wasting your youth, which is a terrible thing indeed!

All IMHO as always, of course.
Sep 06 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
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ddtphoto
Posts: 2,408
Chicago, Illinois, US


It really has more to do with how deep you go. If you're shooting stuff that borders on porn, spread shots, etc... then I'd imagine you're never going to teach biology 101 or be head of the national pto. But if you're doing tasteful, artistic stuff that is, well, beautiful... I don't think it limits you much, and even less as more time passes.

I remember there was a big deal a few years ago when pics emerged of conservative advice columnist Dr. Laura Schlessinger from college or so, basically nude, spread eagle, and wearing dog collars. It didn't stop her from making a career from standing on a moral high horse and in fact sign a deal with sirius for millions afterward.

A lot of people say to just use a different name and you don't have to worry about it. But frankly facial recognition software is just around the corner and it really won't matter what name you use.

I guess ultimately it gets delegated to the court of public opinion, and a lot has to do with what sort of crowd you wind up running with.
Sep 06 13 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
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- Phil H -
Posts: 25,225
Bury Saint Edmunds, England, United Kingdom


WCR3 wrote:
As a trial lawyer, I would love it if I learned opposing counsel had been, or was still, a nude model.

As am sure would they, to discover you spent your free time shooting naked young ladies. wink

Sep 06 13 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 32,603
Los Angeles, California, US


Advances in facial recognition will connect real names to pseudonymous accounts.
Sep 06 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,577
Walnut Creek, California, US


M U S E wrote:
What kind of job opportunities could you lose after making this a career choice?

Intern on the White House staff

Sep 06 13 02:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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afplcc
Posts: 5,983
Fairfax, Virginia, US


M U S E wrote:
What kind of job opportunities could you lose after making this a career choice?

Stories of people losing their jobs based on "old nude photos" seems to stick out in my mind.

HELP. Thanks !

Many school districts are going to have a problem with someone who has nude photos out on the internet.  That includes things like being a cheerleading coach.

Working for many churches this could be an issue.  Most police departments or military organizations will argue this is a violation of your code of conduct if you pose nude while you're employed fulltime by that organization.

That said....the reality is that unless you become famous OR you marry someone famous, most people aren't going to know.  Don't get me wrong--once it's on the internet, it could go anywhere.  But the reality is that there are trillions of photos of nude women out there.  Unless you are actively trying to promote those photos (b/c you're a porn star or model or celebrity) or unless someone else has a good reason to publicize them, it's like saying "if I grow some sunflowers, take pictures of them, and post them on the internet, will I become known for my sunflowers?".  Almost certainly not.  Not unless you post thousands of pictures of sunflowers and either do something to get people to focus on them OR have a reason why people would go out and search really hard to see if by chance, you'd ever posted photos of sunflowers.

i've known a wide range of women who've posed nude.  This includes one who's married to an elected official, another who held an elective office for some time outside of the US, two others who were in media...one as an on-camera talent for CNN, another a producer for a network camera crew, multiple professors, a couple of public school teachers, some nurses,  one who went on to become a pastor in the Methodist Church, a couple of military, a spook.  They all posed nude....I know b/c I shot them.  Most of them posed nude before they went on to those professional achievements but some were in those careers when they posed for me.

Except for the professions I initially mentioned, there tends to be a lot of forgiveness for people who did it BEFORE moving on to a specific career.  Now, posing nude and trying to juggle a career as a politician...didn't work for Anthony Weiner.

Ed

Sep 08 13 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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WCR3
Posts: 1,016
Houston, Texas, US


WCR3 wrote:
As a trial lawyer, I would love it if I learned opposing counsel had been, or was still, a nude model.

- Phil H - wrote:
As am sure would they, to discover you spent your free time shooting naked young ladies. wink

Got me!

Sep 08 13 09:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,232
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Kim Campbell was Canada's Minister of Justice.  She posed nude in 1990, holding her judge's robes in front of her, so it was an implied nude.

She went on to become Prime Minister in 1993.

You can see the photo here:

http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2011/ … mpbell-qc/
Sep 09 13 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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