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Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 520
Albany, Oregon, US


Jay Black wrote:
Hi models. Just wondering if it's worth it for photographers to keep a photo of themselves in their portfolio. Do you want to see us before you meet us? We see so much of you but, naturally, you rarely see us until you meet us. It's always seemed a bit unfair to me, lol. tongue

I'm in my avatar pic. It's my profile, right? Shouldn't I be in the pic? Or am I being a self-centred jerk?

Definitely have your picture on your port and make sure the viewer knows it's you... the avatar should be your best work not a self portrait of yourself someone else took.

Sep 07 13 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ImagineAerie
Posts: 402
Plano, Texas, US


Seems like I'll have to cast a dissenting vote here.  I am not criticizing anyone else's point of view, but, at the risk of being flamed intensely, here's mine.

Sep 07 13 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Broughton
Posts: 2,237
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Jules NYC wrote:
I want all the secret hotties to post pics.

I've seen Stefano already.
lol

Hubba

but if people find out how gorgeous i am, they'll never take me seriously as an artist. tongue

Sep 08 13 12:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dagger133
Posts: 354
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada


ImagineAerie wrote:
Seems like I'll have to cast a dissenting vote here.  I am not criticizing anyone else's point of view, but, at the risk of being flamed intensely, here's mine.

Sep 08 13 12:40 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,543
Muncie, Indiana, US


ImagineAerie wrote:
Seems like I'll have to cast a dissenting vote here.  I am not criticizing anyone else's point of view, but, at the risk of being flamed intensely, here's mine.

Sep 08 13 06:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,327
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Isis22 wrote:

If you didn't take the photo it doesn't need to be in your photographer's portfolio. It comes off as egotistical and doesn't show what you are capable of as a photographer. I wouldn't click on your portfolio because of it. Carry on.

Same here.

Sep 08 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,351
Olney, Maryland, US


Jay Black wrote:
I'm in my avatar pic. It's my profile, right? Shouldn't I be in the pic? Or am I being a self-centred jerk?

You are lovely.  By all means, you should be your own avatar.

Sep 08 13 09:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 2,806
London, England, United Kingdom


ImagineAerie wrote:
Seems like I'll have to cast a dissenting vote here.  I am not criticizing anyone else's point of view, but, at the risk of being flamed intensely, here's mine.

Sep 08 13 09:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DennisRoliffPhotography
Posts: 1,928
Akron, Ohio, US


I think a nice portrait of yourself in your bio is good. I would think that for a photographer though, the avatar should be compelling enough to encourage a model to click and want to see more.
Sep 08 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ImagineAerie
Posts: 402
Plano, Texas, US


Dagger133 wrote:
If the powers that be, changed the avatar slot to a separate image instead of one from our portfolio I would use a self portrait as a true avatar.

This!

Sep 08 13 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dagger133
Posts: 354
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada


Darren Brade wrote:
I don't think (based on the above) you really understand what the avatar is or where it is seen. As I explained to Jay, the avatar is the FIRST picture people will see:

- The avatar is the only picture people see when they search for model/photographers, etc.

- When someone looks at a profile they also see the avatars of all their friends.

- When people browse forums, they see only the avatar.

- When people tag or leave picture comments, only the avatar is seen

- When shout-outs are posted, the avatar is seen.

- If you're a VIP your avatar may appear on the main Model Mayhem page.

So your avatar is not only seen in the forums when chatting, it can be seen all over Model Mayhem in several different way. It is THIS reason why people advocate putting your best work.

Your avatar appears alongside everyone else's in various places and needs to STAND out rather than be bland and not showing you at your best.

Models look at photographer's best work and photographers look for with the right look. Chances are you will be passed by because you are not showing what you are capable of.

As well as the above, it has become a cultural thing on MM to show your best work or best look so people see you and want to network with you.

Note: the op is now using his work as an avatar and no longer using his own image.

There is nothing wrong with having your own picture in your port (mine is in my profile) so people can see who you are, but the avatar is not the ideal place to have it since it is probably the most important image o MM and the whole site has been built around getting the most out of the avatar.

Darren

Yes, the "avatar pic" on MM is not really an avatar it is, in common practice, a cover photo for your profile.

Sep 11 13 11:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
michael___
Posts: 303
New York, New York, US


Interesting thread.

I understand that it is common practice here but I find that using a photo of someone else as my avatar kinda weird. I do it sometimes but I kinda don't like to. I might have issues, lol. This is just my hobby and so me networking is not really a priority.
Sep 12 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Eugenya
Posts: 1,095
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jay Black wrote:
True enough. My intention in using the avatar I do is to show passers-by that at least one model feels comfortable enough with me to ride piggyback. She's also flashing a very happy smile which means she's having fun, too. So, looking into my shop window, a model might find it of interest that shooting with me is an easygoing experience. Perhaps I'm wrong but I assume that's a positive thing for many models, enough for them to want to take a peek at my portfolio where they will get an indication of my shooting/retouching abilities. I've done 80+ shoots with about 60 models in the past five years so it seems to be working. This is why I asked the question, i.e., it seems to work well for me so why aren't others doing it too? And I appreciate the feedback because now I know a few of the reasons.

Thanks for your input. smile

I think your "intention to show passers-by that at least one model feels comfortable enough with" you to ride piggyback is a very nice touch and a good idea.  For people to give you a hard time about something like that is........ass-backward.

Sep 12 13 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,870
Imperial, California, US


If I did that nobody would ever look at my port!!:-))
Sep 12 13 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,156
New York, New York, US


Michael Broughton wrote:

but if people find out how gorgeous i am, they'll never take me seriously as an artist. tongue

Ah ha ha

Well, at least you're a man, that evens out the bell curve:P

Sep 12 13 07:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,292
New York, New York, US


Darren Brade wrote:
There is nothing wrong with having your own picture in your port (mine is in my profile) so people can see who you are, but the avatar is not the ideal place to have it since it is probably the most important image o MM and the whole site has been built around getting the most out of the avatar.

Darren

Dagger133 wrote:
Yes, the "avatar pic" on MM is not really an avatar it is, in common practice, a cover photo for your profile.

My avatar might be not so "enticing"... but... it is still a self portrait...

It is also on my Facebook, models.com, website (will be added again), all social/industry media, linkedin, twitter, business cards and even my bank card... it's part of marketing and branding to me.

Sep 12 13 07:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,292
New York, New York, US


Jules NYC wrote:

Ah ha ha

Well, at least you're a man, that evens out the bell curve:P

"Ball curve"??? yikes

Sep 12 13 07:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,156
New York, New York, US


udor wrote:

"Ball curve"??? yikes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grading_on_a_curve

Just meant it figuratively to make it fair.
You know, women have it rough;)

Sep 12 13 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Menai Media
Posts: 137
Bangor, Wales, United Kingdom


Not.
Sep 13 13 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 2,806
London, England, United Kingdom


Dagger133 wrote:
Yes, the "avatar pic" on MM is not really an avatar it is, in common practice, a cover photo for your profile.

Like many things in computing, a name is given for simplicity and easier understanding rather than a full description.

But like I said earlier, you have to think of the bigger picture and not just these little forums.

Sep 14 13 02:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Will_DB
Posts: 246
Derby, England, United Kingdom


ImagineAerie wrote:

Sep 14 13 03:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Rankin is no male model big_smile I'm not either.

If it was so important, I guess Rankin would be on here with his self-portrait.

Since he's not, I shall continue to assume that half the marketing advice here is cow turd.

I did work as a fashion model for Mixmag and Eitan Lee, who was published in Vogue, but what the hell has that got to do with my photography? I'm not here to book paranoid people who need extra re-assurance, I'm here to work with professionally-minded people, focused on the task at hand. It's a shame though, would love this to be a dating site, oh yes I have my top 12!
Sep 14 13 06:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


ImagineAerie wrote:

Sep 14 13 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,543
Muncie, Indiana, US


That Italian Guy wrote:

ImagineAerie wrote:

Sep 14 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,156
New York, New York, US


That Italian Guy wrote:

Fascinating.

However, unless you're looking for bearded, middle-aged male models it's not going to do you much good here! big_smile


Great, but what use is that if nobody clicks on your avatar to look at your portfolio because they're all turned off by the picture of the middle-aged bearded man?




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Maybe all your super hot models actually like that and want to share a granola bar with you.

lol

Stefano: Secret hottie

Sep 14 13 08:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Eugenya
Posts: 1,095
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


ImagineAerie wrote:
Seems like I'll have to cast a dissenting vote here.  I am not criticizing anyone else's point of view, but, at the risk of being flamed intensely, here's mine.

Sep 14 13 09:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,954
Seattle, Washington, US


Jay Black wrote:
Avatar of the Photographer: Cool or not?

Not cool.  Having no tags or friends is also not cool.  Most of the good models just skip right over people with no friends/tags (even other hobbyist models that may have been willing to trade with you). It comes off as selfish and elitist to refuse to accept friends on a networking site, and you're driving away some pretty cool people by doing so.

OP- You seem pretty bent on doing what you have been, despite the good advice you've been given here.  A pity.....for you.

Sep 14 13 11:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Jules NYC wrote:
All the photographers that refuse to self-portrait are secret hotties.

lol

Mine's in my profile... I got fed up with the pitiful screams when I opened the studio door...

Not suitable as an avatar though... that should be something you shot... and for my money should be updated regularly to show you're actually working...

Sep 14 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eric SUN
Posts: 2,490
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


.Mine?

Thanks a lot.
Sep 14 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,954
Seattle, Washington, US


Eugenya wrote:
It's obvious to me that it's you in your avatar, and that to view images of your work all I would have to do is click on your picture.  I don't see what the big deal is with having your own photo in there.  In fact, I think I kinda like it more than if you had a photo of some babe in a bikini there.  It's more authentic.  Apparently I'm one of the few who cares about such things, though.

Hmmm, you must not ever use the "browse" feature to look for photographers in a certain area?  If you had, you would probably realize that you don't want to click on every single avatar to look at every single port when there are hundreds (even thousands) of results.  You go through them quickly, and click on the ones with the best avatars.  If you don't use the "browse" feature, it may not matter to you, but there are a lot of models who do use it, and most of those models are not clicking on avatars that are portraits of the photographer.  It gives the impression that the photographer in question thinks a picture of themselves is more important than showing their actual work, and it says nothing about what's inside their port.

Sep 14 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,156
New York, New York, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
Mine's in my profile... I got fed up with the pitiful screams when I opened the studio door...

Not suitable as an avatar though... that should be something you shot... and for my money should be updated regularly to show you're actually working...

I think it's cool.
Shows character.

Sep 14 13 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Jules NYC wrote:

I think it's cool.
Shows character.

big_smile

Sep 14 13 03:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,156
New York, New York, US


RKD Photographic wrote:

big_smile

Sideways horns, even cooler.
big_smile

Sep 14 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Randall D
Posts: 259
Helena, Alabama, US


Jules NYC wrote:
All the photographers that refuse to self-portrait are secret hotties.

lol

Don't let my secret out!

Sep 14 13 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
eos3_300
Posts: 1,495
Brooklyn, New York, US


At a certain point its suitable...like a bio written in thrid person on a book jacket.
For MM its totally cheesy.
Sep 14 13 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,156
New York, New York, US


I take pictures, and kind of been slightly recognized for it, but if I had a 'real' camera and all that and shit, I'd be the Headless Horseman and my avatar would always remain the pumpkin.

Just because.
Sep 14 13 08:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Magda Kulpinska
Posts: 539
Paris, Île-de-France, France


i haven't read many of the previous posts but here's what I think/prefer:

On the avatar, I like to see the photographers WORK. For some reason I feel it comes across amateurish to post your own picture (if you're a photographer) on your avatar. As if a model put a self-made i-phone pic... It's more professional to put your work rather than a self-portrait.

BUT, I do appreciate if photographers have a discreet space destined to a photo of themselves. Of course I'd like to see what he looks like before we shoot...
Sep 16 13 01:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Revenge Photography
Posts: 1,817
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Magda Kulpinska wrote:
BUT, I do appreciate if photographers have a discreet space destined to a photo of themselves. Of course I'd like to see what he looks like before we shoot...

I like to send the model a detailed photo of my man junk.

That way when I show up at Starbucks naked for the pre shoot meeting, she knows its not just some random naked dude. smile

Sep 16 13 02:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gran Via 536
Posts: 340
Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain


I think my avatar is one of my better photos to date, it is also my most recent and shows what style I am doing now.

But it is a self portrait... Should I switch it?

smile
Sep 16 13 02:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 4,090
Los Angeles, California, US


Darren Brade wrote:

I don't think (based on the above) you really understand what the avatar is or where it is seen. As I explained to Jay, the avatar is the FIRST picture people will see:

- The avatar is the only picture people see when they search for model/photographers, etc.

- When someone looks at a profile they also see the avatars of all their friends.

- When people browse forums, they see only the avatar.

- When people tag or leave picture comments, only the avatar is seen

- When shout-outs are posted, the avatar is seen.

- If you're a VIP your avatar may appear on the main Model Mayhem page.

So your avatar is not only seen in the forums when chatting, it can be seen all over Model Mayhem in several different way. It is THIS reason why people advocate putting your best work.

Your avatar appears alongside everyone else's in various places and needs to STAND out rather than be bland and not showing you at your best.

Models look at photographer's best work and photographers look for with the right look. Chances are you will be passed by because you are not showing what you are capable of.

As well as the above, it has become a cultural thing on MM to show your best work or best look so people see you and want to network with you.

Note: the op is now using his work as an avatar and no longer using his own image.

There is nothing wrong with having your own picture in your port (mine is in my profile) so people can see who you are, but the avatar is not the ideal place to have it since it is probably the most important image o MM and the whole site has been built around getting the most out of the avatar.

Darren

+1

IMO, I look at MM avatars in this way...

If I had to present a book to a client, what should the VERY FIRST image that they see be? I add then the MM rules of no nudity and work within the small space I have for an avatar (i.e. full body pics don't show my face so I prefer headshots, etc)...

Then I choose my avatar within those parameters.

I do not know many photographers who would present to a client a picture of themselves unless they 1. were looking to sell their ability to shoot the displayed gender (i.e. male photographer looking to shoot male models, female photographer looking to shoot female models) and 2. have such an awesome, memorable image that it no longer matters that it's a self-portrait.

Sep 16 13 03:09 am  Link  Quote 
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