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Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 706
Corvallis, Oregon, US


I have some images where one of the people's arms have full sleeves of dark tattoos and I need to remove them in a natural way and make him non-identifiable. I am comfortable with cloning and patching and have no problem dealing with isolated areas. In this case with full sleeves there is little to no skin of the right texture or tonality to borrow from. In addition, the images are already in duotone so using another image and person as a source is problematic.

Any suggestions?
Sep 06 13 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JoshuaBerardi
Posts: 612
Davenport, Iowa, US


Sounds like a total pain.

Reshoot.

Or, use an arm from another image? (oh god!)

Or, air brush a new arm. (ohhhhh that's going to suck to do)
Sep 06 13 09:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tulack
Posts: 367
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


If you good with drawing shapes, then just paint it and apply skin texture.
Sep 06 13 09:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Don Garrett
Posts: 4,052
Escondido, California, US


Tulack wrote:
If you good with drawing shapes, then just paint it and apply skin texture.

Yep, I have several images in my portfolio that are painted into - some are very large areas. If painting is a problem for you, (to get realistic), then you are in trouble, and will have to reshoot.
-Don

Sep 06 13 09:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 706
Corvallis, Oregon, US


A reshoot is not an option. I can paint over it, but I would need some guidance on creating texture that matches a male arm with hair, then applying that to a curved surface, like the bent elbow.

There are a couple of images with the same lighting that have some uninked skin I could use. Is there a simple way to use the clone stamp and sample on one image and apply on another, since only one is active at a time? The only way I could think was to enlarge the canvas and temporarily paste the source material alongside.
Sep 06 13 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tulack
Posts: 367
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Eye of the World wrote:
A reshoot is not an option. I can paint over it, but I would need some guidance on creating texture that matches a male arm with hair, then applying that to a curved surface, like the bent elbow.

There are a couple of images with the same lighting that have some uninked skin I could use. Is there a simple way to use the clone stamp and sample on one image and apply on another, since only one is active at a time? The only way I could think was to enlarge the canvas and temporarily paste the source material alongside.

There is no curved surface. Images are two dimensional. It's just shadows and highlights. Paint shadows, it will give you curves. Than apply texture. Then get hair brush and paint hair.

You can easy clone from another image without pasting it.

Sep 06 13 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Greg Knoll
Posts: 288
Denver, Colorado, US


You may find it easiest just to replace his arm entirely with one that matches or gets close. Depending on the tattoo you can also try picking it apart, by lassoing around the area, then go edit, fill, content aware.
Sep 06 13 10:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digital Czar
Posts: 933
Oak Park, Illinois, US


Eye of the World wrote:
I have some images where one of the people's arms have full sleeves of dark tattoos and I need to remove them in a natural way and make him non-identifiable. I am comfortable with cloning and patching and have no problem dealing with isolated areas. In this case with full sleeves there is little to no skin of the right texture or tonality to borrow from. In addition, the images are already in duotone so using another image and person as a source is problematic.

Any suggestions?

I know this is not the answer you were seeking but I had to ask.
Perhaps it begs the question of why wasn't this thought of before shooting with that model? I can't believe you didn't notice the sleeve before shooting and not think there could be a retouching issue. Talk about making huge hills to climb....

Sep 06 13 10:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,218
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


Digital Czar wrote:

I know this is not the answer you were seeking but I had to ask.
Perhaps it begs the question of why wasn't this thought of before shooting with that model? I can't believe you didn't notice the sleeve before shooting and not think there could be a retouching issue. Talk about making huge hills to climb....

+1

I don't understand why someone would shoot a tattoo to remove it.

Sep 07 13 08:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Laura Bello
Posts: 1,092
Rochester, New York, US


Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
+1

I don't understand why someone would shoot a tattoo to remove it.

Agreed, especially a full sleeves which I really see no good way of removing successfully.  My best suggestion it shoot someone else's arms with the same lighting and shop them in the best you can.  Other than that you're shit outta luck.

Sep 07 13 09:20 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Rafael_Alexander
Posts: 70
Atlanta, Georgia, US


clone/heal
Sep 07 13 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
AKMac
Posts: 290
London, England, United Kingdom


If you could post the image it might help.
Sep 07 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jakov Markovic
Posts: 954
Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia


It is easier to just re-shoot. You can always paint anything, but might I remind you that all the greats used to paint masterpieces for months or longer, so unless you have that time to achieve photo-realism, just re-shoot.

Also, these sorts of interventions are considered "unreasonable requests". smile So don't promise them to anyone.
Sep 08 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 706
Corvallis, Oregon, US


Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

+1

I don't understand why someone would shoot a tattoo to remove it.

Because the criteria for where the model wants to post these was not known at the time of the shoot. Any individuals in the image other than the model have to be non-identifiable, and only after the fact were we informed that masking tattoos by blurring or other (simpler) means was not acceptable.

For most of the images I have been able to selectively crop to just leave hands, or avoid the arm completely. On others there was more of the underside showing that was not so heavily marked and more easily cloned. It was easier to modify the series by taking out some images than climb that hill.

Sep 08 13 11:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Mike Needham Retouching
Posts: 348
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


It puzzles me slightly that as the photographer you are so bothered as to what the model wants or 'requires', was she a client or does she have some sway over the destination of the images? It would seem the easier option if you have just the odd photo that is not suitable to leave them out of the final edits.
Sep 09 13 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jakov Markovic
Posts: 954
Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia


Whenever a model or whoever figures out that they want to do something absolutely different it calls for a reshoot.
Sep 09 13 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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