login info join!
Forums > General Industry > DO NOT smile...PLEASE!! Search   Reply
Photographer
IMAGINERIES
Posts: 621
New York, New York, US


Why is it that, in the fashion world 90% of the time, the models
have to look, pissed, annoyed at something or hate what they are doing! Or is it starvation that get them in this mood?
Considering what some have to wear...Could be the reason.
I am thinking runways.... not Victoria's!!
Editors request?
Sep 07 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Excelsior Photography
Posts: 153
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US


It drives me crazy. I believe that they think a snarl is sexy.
Personally, I never hire a model who doesn't have smiling shots in her port.
Sep 07 13 09:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kool Koncepts
Posts: 881
Saint Louis, Michigan, US


Primarily because in fashion it is not about the model but what she is wearing.
Sep 07 13 09:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Laura Bello
Posts: 1,307
Rochester, New York, US


Because a big happy smile makes a photoshoot look less dramatic and so makes it look more commercial.  Fashion is the dramatic/action side of photography and commercial is like the romantic comedy.

Think about movie posters for dramatic, high budget movies.  Are the actors on the cover of Black Swan, Titanic or the Kill Bill smiling?  No, because it would create a whole different feeling for the characters and the movie.

Smiling creates a certain feeling that you just don't generally want for most high fashion images.  They're made to tell a story and often it's something that conveys intense emotion, hence no smiling.
Sep 07 13 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DarrylPascoePhotography
Posts: 455
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Kool Koncepts wrote:
Primarily because in fashion it is not about the model but what she is wearing.

This.....  although not always the case that it means they don't want happy and smiling. There is plenty of advertising for commercial fashion that shows happy smiling people wearing the clothing.

Sep 07 13 09:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Atlantic Picture
Posts: 25
Ocean City, Maryland, US


I think it's a combination of the prev. answer  (the main subject is not the model) and the(ir) idea that it makes them cool.

I shot with girls who thought being a bit "too serious" makes them look more high class, hard to get, special..etc...etc..
Now advertising is a diff. idea altogether..

So basically you create a need/want/desire then show ppl that it will make them happy and they are available...  or I just had too much coffee...
Sep 07 13 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Solas
Posts: 9,486
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ariadne Photography wrote:
Because a big happy smile makes a photoshoot look less dramatic and so makes it look more commercial.  Fashion is the dramatic/action side of photography and commercial is like the romantic comedy.

Think about movie posters for dramatic, high budget movies.  Are the actors on the cover of Black Swan, Titanic or the Kill Bill smiling?  No, because it would create a whole different feeling for the characters and the movie.

Smiling creates a certain feeling that you just don't generally want for most high fashion images.  They're made to tell a story and often it's something that conveys intense emotion, hence no smiling.

that

Sep 07 13 10:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dave McDermott
Posts: 264
Coill Dubh, Kildare, Ireland


I thought it was just the blue steel look. smile The models on the catwalk seem to be the most serious or 'pouty' looking. Some fashion images do have nice natural expressions though.
Sep 07 13 12:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SoftLights
Posts: 321
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Kool Koncepts wrote:
Primarily because in fashion it is not about the model but what she is wearing.

From what I understand they don't want the model to smile, have big boobs or anything else that would draw attention away from the cloths.

Sep 07 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
guide forum
Photographer
Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,995
New York, New York, US


My guess (and it's only that since I freely admit that I know absolutely nothing about the fashion industry) is that it's a chain of events not unlike a train wreck:

1- A terribly constipated model manages to release a fart.

2- At precisely that moment the photographer snaps the picture.

3- The picture is submitted and the client pays

4- The photographer receives the check, pays the model, his agent and the
     landlord

6- The photographer, agent and model each go to seven different meetups, bars
     or bar-mitzvahs, bragging about the ground-breaking picture they just sold
     and flashing tears in the face of anyone willing to look.
     The landlord just deposits the check.
     
7-  Eighty-seven photographers duplicate the shot, changing only the model and
     the outfit and pedal the resulting "breakthrough" concepts  to four hundred
     thirty knock-off manufacturers who advertise in WWD and/or late-night cable.

8-  Two thousand six hundred fifteen "inspiring" models who only want to "change
     women's self-image" see the ads and post TF casting calls on MM, OMP and
     Craig's list.

And, as the French say, "Volila!"  We have a new fashion in fashion. 

At least that's the way I see it happening.
Sep 07 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Four-Eleven Productions
Posts: 745
Fircrest, Washington, US


Somebody around here reduced it to, "Glamour is about 'Fuck Me', while Fashion is about 'Fuck You.'"
Sep 07 13 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
F-1 Photo
Posts: 1,002
New York, New York, US


My specialty is pinup. It's all about having fun!
Sep 07 13 01:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vector One Photography
Posts: 2,652
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
Somebody around here reduced it to, "Glamour is about 'Fuck Me', while Fashion is about 'Fuck You.'"

I like this.

And.... most people can't fake a smile so instead of having a bunch of dumb looks on their faces they just have either a blank  or pissed look.

Sep 07 13 01:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Reid
Posts: 3,985
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
Somebody around here reduced it to, "Glamour is about 'Fuck Me', while Fashion is about 'Fuck You.'"

Yeah, this is why I don't do fashion (besides the obvious height and weight issue)

Sep 07 13 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Green Grape
Posts: 273
West Paterson, New Jersey, US


Smiling will make it look as if its a personal portrait. Causes Less focus on the product.
Sep 07 13 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,775
Peoria, Illinois, US


Personally I think it's cool as hell.  So while the original intent is most likely to not distract from the clothing, I think it has morphed into just plain cool.  The better a model is at it the cooler and edgier it gets.
Sep 07 13 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Liquid Lace Studios
Posts: 195
Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia


Kool Koncepts wrote:
Primarily because in fashion it is not about the model but what she is wearing.

I think this is bang on the money

Sep 07 13 03:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,217
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Kool Koncepts wrote:
Primarily because in fashion it is not about the model but what she is wearing.

The model is just supposed to be  a clothes hanger and nothing more.  If they smile your attention may be drawn to their face and you won't look at the clothes.

Sep 07 13 03:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hi_Spade Photography
Posts: 897
Darlington, South Carolina, US


Kool Koncepts wrote:
Primarily because in fashion it is not about the model but what she is wearing.

If this is true, why pay a model to wear the clothes? Why not just buy a mannequin and build a platform on wheels and just roll the mannequin down the runway?

Sep 07 13 03:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,217
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Hi_Spade Photography wrote:

If this is true, why pay a model to wear the clothes? Why not just buy a mannequin and build a platform on wheels and just roll the mannequin down the runway?

People that may buy the clothes aspire to look like the models since the models present a complete look; clothes, accessories, shoes, etc.  No one aspires to look like a lifeless dummy.

Sep 07 13 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hi_Spade Photography
Posts: 897
Darlington, South Carolina, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:

People that may buy the clothes aspire to look like the models since the models present a complete look; clothes, accessories, shoes, etc.  No one aspires to look like a lifeless dummy.

Which goes back to the "not smiling" thing. Maybe hire some "zombies"? Seems that's popular now and people seem to "aspire" to be one of those.

Sep 07 13 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hikari Tech Photography
Posts: 791
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


IMAGINERIES wrote:
Why is it that, in the fashion world 90% of the time, the models
have to look, pissed, annoyed at something or hate what they are doing! Or is it starvation that get them in this mood?
Considering what some have to wear...Could be the reason.
I am thinking runways.... not Victoria's!!
Editors request?

Yeah, I'd say not being able to eat what you REALLY want to eat when you want to eat would make me look like I'm choked about something. Then again, 'attitude' is part of the lure, "you like this?... well, you can't have this".

Sep 07 13 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hikari Tech Photography
Posts: 791
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
Somebody around here reduced it to, "Glamour is about 'Fuck Me', while Fashion is about 'Fuck You.'"

Yeah, I could see that on a hand bag costing $2000+ hmm

Sep 07 13 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lucinda Wedge
Posts: 4,220
Littlerock, California, US


Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
Somebody around here reduced it to, "Glamour is about 'Fuck Me', while Fashion is about 'Fuck You.'"

There's plenty of "fuck me" fashion looks as well.  It's not just in glamour.  Look in some European jeans ads and fashion editorials.  Very "fuck me" looks.  There are also smiling, jumping, having fun fashion editorial shoots.  While, I agree, MOST of the fashion editorials have deer in the headlights or pissed off or something of interest in their facial expressions, not all are that way.  Because it is about the clothes.  But, there is plenty of variety in fashion from American to European to Asian magazines.  They run the gamut of looks.

Sep 07 13 10:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
devpics
Posts: 834
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I think one of the problems is that some Models/Photogs think that because the bigtime fashion model shots look serious, EVERYTHING they do has to look serious, they don't quite understand about context
Sep 08 13 12:17 am  Link  Quote 
  Search   Reply



main | browse | casting/travel | forums | shout box | help | advertising | contests | share | join the mayhem

more modelmayhem on: | | | edu

©2006-2014 ModelMayhem.com. All Rights Reserved.
MODEL MAYHEM is a registered trademark.
Toggle Worksafe Mode: Off | On
Terms | Privacy | Careers