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Will not pay me cause I have not done any paid job
super someone has my password guys !!!!!!!!!! this makes me angry Sep 08 13 03:13 pm Link Sep 08 13 03:21 pm Link I think that the point the photographer was trying to make (but didn't do a good job of) was that you don't have anything in your portfolio besides something you took yourself on your cell phone. You don't have any photos that were taken by an actual photographer that shows what you are capable of in regards to posing, expression, creativity, and diversity. I can see where the photographer was coming from, but he wasn't very good at expressing it. But, IF you want to get paid for a photo shoot, you SHOULD have a portfolio showing WHY you should get paid for a photo shoot. Jason Sep 08 13 03:24 pm Link I only pay models who have experience and are worth being paid. Sep 08 13 03:26 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: It is a valid question though. If you have no experience, you should probably do some TFp to build a portfolio.. If you charge for a shoot, then you should be good at modelling, and to be good you need practice.. Sep 08 13 03:26 pm Link Jason Hamper wrote: +1 Sep 08 13 03:26 pm Link What you're up against. There are literally a thousand Stunning models in Miami, FL. Most have very extensive portfolios. To be very honest, there's nothing in your portfolio, at this time, that would entice a photogapher to want to pay you. Keep working and build your portfolio. At a point, you will be marketable as a paid model. I'm quite sure this will turn into a trainwreck before it's over with. Sep 08 13 03:27 pm Link I guess he is not going to pay you??? You need some body shots in a bikini at the minimum. Sep 08 13 03:27 pm Link You should really do more TFP before charging... But that's all I will say for now because you didn't post this in the Critique forum. Sep 08 13 03:28 pm Link Yes but he replied to my travel notice which had my prices Sep 08 13 03:28 pm Link The photographer was a little rude but on the money. If you expect to get paid you need to have a portfolio of high quality images that show you have experience and are capable of producing quality images. You only have four images in your portfolio that are of poor quality. No one is going to pay to work with you when you have a portfolio like that. You should consider working with experienced photographers on a trade basis in order to get quality images for your port and to gain more experience. Sep 08 13 03:30 pm Link You have a good look but not the experience for a paid shoot. Sep 08 13 03:30 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: He may have replied thinking that he could convince you to do a trade shoot. His question was valid when he asked for references from three photographers that have paid to work with you. Since he was not impressed by your portfolio he wants to get some first hand opinions from other people you have worked with. Sep 08 13 03:32 pm Link Top Gun Digital wrote: I am actually working on that, had two shoots here and have a few lined up with exceptional photographers in Miami, who only shoot agency models and shoot for fashion magazines, so I am very happy that they want to shoot me, but when a bad photographer answers my travel notice that says "paid shoots starting at $35 and hour" I am not going to do a TF work with him for bad photos. Sep 08 13 03:33 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: Even though you list prices, it's still valid to ask why. If you don't have anything to show to, how could someone possibly hire you? It's like applying to a "normal" job without a cv... Sep 08 13 03:34 pm Link Move on to photographers that will pay you. It might just be gwc's though since your images aren't good or even okay right now. Edit: Saw what you just posted. Post those photos first before you post a travel notice. The photographer doesn't see any potential until you post at least one quality image. Sep 08 13 03:35 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: If you don't want to shoot with the photographer... Why the hell did you start this forum? Sep 08 13 03:35 pm Link Tomas Kibsgaard Larsen wrote: Is it impossible for a photographer to shoot a model with no experience and not great photos? I thought photographers were suppose to be creative, give guidance, etc. Sep 08 13 03:36 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: Top Gun Digital wrote: So you have bad photos too and you expect him to pay you. Sep 08 13 03:37 pm Link Tomas Kibsgaard Larsen wrote: I started this to get other peoples opinion Sep 08 13 03:37 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: If you are working on it you are going in the right direction. As others have mentioned, there are plenty of highly experienced models out there with great portfolios and they are going to get the paid work until you have a portfolio that is comparable. The reality is that there is a great deal of competition in modeling and you really have to stand out to make any money. Sep 08 13 03:37 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: It is very normal to shoot models with no experience, but generally they don't get paid... Sep 08 13 03:38 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: You want to be paid for modeling with no experience?? Sep 08 13 03:38 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: But why make all this fuzz if you weren't even going to shoot with him? Sep 08 13 03:39 pm Link If this photographer is so bad at photography, why do you care what he does or doesn't want to compensate you with? Your first reply should have been "No thanks" but you seemed to want to argue with him and are now dealing with hurt feelings due to the fact that he gave you a reality check. A simple "I understand your reservations but I am seeking paid work regardless to help defer travelling costs" would have solved all your problems quite succinctly. And please be careful with these so-called agency/fashion mag photographers who you say you've booked gigs with. For the same reason the photographer in question doesn't want to pay you, you should be questioning why these photographers DO want to pay you. Sep 08 13 03:39 pm Link I think that the photographers correspondence could bit more polite, but his point is valid. You have only a few images in your portfolio and they are all selfies or very amateur shots. If I photographer is going to pay a model, it is for professional expertise and you need images showing your abilities. Just because your are attractive doesn't mean you can model and your pictures scream that you are inexperienced. I don't know of any good photographer that would hire you from these shots. I would strongly suggest that you approach some talented photographers whose portfolio you like and request a test shoot, to build up your modeling portfolio. You are a lovely lady and I am sure that you can do well once your have some experience and images to showcase your abilities. If an agency picked you up that would send your straight to a staff photographer and wouldn't pay you for that shoot. I hope that you enjoy your stay in Miami and best of success to you in pursuit of a career in modeling. Sep 08 13 03:39 pm Link Hi_Spade Photography wrote: PamelaDilara wrote: Top Gun Digital wrote: So you have bad photos too and you expect him to pay you. I am not about to do a trade shoot with a bad photographer Sep 08 13 03:40 pm Link Mark C Smith wrote: True, this... ^^^^^^^^^^ Sep 08 13 03:40 pm Link Ignore it. He ignored what you said, now you ignore him, both of you get on with your lives. Sep 08 13 03:42 pm Link Photo Artistic Savannah wrote: Tha's not what I was saying, I am saying, that I have some TF shoots scheduled with some well known agency photographers that also shoot for magazines Sep 08 13 03:42 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: Hi_Spade Photography wrote: PamelaDilara wrote: Top Gun Digital wrote: So you have bad photos too and you expect him to pay you. I am not about to do a trade shoot with a bad photographer Maybe the "bad photographer" is not about to pay a new inexperienced model with bad pics. Sep 08 13 03:42 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: It's possible, but you have to see it from the photographers point of view. If I am going to pay a model I might as well shoot with one that has experience since it will be easier for me and I will probably get better images. If I shoot with a less experienced model that I have to direct every step of the way it's just added work for me. Knowing how to pose and being creative is something that most photographers expect from an experienced model and that is part of what they are paying for. If I am providing all the direction and all the creativity I'm actually doing almost all of the work. In this case why do I want to pay someone to do a job when I am doing most of their job for them. Sep 08 13 03:43 pm Link That's why you need to post one or two quality images before you start posting about getting paid. Not say you have done this, you need proof for photographers to care. The only time I see photographers not care about paying a model with no experience is when you say you'll do nudes. Sep 08 13 03:44 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: A Pro Photographer's "job" is to get PAID to create pictures of and for people. NOT to train you. That is a teacher's job. Go to modeling school. Sep 08 13 03:44 pm Link Top Gun Digital wrote: Sep 08 13 03:46 pm Link Innovative Imagery wrote: Agreed! Sep 08 13 03:46 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: That's why you do TFP. I would never pay an inexperienced model that I would have to "train" and my clients wouldn't stand for it either. A model gets paid for her abilities. Sep 08 13 03:47 pm Link Forget it and go on. I remember how thrilled I was the first time I made money as a photographer. You do however need a lot better portfolio than you have posted. Some non cell phone shots would be a good place to start. Sep 08 13 03:48 pm Link I have paid many models that I knew could produce good images because of their experience. Sep 08 13 03:48 pm Link PamelaDilara wrote: you're travel notice also says you're being sarcastic, after that it is very difficult to be taken seriously. Sep 08 13 03:49 pm Link |
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