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Green Grape
Posts: 286
West Paterson, New Jersey, US


I always get the 'jokes' thrown my way because of my age. Models seem to expect me to be "Some 40 yr old gray hair" (sounds kinda harsh for others) then the complete social personalities come out which i LOVE for the energy of the shoot. seems like a sign of: Relief?

Do you try imagining what your photographer may look like before you meet up?
Do you always expect a mature photographer?
Are you comfortable with older, younger, or doesn't matter?

Just asking.
Sep 09 13 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
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sospix
Posts: 21,343
Orlando, Florida, US


Gawd I hope not  .  .  .  I'm old as dirt, and look & smell like a bridge ogre  .  .  .  wink

SOS
Sep 09 13 09:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,525
Muncie, Indiana, US


I have shot with photographers that were in their 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. I never guess but half the time I am given a picture of them beforehand so I know what to expect. It makes no difference at all to me. Talent is talent.
Sep 09 13 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
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Rudolph Uhlman Photo
Posts: 164
Pendleton, Oregon, US


I think in this day and age if you haven't seen a photo of the photographer you are going to shoot with you probably shouldn't shoot with them.  This should be part of every model's photographer background check, along with their real name, phone number, email, and physical address of the shoot location.
Sep 09 13 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


Rudolph Uhlman Photo wrote:
I think in this day and age if you haven't seen a photo of the photographer you are going to shoot with you probably shouldn't shoot with them.  This should be part of every model's photographer background check, along with their real name, phone number, email, and physical address of the shoot location.

Why don't you post in the model forum asking how many models ask for or search for the photographer's picture as a background check. smile

The majority of the models I've shot with didn't even bother running a check on me with models I'd shot with before, let alone ask for my bleedin' picture.

Sep 09 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
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TRPn Pics
Posts: 10,431
Andrews, North Carolina, US


Rudolph Uhlman Photo wrote:
I think in this day and age if you haven't seen a photo of the photographer you are going to shoot with you probably shouldn't shoot with them.  This should be part of every model's photographer background check, along with their real name, phone number, email, and physical address of the shoot location.

Ok... what exactly does how a photographer looks have to do with the quality of his/her work not to mention whether or not they are legit?

Sep 09 13 09:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-fpc-
Posts: 596
Port Chester, New York, US


wondered this myself the other day

pretty sure they are disappointed when I show up
if they do
Sep 09 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,103
New York, New York, US


One day you will be 40.
smile
Sep 09 13 10:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Erin Dawson Photography
Posts: 334
Buffalo, New York, US


Back when I modeled, I never gave it much thought. It didn't matter to me at all.

My model friends now don't seem to care what the photographer looks like, only the quality of work and how they're treated during a shoot.
Sep 09 13 10:15 am  Link  Quote 
Model
B R E N N A N
Posts: 4,130
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Green Grape  wrote:
I always get the 'jokes' thrown my way because of my age. Models seem to expect me to be "Some 40 yr old gray hair" (sounds kinda harsh for others) then the complete social personalities come out which i LOVE for the energy of the shoot. seems like a sign of: Relief?

Do you try imagining what your photographer may look like before you meet up?
Do you always expect a mature photographer?
Are you comfortable with older, younger, or doesn't matter?

Just asking.

You must work with some really stupid models then, since your age is the second phrase in your bio. wink

Age doesn't matter for me; respect and skill do. But yes, I'll admit that I have been surprised on occasion by a photographer being younger than I expected.

Sep 09 13 10:15 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,103
New York, New York, US


B R E N N A N wrote:

You must work with some really stupid models then, since your age is the second phrase in your bio. wink

Age doesn't matter for me; respect and skill do. But yes, I'll admit that I have been surprised on occasion by a photographer being younger than I expected.

Damn straight.

Sep 09 13 10:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Miss Havisham Studios
Posts: 287
Los Angeles, California, US


A better follow up, I think, is "So where is your photo?" Curious since you think 40 y.o. grey hairs somehow have less of an appeal.
Sep 09 13 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rudolph Uhlman Photo
Posts: 164
Pendleton, Oregon, US


Drew Smith Photography wrote:

Why don't you post in the model forum asking how many models ask for or search for the photographer's picture as a background check. smile

The majority of the models I've shot with didn't even bother running a check on me with models I'd shot with before, let alone ask for my bleedin' picture.

Weather or not a model does a "background check" on a photographer is her business. However it should be part of the check if they do one.

TRPn Pics wrote:
Ok... what exactly does how a photographer looks have to do with the quality of his/her work not to mention whether or not they are legit?

You are correct knowing what a photog looks like has nothing to do whatsoever with the quality of their work. But if you can't find a photo of them anywhere then who is to say they really exist?

Sep 09 13 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,189
New York, New York, US


Rudolph Uhlman Photo wrote:
I think in this day and age if you haven't seen a photo of the photographer you are going to shoot with you probably shouldn't shoot with them.  This should be part of every model's photographer background check, along with their real name, phone number, email, and physical address of the shoot location.

Agreed on all but the photo.  I see no objection to it, but I see no real reason for it either.  It's axiomatic that successful rapists, bank robbers, ax murderers, etc don't look like rapists, bank robbers, ax murderers, etc.  If they did, they wouldn't be very successful.

If anything, the sweet young things that don't do a proper due diligence would, I think, be inclined to distrust a perfectly safe chubby, balding grampa but would have no qualms about going anywhere with a sexy, young movie-star lookalike.  And for that matter, what's to prevent the grampa using the movie-star's picture, anyway?  Stranger things have been known to happen.

Interesting to note that your photo doesn't appear on either your web page or your MM page.---Makes one wonder, doesn't it? wink

All IMHO as always, of coursel.

Sep 09 13 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Reid
Posts: 4,264
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


I imagine what everyone on the Internet looks like. When talking to a photographer, I have this thought in my head and I'm usually wrong. Honestly I couldn't care less what he looks like as long as he makes me look good
Sep 09 13 10:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Green Grape
Posts: 286
West Paterson, New Jersey, US


Ha, yes I will be 40 someday & much more experienced. So I'm not worried about that.
I.wouldnt refer to the models as 'stupid'
But I do love models who know how to give that Stupid Look in front of the camera: so natural
Sep 09 13 11:16 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JadeDRed
Posts: 5,432
London, England, United Kingdom


Danielle Reid wrote:
I imagine what everyone on the Internet looks like.

I imagine them all sexy.

Sep 09 13 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rudolph Uhlman Photo
Posts: 164
Pendleton, Oregon, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:
Agreed on all but the photo.  I see no objection to it, but I see no real reason for it either.  It's axiomatic that successful rapists, bank robbers, ax murderers, etc don't look like rapists, bank robbers, ax murderers, etc.  If they did, they wouldn't be very successful.

If anything, the sweet young things that don't do a proper due diligence would, I think, be inclined to distrust a perfectly safe chubby, balding grampa but would have no qualms about going anywhere with a sexy, young movie-star lookalike.  And for that matter, what's to prevent the grampa using the movie-star's picture, anyway?  Stranger things have been known to happen.

Interesting to note that your photo doesn't appear on either your web page or your MM page.---Makes one wonder, doesn't it? wink

All IMHO as always, of coursel.

I agree that in the grand scheme of things knowing what a service provider looks like means nothing to what I have hired them to do, however I like to know what that person looks like. I like being able to put a face to a name. 

Not that it really matters, but they both do, here are the links, website and the image captioned Self portrait in the men gallery of my MM portfolio. I am also on Facebook which we all know is a bastion of privacy and anonymity.

Sep 09 13 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 4,079
Los Angeles, California, US


I do not pre-imagine my photographer. They are grey, featureless humanoids of roughly male or female form until I see them.
Sep 09 13 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Laura Bello
Posts: 1,517
Rochester, New York, US


I'm young with blue and purple hair and tattoos, I'm sure I've surprised at least someone :p
Sep 09 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sospix
Posts: 21,343
Orlando, Florida, US


IDiivil wrote:
I do not pre-imagine my photographer. They are grey, featureless humanoids of roughly male or female form until I see them.

Ahhhhhhhh, so ya DID see my pic somewhere  .  .  .  wink

SOS

Sep 09 13 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Erin Dawson Photography
Posts: 334
Buffalo, New York, US


Miss Havisham Studios wrote:
A better follow up, I think, is "So where is your photo?" Curious since you think 40 y.o. grey hairs somehow have less of an appeal.

Salt & Pepper is very hot on a man.

Sep 09 13 12:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WoodrowMasonPhotography
Posts: 62
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Chemistry is always helpful in a shoot, however the age of the photographer shouldn't be a determining factor is a great shoot or whether a model is comfortable. Some of the very best international photographers I know are in the 50-80's...any model that wouldn't want to shoot with them due to their age is ignorant. Why does it matter the age, sex or physical appearance of a photographer??? Personally I would be offended if a model stated they were comfortable with me because of my age or looks... my quality of work, professionalism, creativity and interpersonal skills are what are important to me as a photographer and should be to any professional model as well. It obviously is important to you as you state your age at the very beginning of your profile and then created the post.
Sep 09 13 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BlueMoonPics
Posts: 4,344
New York, New York, US


Erin Dawson Photography wrote:

Salt & Pepper is very hot on a man.

How you doin'? big_smile

Sep 09 13 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kelleth
Posts: 2,523
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I usually create a rough idea in my mind of what I expect the person to look like, based on interactions. I'm usually pretty good at guessing the person's age sometimes based only on messages exchanged. Sometimes I accurately predict what they'll look like, other times I'm WAY off the mark. It's good fun!
Sep 09 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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nyk fury
Posts: 2,918
Port Townsend, Washington, US


IDiivil wrote:
I do not pre-imagine my photographer. They are grey, featureless humanoids of roughly male or female form until I see them.

i begin and end as a grey, featureless hominid. it's the camera that matters. oh, and the model.

Sep 09 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Green Grape
Posts: 286
West Paterson, New Jersey, US


WoodrowMasonPhotography wrote:
Personally I would be offended if a model stated they were comfortable with me because of my age or looks... It obviously is important to you as you state your age at the very beginning of your profile and then created the post.

Getting offended would be way out of character for me. After several converses with models, i stated my age even tho it seems to seem as if no one reads my page.(?) Therefore, this post was created. Not big deal. Its interesting to find out what models  think, expect, look-for and See.

Sep 09 13 12:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
FallenEcho
Posts: 1,177
Escondido, California, US


When I fist started out I used to try and imagine what the photographer looks like. After working with so many different people I no longer feel the need to try and figure it out.
Sep 09 13 12:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Solas
Posts: 9,486
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Lotta people seem to think I'm a lot older than I am, so I posted some vanity pics
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130618/19/51c11719b75e8_m.jpg
Now i get told by models I look 16 sad

can't win eh
Sep 09 13 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,669
Salinas, California, US


Imagining what I look like?  I look like Patrick Walberg, who sorta looks like a younger Robin Williams.  Next question?
Sep 09 13 01:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Green Grape
Posts: 286
West Paterson, New Jersey, US


Karl Johnston wrote:
Lotta people seem to think I'm a lot older than I am, so I posted some vanity pics

Now i get told by models I look 16 sad

can't win eh

same here.
Even when i take my own kids to chuck'e cheese the employee asks where are your parents. My facial hairs need to kick in haha not (only happened once this year)

Sep 09 13 01:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Hikari Tech Photography
Posts: 791
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Jules NYC wrote:
One day you will be 40.
smile

...and then what? Warranty issues? sad

Sep 09 13 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Hikari Tech Photography
Posts: 791
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


IDiivil wrote:
I do not pre-imagine my photographer. They are grey, featureless humanoids of roughly male or female form until I see them.

Describes me perfectly on most winter mornings... somewhat a tangled mess within the sheets trying to find a way out in search of my PRECIOUS, where is my precious cappuccino?! hmm

Sep 09 13 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,369
San Ramon, California, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:

Agreed on all but the photo.  I see no objection to it, but I see no real reason for it either.  It's axiomatic that successful rapists, bank robbers, ax murderers, etc don't look like rapists, bank robbers, ax murderers, etc.  If they did, they wouldn't be very successful.

Exactly why I changed careers.

Sep 09 13 01:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,491
San Diego, California, US


Green Grape  wrote:
I always get the 'jokes' thrown my way because of my age. Models seem to expect me to be "Some 40 yr old gray hair" (sounds kinda harsh for others) then the complete social personalities come out which i LOVE for the energy of the shoot. seems like a sign of: Relief?

Do you try imagining what your photographer may look like before you meet up?
Do you always expect a mature photographer?
Are you comfortable with older, younger, or doesn't matter?

Just asking.

What difference does your age matter to you?

That seems to be more to the point here.


Do you think it's cool, or do you think your age adversely affects your credibility?

Or is it your way of drawing attention to yourself other than by the quality of your work?


In the final analysis, people come to us for the quality of the work we produce, regardless of age.

I think saying "yeah, but I'm only 25" is not going to give you much of a sympathy-advantage unless you are trying to advertise yourself as something other than a photographer. If you want to be an escort or gigolo on the side, then advertising yourself as 25 might give you an advantage over the rank and file demographics for typical photographers.

If lack of age is an important issue for you, then 15 years goes by in a blink and you will soon be able to tell everyone you are 40. Then 55, etc.

If you were an 8 year old prodigy who is competing with adults, then there might be some merit in marketing yourself that way. At 25 you are already an adult competing with adults, so personally I would drop that as an attempt to draw attention to yourself.

Take more photos. Outperform everyone else. That's the key to greater recognition as a photographer.

Sep 09 13 01:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dave McDermott
Posts: 414
Coill Dubh, Kildare, Ireland


A few models I've met expected me to be older and were a bit surprised when they first saw me. Most don't really care though. I know some excellent photographers who are still teenagers so it doesn't matter.
Sep 09 13 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54,145
Buena Park, California, US


Can one post-guess?
Sep 09 13 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38,192
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


JadeDRed wrote:

I imagine them all sexy.

The only post in this thread that matters

Sep 09 13 02:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54,145
Buena Park, California, US


TRPn Pics wrote:

Ok... what exactly does how a photographer looks have to do with the quality of his/her work not to mention whether or not they are legit?

Might be an Oregon thing.  They have lots of forests to disappear in.

Sep 09 13 02:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,689
Dearborn, Michigan, US


JadeDRed wrote:

I imagine them all sexy.

big_smile

Sep 09 13 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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