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FitzMulti - Las Vegas
Posts: 1,474
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Grow a pair, and just be direct.
There are 1001 ways to get your point across nicely...
Sep 11 13 01:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Caitin Bre
Posts: 1,798
Naperville, Illinois, US


PictureItYakima wrote:
I just kind of just spill it out when we're taking our first test shots.
"Okay here we go. Ready? Stomach in boobs out!  Lets go. 
Click, click.
I usually get a laugh.

^this works^

Sep 11 13 02:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MR J Photography
Posts: 174
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


I just tell them the truth..."No worries, you look fantastic!"  .....this one goes to the Photoshop pile.
Sep 11 13 02:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 359
Odenton, Maryland, US


V Nixie wrote:
Talk about it in terms of their core. Engage it or harden it. It's a good thing for everyone really.

This is what I usually say^^^

"Tighten your core, raise your heart, etc."

Sep 11 13 10:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,119
Orlando, Florida, US


If the girl is thin, and it's just sloppy posing, or she loses concentration, I usually say "suck it in, fatty".  They usually laugh a little and realize that they weren't doing what they were supposed to.

If the girl is not thin, and it's through no fault of her posing, I say something like "be tall" or "extend your body up".  About half understand it the first time, the other half get it explained once and then the rest of the shoot know exactly what I'm asking.
Sep 11 13 10:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CBAPhoto
Posts: 247
Sparks, Nevada, US


My standard is, "Pull the tummy and give me a proud chest."

Never had a complaint. smile
Sep 11 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ms Rose
Posts: 11
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


I recently had an older photographer tell me "Suck in your gut!" It caught me off guard, but I was in no way offended. I was glad he was noticing that detail before snapping away and coming back with images that were less than flattering!
Sep 11 13 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,643
New York, New York, US


Anyone that 'has' a gut/tummy and is hurt/offended to be told to suck it in shouldn't be in this business.
Sep 11 13 12:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dave McDermott
Posts: 259
Coill Dubh, Kildare, Ireland


"Suck in that tummy" seems polite enough to me. I'd be more concerned about asking a model to reveal or conceal her breasts. What's the best way to say that?
Sep 11 13 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jorge Kreimer
Posts: 2,228
Los Angeles, California, US


I say: "Watch the tummy."
Sep 11 13 01:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Silver Mirage
Posts: 1,554
Plainview, Texas, US


I just say it, trying for a light and joking tone - "suck in your tummy" the first time, just "tummy" after that. I've never had anyone get offended, and most laugh a little.

Sometime I use "Do like your momma told you - back straight, stomach in, chest out."

Sometimes I have to do some specific coaching on how to hold the spine and pelvis for best shape. It pretty much always gets a laugh when I demonstrate, given that I'm a 5-4 guy with a 38 inch waist.
Sep 11 13 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miss Morbid Kitty
Posts: 88
Orangeville, Ontario, Canada


Just say it. I tell my photographers this all the time. I'd rather be told to suck it in rather than seeing a picture after the shoot that I'm unhappy with because of something I did or didn't do. Then again I have no delusions about my body...If she looks hurt or self conscious after saying this you could always try to work something in like "I just want you to really love how you look in these shots"

The results are what matter to me,and I'm sure other models feel the same. I read a similar story on DeviantArt awhile back about a photographer spotting a hair growing out of the model's neck. She brushed the model's hair over her ear and pulled the unwanted neck hair out and said "oh my god I'm so sorry I didn't realize that was attached!" The model exclaimed "that was attached! I can't believe I missed that, thank you so much it would have been so embarrassing to be photographed with that!"

I don't suggest touching or pulling hairs out models of course, but that story proves that it's the photos at the end that matter the most. If your model has something making her look less than perfect, chances are she'd rather hear it than see it in the finished photos.
Sep 11 13 02:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miss Morbid Kitty
Posts: 88
Orangeville, Ontario, Canada


Dave McDermott wrote:
"Suck in that tummy" seems polite enough to me. I'd be more concerned about asking a model to reveal or conceal her breasts. What's the best way to say that?

LOL I giggle when photographers stammer trying to tell me too much or too little is exposed! You just gotta say it! The best way is to have a very comfortable yet professional relationship established with your model right from the get go. Talk together before shooting and it'll be easier to say "I'm getting a little too much nipple in that pose" or "could you just show a little side boob" or the greatest "think you can really press your breasts against your chest to get that big round look?" lol Being able to openly communicate with each other makes for a really relaxed and fun shoot while still keeping a professional attitude. smile

Sep 11 13 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ali Choudhry Photo
Posts: 176
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


With experienced models I simply tell them to suck in the belly.

With newer models, I shoot one or two without telling them. Then I tell them to suck it in and shoot a couple that way.
I show them the difference it makes on the LCD and they almost always prefer the sucked in look... Then I give them tips on how to do it better as well as telling them to tense the body and relax the face.

I generally work with male models though so not sure how much would apply to females.
Sep 11 13 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Cynthia Serrano
Posts: 12,466
Newark, New Jersey, US


Danielle Reid wrote:
"Suck in that gut"

If she cries then she's not woman enough

this ^ models that have a little belly should already have sucking it in down packed lol

Sep 11 13 05:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SME
Posts: 20,853
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


Natural Means wrote:
Without that hurt look thing that girls do.

I usually holler, "Tummy in, tits out!"

Honestly.

You're not saying they're fat and ugly.  Just giving directions to optimize a photo.  Nothing to be sensitive about.

Sep 12 13 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,863
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Natural Means wrote:
Without that hurt look thing that girls do.

"raise your navel" or "try to not let your abdomen sink down, lift your abdomen above your hip bones" however, that just might make sense to only me

Jen

Sep 12 13 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vintagevista
Posts: 10,594
Sun City, California, US


"make yourself tall"

"Arch your back and pull in your stomach"

These work as well as anything.
Sep 12 13 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Vixen Minerva
Posts: 26
Wolverhampton, England, United Kingdom


As a fairly new model, I'd prefer straight to the point rather than skirting around the issue...but then, I'm 35, have 5 children and under no illusions that my gut needs pulling in big_smile
Sep 14 13 01:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David J Martin
Posts: 455
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


I've seen very thin women look like they have a big tummy by the pose and angle of the shot. If they model frequently, they should be aware of this too. They can't see how they look and expect you to give good direction and catch things like this so they look good. If they get hurt by you telling them, "Suck in your tummy," just know thats the level of inexperience they're at.

Anecdotally, I had a portrait with my wife and our first baby right after my wife gave birth. Her stretch marks were well defined and very redish. The photographer never told her lower your shirt a little, your stretch marks are showing. I thought it was a good picture. Good facial expressions, everyone looking at the camera, good background, good exposure. The only thing my wife saw was the stretch marks. She wanted to throw away the picture and we didn't order any more prints or recomend the guy. I know now after getting into photography that it was the photographer's fault. He should given direction at theshoot and certainly never given us the prints after the fact and offered a reshoot, but I know better now.

Trust me when I say let them know while shooting, they should appreciate the favor.
Sep 14 13 02:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
narie
Posts: 102
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


"Suck in the tummy" is just fine, its not offensive. I'd rather be reminded when I'm focusing on other parts of my body smile Though I remember a lot more now!

I was joking about this with a photographer friend a while back - the difference of tummy suck! We took a couple shots to test the difference. (I did suck in a lot just to show the extreme difference wink)

http://imageshack.com/scaled/800x600/593/fnfo.jpg

Definitely wouldn't want shots coming back with the little pudge! Oh god >.< Would definitely rather be told!
Sep 14 13 04:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


"Give me some RIBS!"

Seems to work most of the time.





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com
Sep 14 13 05:26 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E L I N
Posts: 199
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


That Italian Guy wrote:
"Give me some RIBS!"

Seems to work most of the time.





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Funny, someone told me exacty this advice for the first time today and it worked perfectly and made even more sense than a blatant "suck it in".

Sep 14 13 10:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,769
New York, New York, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
"Try not to look so pregnant!"

big_smile

Sep 14 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PR Zone
Posts: 727
London, England, United Kingdom


SME wrote:
I usually holler, "Tummy in, tits out"

I'm literally crying with laughter at the idea of you trying this at a kids party :-)

Sep 15 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PR Zone
Posts: 727
London, England, United Kingdom


I'd normally take a shot, realise that they needed to 'breathe in' and ask them to do just that, without breaking pose...

...then show the the before/after shots on the back of the camera

Once they see the difference, they 'tune in' and every pose jumps up a notch
Sep 15 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dave McDermott
Posts: 259
Coill Dubh, Kildare, Ireland


This guy seems to have a good way of saying it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALoWbSsC-pU
Sep 15 13 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
FredSugar
Posts: 208
Dallas, Texas, US


Natural Means wrote:
Without that hurt look thing that girls do.

That is exactly what I say, just say it nicely.  Most models know if they have a tummy or not.  It isn't an insult, anymore than when you tell them to raise their neck, or to stretch out their torso to improve their lines for a photo.

Sep 15 13 11:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
FredSugar
Posts: 208
Dallas, Texas, US


That Italian Guy wrote:
"Give me some RIBS!"

Seems to work most of the time.





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

I like this one, I will give it a shot next shoot smile

Sep 15 13 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


PictureItYakima wrote:
I just kind of just spill it out when we're taking our first test shots.
"Okay here we go. Ready? Stomach in boobs out!  Lets go. 
Click, click.
I usually get a laugh.

This is great! xD

Other than that, "Pull up" seems to work well.

Sep 16 13 02:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Miss Morbid Kitty wrote:
LOL I giggle when photographers stammer trying to tell me too much or too little is exposed! You just gotta say it! The best way is to have a very comfortable yet professional relationship established with your model right from the get go. Talk together before shooting and it'll be easier to say "I'm getting a little too much nipple in that pose" or "could you just show a little side boob" or the greatest "think you can really press your breasts against your chest to get that big round look?" lol Being able to openly communicate with each other makes for a really relaxed and fun shoot while still keeping a professional attitude. smile

LOL, right? Just come out and say it if something fell out, and I didn't notice. x-P

Sep 16 13 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Madeleine Moore
Posts: 49
Los Angeles, California, US


You are getting some really good ideas here!

Whatever you say, just be nice and/or funny about it and the model will be sure to appreciate it!
Sep 16 13 09:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Laura Bello
Posts: 1,210
Rochester, New York, US


I'm honestly scared to ask this in any way cause I just found out two of the models I've worked with regularly have had eating disorders in the past hmm I don't wanna do anything to make that worse and I'm worried someone else now might have body image issues and I'm just gonna send them into a shame spiral if I say something. 

That being said sucking in your gut makes to look so much better and I feel like it's an easy trick to make a model look better in certain poses without them having to be dangerously thin.
Sep 16 13 10:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miroslava Svoboda
Posts: 555
Seattle, Washington, US


Ariadne Photography wrote:
I don't wanna do anything to make that worse and I'm worried someone else now might have body image issues and I'm just gonna send them into a shame spiral if I say something.

Technically they don't suck it in, more like flex their stomach muscles. Same as flexing ones arm as opposed to having it straight and limp. It gives form and definition. Choose a phrase that would sound more positive like "work those muscles" if you're worried over how they are going to take it. smile

Sep 16 13 10:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SG-4 Photography
Posts: 119
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Your belly is in the way.....make it disappear....okay.....good...hooolld...hoooolddd....awesome....go have a celery stalk while I set up for the next shot....
Sep 16 13 10:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kirst
Posts: 513
Manchester, New Hampshire, US


i never have an issue with someone saying "suck it in" ooh that sounds dirty but you know what i mean.
anyway i have met other models (skinny ones who aren't used to hearing it! but we all have to suck in a bit) who didn't react well to hearing that.
i think a good way to say it is to mesh it with some other directions:for example:
shoulders back, stomach in, eyes out here, etc
Sep 26 13 09:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Janine Valentine
Posts: 65
Oakland, California, US


"Tighten the abs" works.

I honestly get so annoyed if a photographer doesn't tell me if a hair is out of place or if it looks like I'm 2 months pregnant because of a weird angle. Almost everyone has a little bit of a tummy pooch if arched incorrectly and/or semi-new to posing.

I've noticed that female photographers are far more inclined to say something, where as male photogs will usually just keep it quiet. Kinda wish everyone would just be cut and dry. If a model has an issue with criticism then they probably should consider a different industry to work in.
Sep 27 13 12:16 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lin Mei
Posts: 133
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


I think it's fine to say it directly. Even really skinny girls have to be aware. I'm a size zero and I've had it said to me directly and honestly, I appreciate it! Gets us through the shoot faster and I don't want unflattering photos of me floating around!
Sep 27 13 12:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,384
Upland, California, US


Whats the nicest way to say "suck in that tummy"?

Inhale!... wink
Sep 27 13 01:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,974
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Any experienced model will be used to it and prefer 'chin up's and 'tummy in' to bad shots. When contorting ones body sometimes other things like tummy and chin may 'give' so we will want to be reminded rather than give a bad shot. This is part of modelling it is a simple instruction we know you don't mean we are fat. It is no different to being told to wipe lipstick off teeth or point a leg.
Sep 27 13 02:35 am  Link  Quote 
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