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Raphael747
Posts: 3
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Hi, i love this skin effect but im wondering how do i get this kind of effect ?
Maybe a gaussian effect but what else ?
any ideas ?

Thx

Raphaël

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltq2l … 1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltq2r … 1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2097 … 1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6zvy … 1_1280.jpg
Sep 10 13 04:52 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


If you want to wipe out skin texture, surface blur is a better choice than Gaussian blur.
Sep 10 13 05:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DalssPhotography
Posts: 66
Prague, Prague, Czech Republic


I am not much of a fan of these smooth skin /no texture styles, but the way to achieve it... if you like it:

1) Set up a curves layer (push the curve high to dodge).

2) Set up a second curves layer (push the curve down to burn/darken)

3) Create a mask for each and make sure its black.

4) Paint highlights and shades in the masks (accentuate the existing ones mostly), or change them if you want to... Note in these images that there are strong highlights and shadows in the legs (those are painted).

(If you don't get steps 1 to 4, google Dodge and Burn and you will get this technique or an equivalent one).

5) At this point you can do the ugly trick, pass a surface blur on top of it. The previous steps were made to compensate the loss of contrast that follows the surface blur. You might want to pass small amount of sharpening in another layer.

At this point you have your smooth, skin with minimal detail... (repeat steps 1 to 4) if you want to.

6) Proceed with final toning.

I believe however that in these images, the appeal comes from the color tones, and the large scale highlights and shadow contrasts through skin zones... not necessarily the excessive smoothness of the skin.
Sep 10 13 06:03 am  Link  Quote 
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,632
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Actually that really looks like an Alienskin4 film effect, on of the retro/smooth ones.
Sep 10 13 06:09 am  Link  Quote 
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My_Twin_Sister
Posts: 119
Taizhou, Jiangsu, China


I prefer the imagenomics plugin. Nice for touch ups.
Sep 10 13 06:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,096
New York, New York, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Actually that really looks like an Alienskin4 film effect, on of the retro/smooth ones.

I concur...it does have that effect.

Sep 10 13 06:42 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


My_Twin_Sister wrote:
I prefer the imagenomics plugin. Nice for touch ups.

Yep, that's a good option for this effect.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8479/y4m3.jpg

Sep 10 13 06:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Raphael747
Posts: 3
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Thanks for answering !

I think your are right ! the appeal much comes from the tone color.
So what is the color effect ? cross process ?
For the shadows and highlights it seems the photo was taken with flash in fill-in mode isn't it ?

The plug-in seems to work great !! i'll try .
Sep 10 13 07:18 am  Link  Quote 
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,632
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Raphael747 wrote:
Thanks for answering !

I think your are right ! the appeal much comes from the tone color.
So what is the color effect ? cross process ?
For the shadows and highlights it seems the photo was taken with flash in fill-in mode isn't it ?

The plug-in seems to work great !! i'll try .

It's a series of curves, you can see that in the aliens kin plug in or do it yourself - minus the smoothing

I don't know how much fill was used on some,  it's very direct day light around the golden hour(s), could simply be a reflector

Sep 10 13 07:20 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
LightFeatherRetouch
Posts: 368
Prague, Prague, Czech Republic


Raphael747 wrote:
Thanks for answering !

I think your are right ! the appeal much comes from the tone color.
So what is the color effect ? cross process ?
For the shadows and highlights it seems the photo was taken with flash in fill-in mode isn't it ?

The plug-in seems to work great !! i'll try .

Color tones can be achieved in many ways, I usually combine them, and you often have to go zone by zone:

1) Curves (changing color channels individually).

2) Painting on an empty layer in Color mode (or sometimes soft light), with low opacity if SL blend.

3) Black and white adjustment layer, with a tint color, set to Color mode. (This one is useful mostly for certain zones) and often with very low opacity.

4) HS layer, both colorize or not option, this ones allows you to control saturation as well. As usually low opacity is needed.

Achieving color tones is more than changing a color, you only arrive where you want to get if you consider and adjust all 3 dimensions (Hue, saturation, brightness). That means changing the color, adjusting its saturation level and dodge and burn for brightness level (zone by zone).

Sep 10 13 09:24 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Raphael747 wrote:
So what is the color effect ? cross process ?

Yes. One curves adjustment layer did it for this image.

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/torso2_zps54e677d3.gif

Sep 10 13 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Raphael747
Posts: 3
Paris, Île-de-France, France


thanks a lot guys !!!
Sep 10 13 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


Sep 10 13 10:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


My_Twin_Sister wrote:
I prefer the imagenomics plugin. Nice for touch ups.
Peano wrote:
Yep, that's a good option for this effect.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8479/y4m3.jpg

I don't stay up to date with all the software available, including this particular cut. The correction you made to the chest skin... that was from an automated process using canned software?

Sep 10 13 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Julian Marsalis
Posts: 1,191
Austin, Texas, US


Sep 11 13 07:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Julian Marsalis wrote:
http://imagenomic.com/pt.aspx

This is probably going to upset the beauty/glamour retouch crowd, but why in the world would you need a DVD tutorial on skin when you can get results like that with the push of a button. Granted, there are a few leftover artifacts to be dealt with, but for the most part the job is pretty much done.

Color me confused, because I see very little difference between the final product of this plug in, and the samples provided in the folios here.

Sep 11 13 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PitchBlack
Posts: 71
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


I gotta say, the software does seem to do a good job at the edges. Still, $200 is pretty steep. I made an IHP action that takes a second to run, then since I did it with a smart object, I can adjust the radii to taste after the fact and move right in working with the mask. If I'm pressed, I can do a "quick and dirty" IHP with some localized color balance adjustments in just a couple of minutes, which is never ideal, but I don't need to hand it off to a program that probably won't get me there any faster. Heck, you can even duplicate the layer, readjust the parameters and mask. Depending on how tough the stain is you need to get out, you can use as much or as little detergent as you need without blowing a couple of hundred bucks on something that works using the same principles. $200 is 20 months of photoshop smile
Sep 11 13 08:53 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Robert Randall wrote:
I don't stay up to date with all the software available, including this particular cut. The correction you made to the chest skin... that was from an automated process using canned software?

Yes. Two or three minutes healing out the larger blemishes, then Portraiture (another three to five minutes tweaking those sliders).

Sep 11 13 09:13 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


mark polo wrote:
I gotta say, the software does seem to do a good job at the edges. Still, $200 is pretty steep.

It's all relative. People who seem to get the most for their money out of this plug-in are commercial photogs who do a fairly high volume of work (weddings and such). In that game, if you can save hours of post time using a plug-in, that can pay for the plug-in in pretty short order.

Sep 11 13 09:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


mark polo wrote:
I gotta say, the software does seem to do a good job at the edges. Still, $200 is pretty steep. I made an IHP action that takes a second to run, then since I did it with a smart object, I can adjust the radii to taste after the fact and move right in working with the mask. If I'm pressed, I can do a "quick and dirty" IHP with some localized color balance adjustments in just a couple of minutes, which is never ideal, but I don't need to hand it off to a program that probably won't get me there any faster. Heck, you can even duplicate the layer, readjust the parameters and mask. Depending on how tough the stain is you need to get out, you can use as much or as little detergent as you need without blowing a couple of hundred bucks on something that works using the same principles. $200 is 20 months of photoshop smile

Care to post your action?

Sep 11 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tulack
Posts: 537
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Robert Randall wrote:
This is probably going to upset the beauty/glamour retouch crowd, but why in the world would you need a DVD tutorial on skin when you can get results like that with the push of a button.

Because it's bad quality. I never seen DVD how to retouch somebodies breast.

Sep 11 13 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Tulack wrote:

Because it's bad quality. I never seen DVD how to retouch somebodies breast.

What you're telling me is that I can't see, which I categorically deny!

Sep 11 13 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,919
Los Angeles, California, US


Raphael747 wrote:
Hi, i love this skin effect but im wondering how do i get this kind of effect ?
Maybe a gaussian effect but what else ?
any ideas ?

Thx

Raphaël

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltq2l … 1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltq2r … 1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2097 … 1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6zvy … 1_1280.jpg

1. hire amodel with good skin

2. shoot slightly out of focus or with a scratched lens

3. use a filter to give the "antique" look

Sep 11 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tulack
Posts: 537
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


There is nothing to see, it's like retouching leather couch. Just piece of skin. No dimension, no different texture, etc. Using it for the face, that is where the problem starts.
Sep 11 13 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Tulack wrote:
There is nothing to see, it's like retouching leather couch. Just piece of skin. No dimension, no different texture, etc. Using it for the face, that is where the problem starts.

The example given on their web site is a face, which is what prompted my comment. Admittedly, this is all being judged on web sites showing low resolution files. Allowing that almost all of the work put on display by the good citizens of MM, and other web sites like it, is low res, it seems like a perfect fit. I would love to see how it performs on full resolution files, but that could also be said of all the work I see displayed in here.

Sep 11 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Julian Marsalis
Posts: 1,191
Austin, Texas, US


Here's a video how Sean Armenta uses it in his workflow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDwExw1Fr_A
Sep 11 13 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PitchBlack
Posts: 71
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


@Robert Randall ... here's a link to my IHP Action with a smart layer. It's really nothing that you couldn't just make yourself with information readily available on this site and others.

*** I MAKE NO WARRANTY CLAIMS — USE AT YOUR OWN RISK ***

Just saying that to cover my ass. I'm not responsible if you use this thing and sent an ugly file to a client. It should work fine, but what the hell do I know. I'm just a bonobo with a camera.

Just select the layer you want IHP'd, click the action and go. It will even make your inverted mask. It will copy the layer and default to 30 for high pass and 10 for gaussian blur. Remember, high pass should be triple the blur value.

When changing the values, I always select to change the high pass first and the blur second. I don't know if it matters, but it seems the right thing to do.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/123zx6wenazl … kPQ/Action
Sep 11 13 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Here's a larger example. As before, preliminary healing of larger blemishes, then Portraiture.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1948/2keu.jpg

For busy photographers who can't spend six hours on one image, I suspect this is a welcome tool.
Sep 11 13 01:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Peano wrote:
Here's a larger example. As before, preliminary healing of larger blemishes, then Portraiture.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1948/2keu.jpg

For busy photographers who can't spend six hours on one image, I suspect this is a welcome tool.

In this example, you spotted out the 8 or so larger blemishes, and then ran the plugin... correct?

Sep 11 13 02:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


mark polo wrote:
@Robert Randall ... here's a link to my IHP Action with a smart layer. It's really nothing that you couldn't just make yourself with information readily available on this site and others.

*** I MAKE NO WARRANTY CLAIMS — USE AT YOUR OWN RISK ***

Just saying that to cover my ass. I'm not responsible if you use this thing and sent an ugly file to a client. It should work fine, but what the hell do I know. I'm just a bonobo with a camera.

Just select the layer you want IHP'd, click the action and go. It will even make your inverted mask. It will copy the layer and default to 30 for high pass and 10 for gaussian blur. Remember, high pass should be triple the blur value.

When changing the values, I always select to change the high pass first and the blur second. I don't know if it matters, but it seems the right thing to do.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/123zx6wenazl … kPQ/Action

Interesting... it worked but I'm too busy on a job right now to play with it. I'll get back to you in a bit. Thanks for the link!

Sep 11 13 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Robert Randall wrote:
In this example, you spotted out the 8 or so larger blemishes, and then ran the plugin... correct?

Correct. In the low-res sample on the Imagenomic site, they used only the plug-in, with no preliminary spotting. That's why it screams IHP. It requires very aggressive settings to get most of the larger blemishes.

If you spot first and know how to use the various sliders, it's possible to largely avoid that effect.

Sep 11 13 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ACPhotography
Posts: 8,621
Plainview, New York, US


Robert Randall wrote:

The example given on their web site is a face, which is what prompted my comment. Admittedly, this is all being judged on web sites showing low resolution files. Allowing that almost all of the work put on display by the good citizens of MM, and other web sites like it, is low res, it seems like a perfect fit. I would love to see how it performs on full resolution files, but that could also be said of all the work I see displayed in here.

Here's something for you to try... Use it between an HP and a LP layer and just mask in where it's needed...

Sep 11 13 03:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Peano wrote:

Correct. In the low-res sample on the Imagenomic site, they used only the plug-in, with no preliminary spotting. That's why it screams IHP. It requires very aggressive settings to get most of the larger blemishes.

If you spot first and know how to use the various sliders, it's possible to largely avoid that effect.

I suppose if I made my living touting the benefits of DB, along with an exclamation of how much time and artistry it took, I might be upset at the notion I could be replaced by something as simple to use as this plugin.

I'm beginning to understand the animus in here.

Sep 11 13 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Robert Randall wrote:
I suppose if I made my living touting the benefits of DB, along with an exclamation of how much time and artistry it took, I might be upset at the notion I could be replaced by something as simple to use as this plugin.

I'm beginning to understand the animus in here.

And Peano, he lay low.

Sep 11 13 04:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 3,104
Puyallup, Washington, US


Robert Randall wrote:
I suppose if I made my living touting the benefits of DB, along with an exclamation of how much time and artistry it took, I might be upset at the notion I could be replaced by something as simple to use as this plugin.

I'm beginning to understand the animus in here.

I'd recommend looking through the highpass sucks thread for the bandstop filter. It's my understanding that plug-in does pretty much the same thing so you could save yourself a couple hundred bucks if you plan to go down that route.

Sep 11 13 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Ruben Vasquez wrote:
I'd recommend looking through the highpass sucks thread for the bandstop filter. It's my understanding that plug-in does pretty much the same thing so you could save yourself a couple hundred bucks if you plan to go down that route.

I wasn't planning on buying it, I'm just amazed at the efficiency of it. My work flow is quite different from that of a beauty retoucher, but now I understand how they can work on an image for $5.00.

Sep 11 13 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


My new rep wants me to re-do a bunch of images that were worked on for the old reps web site. In the process of that exercise, I ran across an image that is perfect as a test for this plugin. So I downloaded the plugin, and realized that with an extra 5 minutes of masking work, I just saved myself about 4 hours of tedious pore busting.

I'm sorry all you beauty pixel pushers, but this thing is awesome!
Sep 12 13 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


lol, i don't know of a single official beauty retoucher that uses this stuff. But its true it's very popular in this forum and a couple of other sites.

correction: there is one retoucher I know who uses one of these types of techniques and as a result a lot of his recent images have a kinda soft in a filter way and now is unable to get serious clients he will come around though, I hope.
Sep 12 13 11:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


R G wrote:
lol, i don't know of a single official beauty retoucher that uses this stuff. But its true it's very popular in this forum and a couple of other sites.

correction: there is one retoucher I know who uses one of these types of techniques and as a result a lot of his recent images have a kinda soft in a filter way and now is unable to get serious clients he will come around though, I hope.

I guess I'll just have to call my clients and tell them I'm no longer officially serious.

Sep 12 13 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


Robert Randall wrote:
I guess I'll just have to call my clients and tell them I'm no longer officially serious.

No Randal I know your serious but your not a beauty retoucher using filters is what i mean, lol.

Hey, as long as your retaining your clients why not. right? I had a crazy experience one time when I did that on the arm of the model it was a high end job (perfume involved) and the senior retoucher spotted that so quick I was embarrassed, so crazy! lol. It wasn't even that much, low opacity!

Sep 12 13 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
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