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Photographer
ddtphoto
Posts: 2,382
Chicago, Illinois, US


I think it's inappropriate. I've never had a model change anything I game them with filters, etc... but I did have a couple crop the photo in ways I didn't like, mostly just because they had no business cropping them. I didn't bother complaining about it to them though, because these days I try not to sweat the small stuff.
Sep 10 13 07:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,341
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


Kely Suicide wrote:
Here's the thing, and sorry if I offend anyone. Most photographers think they're good retouchers, and they're just not. They installed Photoshop, watched a bunch of Youtube tutorials, and send the model a few pictures with various blur filters applied to her skin.

When I shoot with a photographer, unless I know he has a formal education in graphic design and retouching, I don't even want him editing my shots. I'd rather have him send me raw shots so I can either edit them myself, or send them to someone who can do a professional job. If it's a TF situation then he's free to edit his copies as he sees fit, bit so am I. You will rarely find a great photographer who is also a great retoucher, and that goes the other way too. Pick something, specialize in it, and let other people do what they do best. That's my opinion.

*facepalm*

Sep 10 13 07:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MR J Photography
Posts: 174
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


I have no problem with models retouching my images, most of them are better at Photoshop than me anyway. lol

As long as they don't claim the image as their work I really don't care what they do to it.
Sep 10 13 07:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,765
Los Angeles, California, US


Kely Suicide wrote:
Here's the thing, and sorry if I offend anyone. Most photographers think they're good retouchers, and they're just not. They installed Photoshop, watched a bunch of Youtube tutorials, and send the model a few pictures with various blur filters applied to her skin.

When I shoot with a photographer, unless I know he has a formal education in graphic design and retouching, I don't even want him editing my shots. I'd rather have him send me raw shots so I can either edit them myself, or send them to someone who can do a professional job. If it's a TF situation then he's free to edit his copies as he sees fit, bit so am I. You will rarely find a great photographer who is also a great retoucher, and that goes the other way too. Pick something, specialize in it, and let other people do what they do best. That's my opinion.

That's all very nice and perhaps you're hoping also that the photographers have their photoshop abilities and qualifications tattooed on their forehead so it is an easy read for you.

This may be too radical for you but some photographers don't need to heavily retouch and if they do it's to develop a look for the photo rather than fix it. A number of prominent photographers who never took any formal education in retouching are superb at it.

You may be working with inexperienced people, however, if you're working with a talent who is inexperienced you'll find that that talented photographer has ideas, and has figured out a lot of things, fast.

You cannot expect a talent just to hand over to you raw files so you can edit them too. The copyright belongs to the photographer. 

I have retouched for other photographers. For one I took a good photo and then panelbeat into very good and it took me about an hour and along the way I made about sixteen versions and I got the look finally, which has nothing to do with split toning. I did it so they would have something that attract good work.

I wonder if you know much about retouching? I don't claim to be very good at it. I just taught myself.. .. oh, sorry I forgot to take a class. But the MM forum for digital retouchers is good.

Sep 10 13 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
cwwmbm
Posts: 388
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


LA StarShooter wrote:

That's all very nice and perhaps you're hoping also that the photographers have their photoshop abilities and qualifications tattooed on their forehead so it is an easy read for you.

This may be too radical for you but some photographers don't need to heavily retouch and if they do it's to develop a look for the photo rather than fix it. A number of prominent photographers who never took any formal education in retouching are superb at it.

You may be working with inexperienced people, however, if you're working with a talent who is inexperienced you'll find that that talented photographer has ideas, and has figured out a lot of things, fast.

You cannot expect a talent just to hand over to you raw files so you can edit them too. The copyright belongs to the photographer. 

I have retouched for other photographers. For one I took a good photo and then panelbeat into very good and it took me about an hour and along the way I made about sixteen versions and I got the look finally, which has nothing to do with split toning. I did it so they would have something that attract good work.

I wonder if you know much about retouching? I don't claim to be very good at it. I just taught myself.. .. oh, sorry I forgot to take a class. But the MM forum for digital retouchers is good.

Knowing how to retouch is nothing if you don't have knowledge about what to do in one situation or another. MM forum lacks severely in that department.

I don't understand all the fuss about other people retouching your photos guys. Don't suck at retouching and everything will be fine. Or if you do - hire retouchers, there are plenty good ones here on MM.

Sep 11 13 12:01 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 1,798
Naperville, Illinois, US


I'm not going to make myself look bad... so I won't make you look bad.
I usually have more time than the photographer to work on photos of me.
I always ask a photographer if he approves of final edit before posting.

So why not let models help out in the editing? No shame in it. You can always say you don't want your name attached to the photo if you don't like it and the model does.
And give the model the raw so it will help in the editing.
If you got it pretty close in camera then it should come out great with min amount of work.
No shame in working together for a great product. Ask the model if she has editing skills and software...as well as interest.
She may not be interested in anything other than finished product.

Evolve!
Sep 11 13 02:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


If you want to edit photographs, buy a camera and take your own photos... or pay the photographer to provide images specifically for that purpose.

Retouching images provided as part of a tfp deal is the height of bad form. For reasons discussed here and in countless other posts. And looking at the responses, it's the same people saying the same things, so obviously all this discussion is pointless as none of us have altered our stance on the issue one iota.

If you think it's acceptable, then find someone to work with that thinks likewise. Otherwise don't do it.
Sep 11 13 02:52 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Reid
Posts: 3,857
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


cwwmbm wrote:

Knowing how to retouch is nothing if you don't have knowledge about what to do in one situation or another. MM forum lacks severely in that department.

I don't understand all the fuss about other people retouching your photos guys. Don't suck at retouching and everything will be fine. Or if you do - hire retouchers, there are plenty good ones here on MM.

+1

Bad retouching can make a potentially good photo a crap one with just a few clicks.

Sep 11 13 03:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Danielle Reid wrote:

+1

Bad retouching can make a potentially good photo a crap one with just a few clicks.

Exactly. The standard of 'retouch' work in the majority of model ports - where it is evident that images are self-processed - generally shows a remarkable lack of talent.

Hence photographers being unhappy about models retouching images without permission.

Applying an instagram preset or a crappy desaturation in Gimp is not 'retouching' - it's f*cking about with someone else's work. Images supplied as part of a tf agreement are not yours, you are merely being allowed to use them for promotional purposes by the photographer - unless your agreement specifies otherwise.

Sep 11 13 03:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The F-Stop
Posts: 1,436
New York, New York, US


My dream model. she can have all my pics to edit then. Who is she?.. I need that girl.
Sep 11 13 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,890
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


Delivering a professional service means getting all terms and conditions of the shoot right.  Commercial photography often involves another person editing and adding graphic design to your work.  Its not an ego thing, some people are just better at that aspect of the process.  Don't worry about it.

If you decide that others editing your work is still a threat to you, then just make sure you review all details and terms with the model before the shoot to make sure you both agree.  This avoids surprises and increases everyone's happiness.
Sep 11 13 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Loki Studio wrote:
Delivering a professional service means getting all terms and conditions of the shoot right.  Commercial photography often involves another person editing and adding graphic design to your work.  Its not an ego thing, some people are just better at that aspect of the process.  Don't worry about it.

If you decide that others editing your work is still a threat to you, then just make sure you review all details and terms with the model before the shoot to make sure you both agree.  This avoids surprises and increases everyone's happiness.

There's a world of difference between passing images from a commercial shoot to a professional retoucher - who will be working to either the photographer's or client's brief with regards the final look of the images - and letting the model play at retouching images from a tfp shoot.

Sep 11 13 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B The Image
Posts: 45
Grand Haven, Michigan, US


I'm no pro, and I know others edit much better then I can.  But with that, I'd be T'd if someone else was reworking what I have already done.  "Hands off, thats mine!"
Sep 12 13 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,321
Muncie, Indiana, US


I have never had to be told not to edit/retouch photos. I don't even crop without permission and frankly I ask someone else to do that for me because I lack the skills to do it and I don't want to mess it up. I think you need to be clear to models what they are allowed and not allowed to do. The same goes for where to post pics. Never assume they will have common sense and courtesy.
Sep 12 13 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,643
New York, New York, US


RingoJ66 wrote:
When you see a model post edited pictures of the finished ones you sent to her, do you feel like she's saying she didn't like your work? I have two models do this, and they they say they'd be glad to work with me again, I get insecure when I see edited work of mine. Honestly, their edits often look better than mines. No shame in this, I guess...

Yes, no shame.

I would try to better your Photoshop skills:)

Sep 12 13 03:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,643
New York, New York, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
There's a world of difference between passing images from a commercial shoot to a professional retoucher - who will be working to either the photographer's or client's brief with regards the final look of the images - and letting the model play at retouching images from a tfp shoot.

This.

Sometimes a model 'playing' is actually experienced in art and can figure out Photoshop.

I can, but I don't like to do the job.
Plus, I like images that have hardly any retouching, shot right.

Then again, I hardly do tf.

I'd never tinker with a photo without permission.

Sep 12 13 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ShotbyRon
Posts: 767
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


Just today I ran into this very issue. A girl I did photos for took one of the images and edited it herself. It looks horrible and makes me cringe. She did pay me for the session, and my watermark isn't on the image. So I didn't say much. But for any TF shoot I do, it's in the release and I verbally tell them that editing my photos isn't allowed.
Sep 12 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 5,981
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Agreement between both parties on this "retouching" issues wards off a lot of future problems.

Be sure to touch on that subject, include it in the agreement clause.

But nobody can really stop anybody from doing it.

The clause is just a deterrent.

.
Sep 12 13 06:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,348
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Caitin Bre wrote:
I'm not going to make myself look bad... so I won't make you look bad.
I usually have more time than the photographer to work on photos of me.
I always ask a photographer if he approves of final edit before posting.

So why not let models help out in the editing? No shame in it. You can always say you don't want your name attached to the photo if you don't like it and the model does.
And give the model the raw so it will help in the editing.
If you got it pretty close in camera then it should come out great with min amount of work.
No shame in working together for a great product. Ask the model if she has editing skills and software...as well as interest.
She may not be interested in anything other than finished product.

Evolve!

So it's been awhile and I'm just going to throw this out there Caitin -- which one of your images are you maintaining has very little photoshop work done to it?

I'm just curious.

Also did you ever post a before and after ( a raw and a finished edit so us lowly  photographers who have no idea how to retouch could learn what good retoucher's process is?

I think your idea of not attaching the photographer's name to the raw file is a genius idea -- does that happen often?

Also does MM keep logging anyone else back out or is it just me?

I have been in the hospital and have not logged in for the last week and all this weirdness keeps happening but maybe it's all the meds? IDK

Sep 12 13 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RingoJ66
Posts: 149
Los Angeles, California, US


Kely Suicide wrote:
Here's the thing, and sorry if I offend anyone. Most photographers think they're good retouchers, and they're just not. They installed Photoshop, watched a bunch of Youtube tutorials, and send the model a few pictures with various blur filters applied to her skin.

When I shoot with a photographer, unless I know he has a formal education in graphic design and retouching, I don't even want him editing my shots. I'd rather have him send me raw shots so I can either edit them myself, or send them to someone who can do a professional job. If it's a TF situation then he's free to edit his copies as he sees fit, bit so am I. You will rarely find a great photographer who is also a great retoucher, and that goes the other way too. Pick something, specialize in it, and let other people do what they do best. That's my opinion.

I use very little photoshop in my images. I only mess with the contrast and sharpness or to fix incorrectly exposed images or to add a little warmness, so I always do appreciate creativity coming from the models. I amazed at what this last model did with my images. I always shoot TFP anyways, so i can't be too picky. I'm here to practice and learn

Sep 12 13 11:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,516
Houston, Texas, US


Okay, this happens to me all the time. I have problems with my eyesight, use Paint Shop Pro instead of PS and normally do minimal editing.
Mostly I tweak contrast and brightness, clone out odds and ends that crept into the frame and occasionally sepia tone or vignette for a vintage look.

I have had many models edit mine, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worst. Here are 2 images from my Labor Day sshoot.:
18+ my edit:
18+  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33740063
The model's idea of how to make it better:
18+  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33764949

You all can judge the results. Many bodybuilders and physique models think they look better with higher contrast to emphasize veins and muscle separations.

Here is another couple examples:
My version, minimal edits:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130913/12/5233683219dcb_m.jpg
His edits:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130727/13/51f433eb7783e_m.jpg

Notice the veins are more prominent in his version.
I won't ask for critique but I prefer the more subtle look.... which is mine. :-)
Sep 13 13 12:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,348
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Stanley L Moore wrote:
Okay, this happens to me all the time. I have problems with my eyesight, use Paint Shop Pro instead of PS and normally do minimal editing.
Mostly I tweak contrast and brightness, clone out odds and ends that crept into the frame and occasionally sepia tone or vignette for a vintage look.

I have had many models edit mine, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worst. Here are 2 images from my Labor Day sshoot.:
18+ my edit:
18+  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33740063
The model's idea of how to make it better:
18+  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33764949

You all can judge the results. Many bodybuilders and physique models think they look better with higher contrast to emphasize veins and muscle separations.

Here is another couple examples:
My version, minimal edits:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130913/12/5233683219dcb_m.jpg
His edits:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130727/13/51f433eb7783e_m.jpg

Notice the veins are more prominent in his version.
I won't ask for critique but I prefer the more subtle look.... which is mine. :-)

I definitely prefer the more eh "subtle" look

Sep 13 13 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,516
Houston, Texas, US


Chicchowmein wrote:
I definitely prefer the more eh "subtle" look

I don't think you would get a female model doing this sort of thing. It would show every skin flaw and potential wrinkle. I think it would age a model to do this. But men like the contrasty look for some reason.

Sep 13 13 01:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
cinema photography
Posts: 4,347
Mission Viejo, California, US


Kely Suicide wrote:
When I shoot with a photographer, unless I know he has a formal education in graphic design and retouching, I don't even want him editing my shots.

"Your shots" rotflmao

They are neither yours nor yours to edit FYI. Sure if a shooter makes some bizarre agreement to let you edit them, groovy for you, but that way of thinking, that because you're the model that they are "your shots" just means you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to who owns what and why.

Sep 13 13 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
FlirtynFun Photography
Posts: 12,877
Houston, Texas, US


Here's the thing...if you're paying me enough money, I'll give you the RAW images and have my wife cook you dinner while you edit photos I took of you.

If you're NOT paying me money and you decide to run your hyperkool shadow/highlight/HDR/BarbieSkinsoft tool against images which I own the copyright to AFTER signing a model release which prohibits you from doing so...expect me to publicly admonish you, shred any evidence that we ever worked together and put you on a do not work list that all my friends, children, grandchildren and great greatgrandchildren will see. AND I'll pee in your cheerios.
Sep 13 13 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Jules NYC wrote:
This.

Sometimes a model 'playing' is actually experienced in art and can figure out Photoshop.

I can, but I don't like to do the job.
Plus, I like images that have hardly any retouching, shot right.

Then again, I hardly do tf.

I'd never tinker with a photo without permission.

I have no doubt that some models are highly proficient at retouching images (and some are not)... but that's not the point. As you quite rightly state. It's about permission.

As to it being 'shot right' that's another matter... when I expose a frame I know what process I have in mind for the finished image. Unless you're a mind reader, you don't.

Sep 13 13 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,643
New York, New York, US


RKD Photographic wrote:

I have no doubt that some models are highly proficient at retouching images (and some are not)... but that's not the point. As you quite rightly state. It's about permission.

As to it being 'shot right' that's another matter... when I expose a frame I know what process I have in mind for the finished image. Unless you're a mind reader, you don't.

I like how you put your self-portrait on your page.
You look interesting.

Sep 13 13 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos by Lorrin
Posts: 6,915
Eugene, Oregon, US


With some people,

No amount of explaining will affect them.

Its the internet.

How much time and effort do you want to spend getting them to do it your way - even if its the legal way.

I  do not have the energy to deal with most of them.

What is the internet life of a image in a port -  6 months maybe.
Sep 13 13 07:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
mophotoart
Posts: 536
Wichita, Kansas, US


ran into this....politely said no changes ....taken down , no harm done.... had request from some if they could play with an image, said yes if I could see it before it was used and approved of it....more models are getting into photoshop and behind the camera...I support that creative interest....if it doesn't hurt me, ok.....if it does, time to speak up..I can see where top photographers and copyright issues matter...not there so more easy going...  Mo
Sep 13 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,516
Houston, Texas, US


Presumably because of this thread I got a request from a retoucher who asked me for a few RAWs to practice on as he is doing a "muscle" shoot and wants to practice beforehand. I sent him some and will see how he does.
Sep 13 13 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 744
Corvallis, Oregon, US


So I am curious how many would mind, for images provided to a model on a TF basis that are to be used for her portfolio, if the model does nothing to the images EXCEPT for adding small black bars over the nipples to allow then to pass muster on her Facebook model page.

Yes, yes I know that asking permission and having the photographer do it would be better. A model I know related that a photographer she had worked with multiple times went ape-shit over that, and took down all of her previous images, etc. as punishment. While I thought a simple "hey, let me do it for you in the future" would have been a much more reasonable response.

Just wondering how many would get their panties in a bunch over that kind of "make work-safe" change.
Sep 13 13 10:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,348
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Stanley L Moore wrote:

I don't think you would get a female model doing this sort of thing. It would show every skin flaw and potential wrinkle. I think it would age a model to do this. But men like the contrasty look for some reason.

I don't really do TF except for editorials and the models are happy with the tearsheets

I also send over any of the extra shots I retouch for my blog or book -- I find the more professional the models are the easier they are to work with

but they are also mostly coming to me through the agencies so they know the deal.

smile

Sep 13 13 11:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,348
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Eye of the World wrote:
So I am curious how many would mind, for images provided to a model on a TF basis that are to be used for her portfolio, if the model does nothing to the images EXCEPT for adding small black bars over the nipples to allow then to pass muster on her Facebook model page.

Yes, yes I know that asking permission and having the photographer do it would be better. A model I know related that a photographer she had worked with multiple times went ape-shit over that, and took down all of her previous images, etc. as punishment. While I thought a simple "hey, let me do it for you in the future" would have been a much more reasonable response.

Just wondering how many would get their panties in a bunch over that kind of "make work-safe" change.

that's ridiculous IMO

Sometimes it's a control thing and people over react

Sep 13 13 11:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Eye of the World wrote:
So I am curious how many would mind, for images provided to a model on a TF basis that are to be used for her portfolio, if the model does nothing to the images EXCEPT for adding small black bars over the nipples to allow then to pass muster on her Facebook model page.

Yes, yes I know that asking permission and having the photographer do it would be better. A model I know related that a photographer she had worked with multiple times went ape-shit over that, and took down all of her previous images, etc. as punishment. While I thought a simple "hey, let me do it for you in the future" would have been a much more reasonable response.

Just wondering how many would get their panties in a bunch over that kind of "make work-safe" change.

I provide FB safe images with a bar across the nipples, as well as ensuring we shoot a couple of safe shots to begin with... all part of the service...

Sep 13 13 11:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Stanley L Moore wrote:
Okay, this happens to me all the time. I have problems with my eyesight, use Paint Shop Pro instead of PS and normally do minimal editing.
Mostly I tweak contrast and brightness, clone out odds and ends that crept into the frame and occasionally sepia tone or vignette for a vintage look.

I have had many models edit mine, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worst. Here are 2 images from my Labor Day sshoot.:
18+ my edit:
18+  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33740063
The model's idea of how to make it better:
18+  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33764949

You all can judge the results. Many bodybuilders and physique models think they look better with higher contrast to emphasize veins and muscle separations.

Here is another couple examples:
My version, minimal edits:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130913/12/5233683219dcb_m.jpg
His edits:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130727/13/51f433eb7783e_m.jpg

Notice the veins are more prominent in his version.
I won't ask for critique but I prefer the more subtle look.... which is mine. :-)

The bodybuilding shots are definitely a genre where the client's expectations should be accommodated imo...
I prefer the second image as it showcases the model's physique better, which presumably was his goal... Better if you'd offered different versions to begin with though...

Sep 14 13 12:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jon Barry
Posts: 200
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


ShotbyRon wrote:
Just today I ran into this very issue. A girl I did photos for took one of the images and edited it herself. It looks horrible and makes me cringe. She did pay me for the session, and my watermark isn't on the image. So I didn't say much. But for any TF shoot I do, it's in the release and I verbally tell them that editing my photos isn't allowed.

Here is the real problem with all of this. Why does anyone care. Everyone has a camera now, nobody pays anything to anyone unless there are nudes, and those photos are more about having a nude girl in your house than shooting them. Most of the photos...99%, are never used for anything. To me just be happy she used the picture for anything..so she has fun. It sure costs no one anything. Shoot more and get better at it.

Sep 16 13 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
varton
Posts: 2,264
New York, New York, US


RingoJ66 wrote:
When you see a model post edited pictures of the finished ones you sent to her, do you feel like she's saying she didn't like your work? I have two models do this, and they they say they'd be glad to work with me again, I get insecure when I see edited work of mine. Honestly, their edits often look better than mines. No shame in this, I guess...

I don't really care if a model (or anyone) is better in editing my work.
I just sent an electronic contact sheet of 500 pictures from our work for my model to see the whole shoot, upon request, as is, out of the camera and to let her choose what she likes and do whatever she wants to do with.
I am a photographer and my job is to provide properly focused, framed and exposed pictures. I am not a digital artist. I have a lot of respect for technology, retouchers and digital artists, but, at the end of the day, I am still the one who captured the picture, not them.
Don't let it get to you smile

Sep 16 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
sasweets
Posts: 404
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


I don't like editing what I didn't capture. I think of it like how I wouldn't want anyone to fix/edit my painting just because they didn't like it. They would have to drop some serious $$$ for me not to care so much.

*Plus the photographers I work with-- I actually like their style of shooting pictures. So I'm all good.
Sep 16 13 01:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TheStarvingArtist
Posts: 27
Jefferson City, Missouri, US


I spend a lot of time editing my work and have a fast turn around. It is clear with the model that there will be no editing and the photo must always be posted as is. If there is something the model isn't happy with I will fix it.
the case that someone said the model's edit was better than the work he sent her, if anything she did you a favor of not showing your bad work to the world.
Sep 16 13 02:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Flex Photography
Posts: 5,088
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada


It is specified in my TFCD shoot useage agreement, (not model release. That is simply her permission to use her likeness...period) that, as the photographer, I own the copyright to the images, and they understand/agree that they cannot alter what I supply to them to use, (not own) without my prior, separate agreement. They are for their portfolio & personal use (not ownership) only, not for direct financial gain. We agree to credit each other with the images. They have read, and I also read it to them, before they sign in agreement to those terms.

Over the years, I have had 2 models ignore that and over-photoshop things without my knowledge or permision.

The first time, I reminded her nicely about what she signed, and she willingly replaced "her versions" with my originals.

In the second case, a different model and her "manager", oversaturated and "enhanced" (badly) a couple of the shots and uploaded to a different site, without my knowledge/permission. I, again, nicely reminded her of what she signed & that she needed to take those 2 down. She did so, but then also took down all my shots of her from Mayhem & everywhere else, as well as any reference to having shot with me. So, she messed up, went against our agreement, without asking or informing me, yet she's pissed at me because she got caught! Go figure!

There is a misconception among some models that they own the shots, and can then do what they want with them!

I will add, that, to a small degree, Mayhem is now contributing to this, by "allowing' them to "crop" shots, any way they want, when uploading an avatar! This can give the models the impression that, if Mayhem says I can do it, on my own, then it must be OK all the time.
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