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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I'm looking for feedback on my retouching skills. In return, I may comment on your portfolio or profile, time and mood allowing.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33843100
Sep 12 13 03:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Charlie-CNP
Posts: 2,605
New York, New York, US


OP: honestly, not feeling it. Your layers are very soft/feathered/transparent to the point where this does not look like a composition, but a layering of color and shapes. What is it that you are attempting to accomplish with this piece?

Also, when you say gagged and imprisoned, it does not read that way. This image as a whole reads more along the lines of quickly done graffiti on a wall somewhere in an urban setting verses what you have described to me.

Check out Lynda.com though. There are some really great tutorials on there to learn about retouching. For starters, I would suggest checking out how to properly mask and work with layers which will help you a great deal. good luck
Sep 12 13 03:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Managing Light
Posts: 1,844
Salem, Virginia, US


Reviewing current events, I think you are really on your game.
Sep 12 13 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amelia Fae
Posts: 543
New York, New York, US


I feel like you can see a halo of color from the original background? It looks like a badly taken webcam image.

I would have used de-speckle or reduce noise and at the end added a high quality grunge texture if you wanted to keep a gritty look.

The lighting and contrast is really flat. Best to use some curves or some carving on her, even some rendering.

I like the other work in your portfolio a lot, but this just doesn't do you any justice.
Sep 12 13 09:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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RBM Photo
Posts: 557
Bellbrook, Ohio, US


Oh, for fucks sake.
Sep 12 13 09:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lee K
Posts: 2,411
Palatine, Illinois, US


What makes you think it's good?  Serious question.  What do you like about it?
Sep 12 13 10:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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nyk fury
Posts: 2,918
Port Townsend, Washington, US


haha, excellent!
Sep 12 13 11:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,211
Pelham, New York, US


I guess some are still butt-hurt
Sep 12 13 11:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Jeff Fiore wrote:
I guess some are still butt-hurt

Sometimes i get butt-hurt from laughing my ass off, but then I suppose it's always something we do to ourselves one way or another.

cheers, it's always a pleasure.

Sep 13 13 02:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


nyk fury wrote:
haha, excellent!
Sep 13 13 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Lee K wrote:
What makes you think it's good?  Serious question.  What do you like about it?

Technically not much but it is a heartfelt tribute to our brave lady of arts and culture who currently wastes away in a dank dungeon.

Sep 13 13 03:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Rik Williams
Posts: 3,339
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
I'm looking for feedback on my retouching skills. In return, I may comment on your portfolio or profile, time and mood allowing.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33843100

I love your stuff Jeffrey, it always appeals to my inner Freud and thus helps me to identify and in many ways, confront and or accept my inhibitions, but also strengthen any unrealised weaknesses within my mindset.

However, I'd also like to address the title of your thread.

I totally disagree with the locking down of Erlindas' original thread, I feel those who got butt hurt by her honest assessment and/or gave unsolicited critiques, should have been brigged instead. Those panzies need to grow a set of balls and accept the weakness in their work. I totally agreed with her assessment of the situation, this site is going soft and doing nothing more than catering to a bunch of unremarkable cry babies.

I'm drunk by the way.... Wooohooo! It's the weekend big_smile

Sep 13 13 03:13 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Rik,
It is up to us, her white knights, to defend our lady's honor. It is especially brave of you to come here, laboring under  the debilitating effects of alcohol and add to the defense of those sacred ideals she fought so bravely for.

Always good to here from you, hope it's a blast.
Sep 13 13 03:23 am  Link  Quote 
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Rik Williams
Posts: 3,339
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


RBM Photo wrote:
Oh, for fucks sake.

You must hear that a lot.

Sep 13 13 07:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,203
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Jeff Fiore wrote:
I guess some are still butt-hurt

Be careful!  It has become contagious on MM.

Sep 13 13 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
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GoldRoseMedia
Posts: 2,937
NORTH BRUNSWICK, New Jersey, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
It is up to us, her white knights, to defend our lady's honor.

roll At least you admit it.

http://www.prettypumps.com/images/mm-white-knight.png

Sep 13 13 07:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Rik Williams
Posts: 3,339
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Erlinda has positively roasted me in the past, but my photography improved significantly after recognition of the fact my work was once shit... Now it's just a little less shit, in part thanks to her blunt force critique method.
If that makes me a white knight, so be it.
Sep 13 13 08:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


s c i a t h wrote:
I feel like you can see a halo of color from the original background? It looks like a badly taken webcam image.

I would have used de-speckle or reduce noise and at the end added a high quality grunge texture if you wanted to keep a gritty look.

The lighting and contrast is really flat. Best to use some curves or some carving on her, even some rendering.

I like the other work in your portfolio a lot, but this just doesn't do you any justice.

Both your kindness and perceptiveness are noted, you are a true gentlewoman. It would have been fine to say that the image under consideration is atrocious. You see, it is ugly and thoughtless purposely as an analogy. Your fairness of speech and generosity in praising my other work shows a genuine generosity and positive attitude. I would only caution that you can believe your eyes and that, at times, there are advantages in responding forthrightly or even negatively to images that you see - the truth can be a harsh light but is ultimately a thing of beauty.

As for your work, I find the avatar eye-catching and consider it a good, unusual and notable effort in context. This is also excellent: http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33836603
both the choice to include something with minimal processing and because the two images on the right show you to be an attractive young woman. That and the fact that you are active in processing your images I see as strengths that you can develop.

Best of luck and my thanks fair lady.

Sep 13 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Managing Light wrote:
Reviewing current events, I think you are really on your game.

And I think you are all over the map, but often in a good way. There's a homespun quality to your work that I especially like and when you hit it right there's a naturalness to your best images that is impressive. That much experimentation and modesty carries it for me.

That signature thing sux though, both because it's there and the style of it.

My thanks and best wishes.

Sep 13 13 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


RBM Photo wrote:
Oh, for fucks sake.

and your about me section consists of: 21st century schizoid tog and dilettante of the retro-garde.
Sort of tending towards the catatonic state of that schizoid thing, or maybe you're just a man of few words. But dilettantism and frippery aside it's really too bad that Erlinda's not here. If she were she'd be able to offer some suggestions on your photography, and if you were a quick witted and ambitious lad you'd be able to make use of them. Instead you're stuck with the substitute teacher, me.
Now, what I can tell you, after looking at your portfolio and facebook page is that I'm not buying the whole schizoid dilettante thing. Technically, the work is too digital and clean. There is also a fairly large problem with the choice and/or direction of the models. All of which adds up to a problem with authenticity and the vision not being communicated very clearly.
There are certainly exceptions, such as this image:http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120102/20/4f02870022886.jpg
which I'd say is the most successful of the bunch. I'm not sure that you have any sort of reliable control over your use of that blurred effect though. Nor do I think it can compensate in all cases for the lighting choices which tend towards the overly harsh.
Lighting is still a big problem for you as is your use of models. I don't know if it's your model choices or direction but you're coming up with some stiff, stagey poses and a look of people not really fully invested in their role. Either get some better actresses or try to catch or construct an off-guard moment where something less self-conscious is occurring.

I don't want to be too critical because I like the level and breadth of experimentation you've gotten into and I think it will pay off. I'll close with a few random thoughts:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30507980 18+ Nice black and a palpable sense of menace. The vignette is strictly amateur hour and the tone , while sickly, is too easy a choice.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/27530572 18+ Thumbnail, this is awful but I like it better when I click on it and view it at the larger size, probably like it even better if it were cropped at the waist as it's the arrangement getting the body under the tree root that's bothersome. The face is where it really gets interesting.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/24569218 Good here, I think the bit of nose may be a mistake, try it without.

Sep 13 13 05:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Lee K wrote:
What makes you think it's good?  Serious question.  What do you like about it?

and Lee, you've a great bio.

Sep 13 13 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tom Linkens
Posts: 6,416
Lititz, Pennsylvania, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
Rik,
It is up to us, her white knights, to defend our lady's honor. It is especially brave of you to come here, laboring under  the debilitating effects of alcohol and add to the defense of those sacred ideals she fought so bravely for.

Always good to here from you, hope it's a blast.

I might question our White Knight status when she's standing on a castle wall in front of us, shouting "you're pigs! You're all pigs!".

http://youtu.be/eBNY1zgt6q4

Sep 13 13 05:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Tom Linkens wrote:

I might question our White Knight status when she's standing on a castle wall in front of us, shouting "you're pigs! You're all pigs!".

http://youtu.be/eBNY1zgt6q4

I must admit that I myself have heard immoderate speech from our lady and reactions certainly indicate that her words can have such magical powers as we see in the clip you provide. I've not seen the transformation myself however, only witnessed it's possible after effects.

Sep 13 13 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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The Signature Image
Posts: 12,055
Gorham, Maine, US


And the comments posted here are yet but another reason I do not request critiques.

Asking for a critique and then retaliating is just, wow...
Sep 13 13 06:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


The Signature Image wrote:
And the comments posted here are yet but another reason I do not request critiques.

Asking for a critique and then retaliating is just, wow...

Please feel free to stick around if you'd like to offer or receive a critique as stated clearly in the op "I'm looking for feedback on my retouching skills. In return, I may comment on your portfolio or profile, time and mood allowing."

If you're here for any other reason please feel free to leave as you're off topic.

Sep 13 13 06:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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TDSImages
Posts: 813
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


I'm not quite sure what you had in your mind's eye when you created this image, but if the final image is what you saw, then I say "well done!"  I say this because your work seems to be based more on concepts that tell a story.  Unlike glamour, fashion or other types of photography where a certain type of look/criteria has to be met in order for it to be deemed a "successful" image, your type of work has no right and no wrong.  It is how you see it regardless of what others may think.  So in this image, I see a halo around the models head, excessive noise, a half circle thingy on her shoulder, what looks to be light lines in her hair as well as some other things.  Were these intentional?  If so, then great, you achieved what you set out to do.  Were they unintentional?  If so, then you need to work on your photoshop skills till you can intentionally create what you want to create. 


And yes, I do like it as it tells a story.
Sep 13 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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RBM Photo
Posts: 557
Bellbrook, Ohio, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
Instead you're stuck with the substitute teacher, me.

I always liked it when the substitute teacher showed up. They could sometimes prove far more interesting and instructive than the regular class.

Sep 13 13 11:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


TDSImages wrote:
I'm not quite sure what you had in your mind's eye when you created this image, but if the final image is what you saw, then I say "well done!"  I say this because your work seems to be based more on concepts that tell a story.  Unlike glamour, fashion or other types of photography where a certain type of look/criteria has to be met in order for it to be deemed a "successful" image, your type of work has no right and no wrong.  It is how you see it regardless of what others may think.  So in this image, I see a halo around the models head, excessive noise, a half circle thingy on her shoulder, what looks to be light lines in her hair as well as some other things.  Were these intentional?  If so, then great, you achieved what you set out to do.  Were they unintentional?  If so, then you need to work on your photoshop skills till you can intentionally create what you want to create. 


And yes, I do like it as it tells a story.

As a test of photoshop proficiency the thing is an absolute failure. It's a topical, or pop piece, not something for the ages or anything I'll keep around as an example of what I do. There is a story and analogy to it, so it serves it's purpose.

You, on the other hand have some work in your portfolio that is new, and I think altogether more thoughtful, accomplished and lasting than my image under consideration. I'm especially impressed with the maternity images where you seem to have achieved a level of refinement and intimacy ideally suited to both the subject and the talents of your models. all presented in a minimalist and deceptively  casual manner. Idealized for sure, but you are a stylist in your work and I'm a sucker for that kind of view of pregnancy as an iconic and lovely time - the vision of what I wished it was the times I've participated in it in my life.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31088207

It's lovely, the only thing I can be hatin on with that is the typeset signature and date.

best of luck and best wishes

Sep 14 13 06:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


RBM Photo wrote:

I always liked it when the substitute teacher showed up. They could sometimes prove far more interesting and instructive than the regular class.

...and you are someone who is doing some very interesting things and working with some promising material. I want to take a moment here to be very clear that the image of yours that I posted earlier was posted as an example of a successful image and something done right. Beyond that, when I see that you've organized something like the institutional shoot I'm left with the assumption that you have both a good bit of ambition and vision and an ability, necessary for most successful photographers to act as a manager and organizer. So I think you're selling yourself short with that sort of Wildean ironic flippancy - you're trying more than at a casual level and I'm doubtful that you are in a social position as a forced closet case that homosexuals were back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Ambitious and personal, I'm interested in seeing how you progress with your work.

Sep 14 13 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 4,130
New York, New York, US


My 2 centavos...
I don't like the yellowish isolation of her head against the wall.
I don't feel the gagging in her expression.  It just looks like she just happened to stuff a nylon in her mouth.
Sep 14 13 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Angie_ Hair_ and Makeup
Posts: 49
Saint Cloud, Florida, US


retouching skills?

Well my opinion is that photo lacks the skill part  from a retouchers point of view. Overly done in my opinion is pretty awful

Sorry if it comes across as harsh.


Angie
www.angelaperez.portfoliobox.me
Sep 14 13 06:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Erlinda is in tears with a gag in her mouth but your technique is trying to add an aesthetic. The work in your port is far better. If you were one of my students, I would tear this apart, not for technique, and I can't even get you on concept, but I would so totally tear this apart for the treatment of that concept.
Sep 14 13 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 5,085
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Obviously your style is very different from mine, and I respect your style. Critiquing your retouching from my frame of reference (i.e., my style), would serve no purpose. I see artistic merit in the photo. So the real answer to the question of the efficacy of your retouching methods is to be found in the answer to the question of how well the finished photo represents the look that you visualized and set out to achieve.
Sep 14 13 07:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


I think it needs some cautiontape
Sep 14 13 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Rollo David Snook wrote:
Erlinda is in tears with a gag in her mouth but your technique is trying to add an aesthetic. The work in your port is far better. If you were one of my students, I would tear this apart, not for technique, and I can't even get you on concept, but I would so totally tear this apart for the treatment of that concept.

Perceptive and pointed, you've a clear view and an ability to express yourself. You are correct on all counts. I think, if I were your student I could benefit from the experience, thank you.

I should mention that you are the first to notice the tears on our lady, Erlinda's face. I want to state that they are not there because of her mistreatments in the MM dungeons but because her brave defense of art and culture was silenced in such an untimely manner.

Sep 14 13 07:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:
I think it needs some cautiontape

Well, it is cautionary.

Sep 14 13 07:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:

Well, it is cautionary.

you should certainly proceed with caution

Sep 14 13 09:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Angie_ Hair_ and Makeup wrote:
retouching skills?

Well my opinion is that photo lacks the skill part  from a retouchers point of view. Overly done in my opinion is pretty awful

Sorry if it comes across as harsh.


Angie
www.angelaperez.portfoliobox.me

No, it comes across as someone who can see clearly what they are looking at. I thank you for both your time and honesty.

Sep 14 13 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,333
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:

you should certainly proceed with caution

My faults are so often that I am overly cautious.

I should mention that your posts and thoughts and watching how you progress with your career as a model has been a bright spot of my time here.

Sep 14 13 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Mark C Smith
Posts: 768
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Honestly, ESPECIALLY in comparison to the other pieces in your portfolio (awesome work throughout) it's garbage.
Sep 14 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
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